04-01-2002, 10:27 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 102
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i second all your points, Marc. the decline in manners is most appalling. people are obsessed with themselves.
enough of the all too prevelant 'me-me' attitude, please, and more consideration as to how ones acts and activities impact on others.
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04-01-2002, 12:53 PM
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Neophyte
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 8
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I think if its clearly stated outside the building that inside mobile reception is impossible then its a good thing.
but people should be warned before entering a mobile jammed zone.
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04-01-2002, 05:46 PM
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Magi
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 2,341
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I would like to tell a couple of stories that explain why I think we should be a little tolerant of this issue. Niether have anything to do with the church. Sorry if I led anyone to believe so previously. It was my mistake.
Someone asked what people did years ago before cellphone and pagers were widely used. Well, they stayed put.
My wife is a nurse and 20 years ago before cellphone would fit in your pocket she worked at Sick Kids Hospital in Toronto, one of the best childrens hospitals in the world. What did parents do when their kids were there, nothing, they spent their time at the hospital or somewhere like Ronald McDonald house, so they could be reached at a moments notice. Some of those stories had happy endings, many did not. Many marriages broke up from all the pressures. Imagine being one of those parents today and your doctor says"why don't the two of you get away from all this for a couple of hours. Go watch a movie or something. We will call you if anything happens" Imagine the relief you must feel being able to do this. So when a cellphone goes off in a theater it could be someone getting the worst piece of news they will ever get. For others in the theater the worst thing that happened in their day was someones cellphone went of when they were watching a movie.
Second story.... I year and three weeks ago both my parents died. Two days and 300 miles apart. It was impossible for me to be in both places at once. My sister was with my mother and I was with my father. As that week unfolded it became apparent that that there was only one way to communicate... by cellphone. We tried setting up times we would call so we could each leave the hospital and call. That did not work. I asked the hospital staff if I could leave my cellphone on. Since there was no electronic equipment in the area they saw no problem. If I recieved a call to walk to the end of the hall, out fo the way to taKe it. When the call came that my mother died a vistor to the hospital decided to pick that same moment to chew me out for using my cellphone. When I explained (not very nicely) the situation to her she turned about as white as a person can. I think she felt as rough as I did at that moment. She had no idea and felt so bad for acting the way she did over something that appeared so trivial.
I agree that all cellphone should have vibrating batterries, and I too think that most people who leave their phones on where they shouldn't are very rude. I also think that we should not all have to pay the price of the actions of the stupid and rude amongst us.
Dave
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04-01-2002, 07:39 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 251
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automatic geographic rule-enforcing society? let me out...
I agree with Paragon.
Cell phones are certainly not absolutely needed, and we know this because people have been around much longer than cell phones, and they got along acceptibly well without them. However, I do not say this to imply that we should revert to not having them.
The fact that we can have cell phones is reason enough to allow them to better our lives, as they did for Paragon (hopefully).
I find a pager, watch alarm, phone, automobile horn, etc equally annoying, but see no reason to advance technology so that these can be forcibly silenced in geographical areas because the owners are disrespectful. It just happens to be "easy" for cell phones to be silenced because they are RF devices that can be jammed. Perhaps someday a bluetooth-type technology will be friendly to all devices and can automatically notify users that their devices should be quiet, but until such convenience exists for all types of noise-makers, its the person that needs self-control and respect, not some automatic rule-enforcing device installed anywhere they may go (I don't want to live there). We all believe we have rights, but we all agree to live among those that make poor choices. That covers a broad range of social issues.
I hope that church in the article is required to post their RF jammer activities, and to ensure they don't go beyond their property borders.
I ususally turn off my phone in the movie theater, but on occasion when I may get a call related to my 2 year-old daughter, I set it on silent and quietly answer indicating I will start talking when outside the theater (I strategically sit near the exit where I won't disturb others by leaving, at least not any more than the guy going for popcorn). I have the highest regards for those that display respect in this or any similar manner, AND show tolerance toward those that annoy.
m.
ps- sorry for the long post, but if you don't like them, then you are reading the wrong thread. 
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04-01-2002, 11:48 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 153
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Originally Posted by Tari Akpodiete
you don't have a right to have a cell phone surgically attached
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Actually, I do have the RIGHT to have a cell phone surgically attached (if I can find a doctor to do so), but I have a RESPONSIBILITY to others in exercising my right.
It is my RIGHT to have a phone with me at all times.
It is my RESPONSIBILITY to turn it off or set it on vibrate when it is inappropriate to have it ring.
It is my RESPONSIBILITY (both to others around me and the caller) not to answer if it is inappropriate or unsafe to talk.
I even consider it my RESPONSIBILITY to pull over and call 911 if I have witnessed an injury accident.
Too many people today demand their RIGHTS without considering their RESPONSIBILITIES. It doesn't apply only to cell phones. (Think about driving...the RIGHT to drive vs. the RESPONSIBILITY to drive safely)
Just my 2 cents, your mileage may vary.
-Jim
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04-02-2002, 12:49 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 102
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jmulder
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Originally Posted by Tari Akpodiete
you don't have a right to have a cell phone surgically attached
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Actually, I do have the RIGHT to have a cell phone surgically attached (if I can find a doctor to do so), but I have a RESPONSIBILITY to others in exercising my right.
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good one, jmulder! i must remember to word things more carefully in the future. and if one can't find a willing surgeon, well, there is always 'krazy glue'.
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04-02-2002, 05:52 AM
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Magi
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,386
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I agree with Paragon.
I think a lot of us are getting caught up in this "me, me" argument and the "tech toys are so important" argument.
Sure, a lot of us love tech toys because we love riding on the bleeding edge of technology, but the fact is that on a broader scale, technology allows us greater flexibility in life, and in some cases become a necessary part of living.
Someone may state, "well, we got along just fine without them... why do we suddenly do we need them?". Well, then you have to apply that argument to all technology. Centuries ago, we didn't have transportation vehicles that could take us great distances in a short time or even telephones (let alone cellphones) that allowed us to communicate with people long distances away.
Sure, you can make an argument that motor vehicles and regular phones are not essential as well, but tell that to a person that needs to dial 911 to request paramedic services.
With that said, I agree that MOST people don't NEED to have their cellphones with them and they don't NEED to have them on at all times, but let's stop thinking of cellphones as "gadgets" for a moment and remember that their true function is communication, which for some people can be absolutely essential given the circumstances.
Just my $0.02.
Ekkie
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04-03-2002, 09:03 PM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 1,329
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Um when did it become illegal to block a signal on your own property? Sure I know there are laws that the FCC has put in place for devices creating interference. Hence the reason if you look on the back or your Pocket PC you have a device class. But this is totally diff. For that matter when did it become a god given right to get a cell phone call? Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Oops I guess you can't be happy if you can't be contacted off of a land line. :roll: Hey! :idea: Everyone lets make a constitutional amendment to the bill of rights that says everyone has the right to have a cell phone, use it anywhere they want, and screw the people around you. Everyone loves to keep throwing that word around. Its my right. I have the right. You don't have the right. HEH. It appears that since the time this country was formed what rights a person/s should and shouldn't have, have become distorted. The RIGHTS we are talking about here are pathetic. The right to use a cell phone anywhere you want. That ranks up there with abolishing slavery, roe vs wade, et al. :roll:
Look. A property owner should be able to do whatever he/she wants with their property. Hence the reason they call it an OWNER. This IS a legit RIGHT. And if they want to block a signal then so be it. However they should be forced to put up signage that says just that. So the person entering that area has the "RIGHT" to make a choice. Enter and not receive a phone call or stay out and receive that all important call. That person's rights are still very much intact. The difference is that he/she has to make a *gasp* choice on what is more important. Ever hear of the phrase you can't have your cake and eat it too? Seems as if the majority of American. Heck the world! Want just that.
In the end I think this is going to end up like smoking and nonsmoking sections. Excuse me sir I would like to sit in the non cell phone section tonight.
PS- Here's a question. How is cell phone usage treated around the globe? Is it more accepted (Read: You don't get stares from people in stores.) in certain places then in others? It seems like here in the US there is a distinct divide. Where there are people who are perfectly comfortable with using a cell anywhere they go and others that loath cell phones altogether.  Personally I'm a happy middle. If you aren't bugging me or holding me up (Use to be a cashier at Blockbuster, F-ing customers on the phone while they try and make a transaction!!! GRRRR) then live and let live
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