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Old 09-09-2009, 11:13 PM
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The whole 1.5million apps really isn't that big of a statement, being as only a handfull of those apps are worth a crap.
Are you referring to the 1.8 billion apps downloaded? There are 75,000 applications in their catalog right now. Not 1.5 million, but a healthy number. As for the quality of the apps, and I can't believe I'm defending Apple here, but it's not all fart apps. There are some really great apps in there - sure, lots of crappy apps, but when I can pick up my iPod Touch and in 30 seconds have bought and downloaded an app for tracking stuff with my new baby boy, that's impressive. The App Store is no joke.

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They also missed the mark by not putting a camera on the Touch, BIG mistake IMO.
Agreed - but if you put a camera and a microphone on the iPod Touch, it's going to be turned into a VOIP/Webcam device, and I think Apple is afraid it will hurt iPhone sales.
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:34 PM
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Agreed - but if you put a camera and a microphone on the iPod Touch, it's going to be turned into a VOIP/Webcam device, and I think Apple is afraid it will hurt iPhone sales.
Actually if Apple were really afraid of that, they would not have included WiFi. VOIP is already possible (jailbroken) on the 'Touches. I expect Apple to add video to them in the near future. I agree that the event was a snoozer but I'm really surprised that Jobs used it to make his first public appearance. I would have thought he waits until the tablet is announced but perhaps the board felt it necessary. The iTunes store makeover is not an extreme one. I've seen screenshots of the Zune Marketplace but I'm not making the connection you are ?
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Old 09-09-2009, 11:52 PM
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Actually if Apple were really afraid of that, they would not have included WiFi. VOIP is already possible (jailbroken) on the 'Touches.
The number of jailbroken iPod Touch units can't be that significant - I doubt it even registers on Apple's radar. Not including WiFi isn't an option - but you can see Apple wiggling around on why they have concerns with VOIP apps:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/apple-a...fcc-questions/

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I've seen screenshots of the Zune Marketplace but I'm not making the connection you are ?
I'm not the only one - check out the live coverage. More than a few people thought "Zune" when it was shown.
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Old 09-10-2009, 02:16 AM
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The ability to sync music/videos from one PC to another is neat, but Apple is still focused on a peer to peer system and is ignoring users who want to centralize their media content (NAS drive, Windows Home Server, etc.). I wonder if
iTunes 9 will finally monitor music folders?


Folder monitoring accomplishes several things, and it's still not available in iTunes, but it's not just centralized storage. To your specific concern of central storage:

1. You can place a music library on a NAS/server/peripheral device, and then simply change the default library location to the address of this directory on any and/or all PCs on the network. Centralization problem solved.

2. With Bonjour on, you have access to all local network libraries anyway: centralization through decentralization. (And you could still opt to have a networked accessible centralized library too!)

*3. Throw in SimplifyMedia (and for special fun, if you can, Mojo), and you're money!

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Old 09-10-2009, 02:47 AM
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Personally I glad the annoucements are done and over. As far fetched as it may be I believe that there may be a chance that MS was holding some HD goodness back to see what Apple would do.

Its probably not likely, but a man can dream.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:08 AM
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The camera on the iPod Nano is kind of neat, but HD is all the rage now - so is VGA video really going to be that useful?
All the rage? How so? Are we seeing it put in several devices this summer/winter? Yes. Is it a rage in that consumers are demanding it? I don't see it yet. Home TV/theatre: yes. Recording, distribution, and playback on small devices or docked devices: Not seeing much demand and not seeing it being the determining factor in purchase choice even when it is available. I imagine quite a few will be seduced and could regret it when they start choking their device's capacity or try to upload... (wait, the Zune doesn't have a camera so it won't be uploading video to social networks anyway) ...download a purchase or sync in a rush. And a very small group that understands it, demands it, and can deal with its effect on capacity, network activity, and battery life -- but only a very, very small group -- not a raging hoard.

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The good news here is that by eliminating the 16 GB iPod Touch, Apple is forcing people to make a $100 price jump, and at retail that's a huge jump. 16 GB is enough storage for a lot of people, so the Zune HD has an opportunity to steal sales from people who want more than 8 GB, but aren't willing to spend $299.
This is Apple's gambit that its lead in apps, ubiquity, Store, etc... justifies the $80 price difference. Even if Zune sales increase a thousand fold, that only takes 10% of the market away from Apple.. for ONE specific device at ONE specific price point.

Of course, still having a very-low-end (shuffle) and low-end-but-pretty-amazingly-featured (nano), and mid-range-high capacity offering (classic) means that Apple still dominates at essentially every price point (and, yes, will nudge many customers into either a cheaper model (8GB touches are gonna sell! Maybe surpass nanos.) and also quite a few into a more expensive, upsell device). (And I didn't even mention the iPhone itself.) And...

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I'm really surprised that Apple can do a 64 GB iPod Touch for $399, but I guess with their massive purchasing power on Flash memory they can do what no one else can do.
It's not just that they are the single largest consumer of Flash. That higher price point 32GB has a nice margin that is feeding the 64GB model. Again, the 8GB is going to sell! For all the people that want 240GB, there are 10x many people who will say: "for $20 cheaper, I can live with the 8GB touch, with all of the advantages of the touch, over the HD."

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Sure, the 32 GB and 64 GB versions are faster (welcome to the world of platform fragmentation Apple!), but still no microphone, no camera, same screen resolution, no HD anything?
Bet half the Zune owners upset by the abandonment of the 120 would have compromised with a 64GB Zune HD but now... maybe have to seek an alternative or wait a few months.

As for fragmentation, the sum of the iPod line has embraced fragmentation for quite a while. Pointing out iPhone/iPod touch fragmentation is silly in comparison to Microsoft's mobile strategy of supporting every device price point and form factor.

Even when it came to music player fragmentation, Microsoft managed three years of a device that only evolved generationally by two years... six years after the device had been introduced and 2 years after several platform/form factors had stabilized (Remember when 1.8" HDDs were a hot market? You know, even after 60% of all iPods were already Flash, but the stock prices of HDD manufacturers fluctuated on 1.8" HDD announcements? Now Apple is one of the only buyers.) And as soon as the first wave of real hardware fragmentation (when they couldn't just look and see what others had already done before them) hit the Zune team, Microsoft abandoned all other models rather than support the one to three year old devices.

So we'll see who does the better job of managing fragmentation. Fragmentation has to be embraced rather than scorned or mocked or feared if you want to move forward technologically -- you also have to compromise and backport when possible as a supplier and compromise and give up on some features as a consumer who may not upgrade with each new release.

Microsoft has a tiny and not really great history here (if only looking at music players) and a horrible strategy that stagnates growth looking towards the future (WinMo + Zune/XBox Marketplace strategy). What was it? Four, five feature updates? That justifies abandoning two devices, two and three years old at most, in their entirety? Just because you can't backport a couple of hardware features?

Also, I think I'll know if an app needs a video camera or not.

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I don't know what the numbers are, but given the way Apple ignores the Classic (hell, even the name tells you that...) I don't think they're big sellers. It seems like Apple is keeping it around to keep some people happy, but are there a lot of those people? I'm not so sure...
Apple sold more than 22 million iPods last Christmas quarter. If the classic was 5% of that (maybe, probably not, but not far off either), in one quarter classic sales are in the range of all Zunes annually. Repeat: all Zunes annually. In one quarter. From an antiquated component that yields high margins. Keeping people happy or keep making money?

As for the naming (which I don't think matters to Apple's strategy beyond basic marketing), just imagine in two years or so, a decade after the first iPod, as Apple is fazing out classics and maybe other models, but celebrating the birthday of their iPod and... The iPod touch simply becomes the iPod. Can we be certain that Microsoft is still making a hardware device called the Zune for the holiday season 2012?

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The Zune software should work OK with Windows 7. I imagine Apple will have Windows 7 compatibility working OK by October when Windows 7 officially comes out.
Not only is iTunes 9 compatible with Windows7, it's faster, and supports new Windows7 features like the jumplists in the Task Bar; they just are not advertisizing compatibility with an OS that is not widely available on the consumer market yet.

Just some perspective.

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Old 09-10-2009, 06:50 AM
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Just some perspective.
Heh. Wow. Perspective indeed. I think I'll just say thanks for sharing your many thoughts and leave it at that. I will say though that if you look around the Web at other reactions to the Apple announcements today, you'll find many far more negative about it then I was.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:05 AM
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Talking HD has the edge

I think if Microsoft integrates X Box Live Arcade games into the HD, it will pull customers away from the iPod. The power of the Tegra kicks the Apple's butt. Also, if Microsoft had a decent selections of Apps, you will finally see competition for apple.
 
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