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Old 01-27-2009, 04:00 AM
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Default Bill Introduced To Require Camera Phones Make Noise When Snapping Pictures

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"Camera Phone Predator Alert Act - Requires any mobile phone containing a digital camera to sound a tone whenever a photograph is taken with the camera's phone. Prohibits such a phone from being equipped with a means of disabling or silencing the tone. Treats the requirement as a consumer product safety standard and requires enforcement by the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC)."

Why don't you have a seat right over there?

I can understand what this law is trying to accomplish. I suspect there are lots of sex offenders that get images of their prey covertly by snapping pics from their silenced cell phone camera. Initially I thought people would just find another way to do the same thing, and to be sure, some will be determined enough to do so, but not everyone would be willing to carry a separate digital camera that could be silenced in the settings. I don't really see the harm this bill could cause. Will it stop everyone? Certainly not, but it may stop a few. I don't give a lot of marks to sexual predators for being too high up on the intelligence scale, and it may be just enough to prevent some meaningful percentage of secret pics being taken.

I suspect for some phone makers, this would be harder to implement than you might think. The speaker settings are universal. Once you mute the speaker on the phone itself, no app can make noise. You'd have to rewrite the driver to allow an exception for the phone's camera. I think it would be worth it though. It would take a few years for existing phones to cycle out of use to be replaced by new ones.

The bill was introduced in the US House of Representatives on January 9, 2009. I have no idea how long it will stay there before it has a chance to get voted on.

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Old 01-27-2009, 05:04 AM
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Dumbest bill ever. I can take a silent photo with a camera but not a camera phone? Just because my device has a cellular radio it must be noisy when it takes a picture? Exactly what congress should be focusing on right now.
 
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Old 01-27-2009, 05:40 AM
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Dumbest bill ever. I can take a silent photo with a camera but not a camera phone? Just because my device has a cellular radio it must be noisy when it takes a picture? Exactly what congress should be focusing on right now.
Yeah, but it is "feel good" bill! And that's what you'll get or the next 4 years
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Old 01-27-2009, 06:34 AM
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I remember this was a big deal when I moved to Portland in 2001 as they were having a record number of reports of kids snapping pictures of other kids changing in the locker rooms. A few years ago a story similar to this was making the rounds again. I'm sure in a few more years this will pop up once again.
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Old 01-27-2009, 08:30 AM
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This is just nutty. While I can understand the sentiment, the idea that U.S. lawmakers want to tell international camera and phone manufacturers to insert a "noise" when the shutter goes off is silly. Any perv will simply buy a camera in another country where the U.S. "noise" is not built-in.

Now if these lawmakers could just focus on the real problems facing the country...
 
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Old 01-27-2009, 11:37 AM
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So let me ask you a question with a few assumptions.
  • First of all, we know this is a problem, whether it is teens sneaking pics of other teens in locker/changing rooms or pervs using them in public restrooms
  • It is understood that no law will stop anything, but perhaps only mitigate it and make it easier to prosecute an offender. If you never knew a pic was taken, hard to identify the person who took it, but if you at least heard the click and turned and saw who was snapping the shot, there is a fighting chance of identification.
  • Japan and South Korea, at least, already have such legistlation in place.
So, how would those of you that find this silly and nothing more than a "feel good" bill attack this problem? Just one idea that may prevent nude/semi-nude pics of your pre-teen daughter from making it up on MySpace pages without her knowledge, or pics of your 7 yr old boy going to the bathroom being shared on a child porn site.

And don't forget, you are allowed to have legislation be part of your answer if you want. That is the reason for a great deal of laws - to protect people from those who would do you harm. Doesn't have to be part of your answer, but it could be.
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:07 PM
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Dumbest bill ever. I can take a silent photo with a camera but not a camera phone? Just because my device has a cellular radio it must be noisy when it takes a picture? Exactly what congress should be focusing on right now.
If someone is holding a camera, you know that they're taking a photo. It's easy enough to pretend to be doing something else whilst taking a photo with a phone.

I believe this is already law in a lot of European countries. It shouldn't be hard for any of the big manufacturers to implement in the US.
 
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:27 PM
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Ed, my answer would really upset many teenagers, but I think cell phones should be completely banned in K-12.
 
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Old 01-27-2009, 01:37 PM
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Ed, my answer would really upset many teenagers, but I think cell phones should be completely banned in K-12.
In school settings (during class) - I'd agree, but other places? We don't have a land line, so we all have cell phones. It is an invaluable way for parents to keep in touch with their kids, especially teenagers. There were a number of times as a teen I had to find a payphone to call my parents in particular situations. I am thankful my kids will never have to do that - they can just call me wherever they are.
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Old 01-27-2009, 02:18 PM
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Reminds me of a requirement some one was trying to get enforced a few years back where they wanted all camera phones to flash a light when a picture was taken. Don't know what ever happened with that one, but a light would have been highly ineffective in daylight or when covered by duct tape.
 
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