11-28-2004, 07:00 PM
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Swami
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Use of Embedded Camera Lands Man in Jail
"A man has been given a six-month custodial sentence for taking photos in court with his mobile phone. Shaun Nash, 19, also used the phone to take video footage while sitting in the public gallery during a robbery trial at Bristol Crown Court. Nash, of Wilinton Road, Knowle West, pleaded guilty to contempt of court. Sentencing Nash, Judge Michael Roach said: "What you did was extremely serious. The public need to know that mobile phones cannot be used in court.""
And folks ask why embedded camera could cause problems. ;-) This is exactly the soft of thing that is causing a backlash against embedded cameras. I was shopping for a new mobile phone and contract this weekend and the number of phones with Bluetooth and without an embedded camera, was exactly 0. Choice? I�m sure they�ve heard of it. Two German Mobile Telcos seem to spotted a gap in the market, but that does not help the rest of us who don't live in Germany. :? Four out of the seven new VGA PPCs have a camera, which is a very bad trend. All I am asking for is the opportunity to have a phone and Pocket PC without a camera. As they would be lighter, cheaper and smaller, why is that such a hard thing?
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11-28-2004, 07:45 PM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Jul 2003
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I take your point about wanting the choice of not having a camera - but this story doesn't support your thesis.
Firstly - this person was in trouble for using his camera - not simply having it.
Secondly - he was in trouble for mobile phone use full stop. Taking pictures, texting or making a call would all have led to the same charge.
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11-28-2004, 08:25 PM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Mar 2004
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I have NEVER seen someone whine as much as you do about embedded Camera�s.
Even in threads that have nothing to do with em you enter to complain about a camera being integrated in a device you had no itentions of purchasing to begin with.
What Ed is to Palm you seem to be to embedded camera�s.
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11-28-2004, 08:37 PM
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Mystic
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Duncan
I take your point about wanting the choice of not having a camera - but this story doesn't support your thesis.
Firstly - this person was in trouble for using his camera - not simply having it.
Secondly - he was in trouble for mobile phone use full stop. Taking pictures, texting or making a call would all have led to the same charge.
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11-28-2004, 09:12 PM
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Mystic
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Well I'm 100% on the anti phone side.
Over half of my customers are either electronic or defense companies (some are both) and cameras are simply not allowed. What's the point of going to a meeting and having to leave all my information in the car, or at the security desk.
At least 2 or 3 times a week, my bags are searched, looking for recording or camera devices, so such a hting would be useless for me.
In any case, cameras on phones or PDAs are crap. If you want to take photos, might I suggest asking santa for a camera 
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David
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11-28-2004, 09:36 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2004
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I'm confused, you complain there is no choice but by your own statement 3 of 7 new PPC offerings, or just under half, don't have an imbedded camera. Sounds like choice to me.....
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11-28-2004, 09:38 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Jul 2003
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A simple solution to your problem would be to use a black tape and tape the camera shut. Infact, if you really hate that camera, you can use a drill, and break that camera out of the phone. However, the oppsite can not be done to phones that do not have a camera. You can't simply tape a camera to a phone and expect it to be a camera phone all the sudden. I rather go with the camera phone, and remove it if I really hate the camera.
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11-28-2004, 09:52 PM
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Neophyte
Join Date: Nov 2004
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One advantage of a camera phone
I got myself a new phone right when I wanted/needed Bluetooth connectivity. It came with a camera that I didn't need but didn't mind.
I have a six month old son. Lately I've come to the conclusion that there are moments when you say to yourself "if I just had a camera this instant" and then it becomes obvious what the camera phone is meant to do. Sure the pictures are crappy but no relative on this planet cares about quality when you have the cutest picture of your son being fed vegetables instead of milk.
Sure they're a security and privacy hazard, but sometimes they're just handy.
I haven't seen a Bluetooth digital camera for that matter, apart from my Sony DV camera for which I never saw any use for the Bluetooth functionality in there.
But I concur. There should be more options. But bluetooth it mostly bought by people who either really need it (and don't care about the extras and are willing to pay whatever the cost) or gadget freaks. Everyone else goes "blue-what?".
Good night.
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11-28-2004, 10:02 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Aug 2006
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I'm with Jonathon on this one, mobile phone companies want them on phones for the income they expect to gain from all the MMS messages. O2 charge me the equivalent of 4 SMS for one MMS sent. Also the US doesnt buy into the whole SMS craze as much as us Europeans have and maybe this doesnt affect them as much as us.
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11-28-2004, 10:16 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 130
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Originally Posted by Fishie
I have NEVER seen someone whine as much as you do about embedded Camera�s.
Even in threads that have nothing to do with em you enter to complain about a camera being integrated in a device you had no itentions of purchasing to begin with.
What Ed is to Palm you seem to be to embedded camera�s.
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No... In Jonathon's defense.... I AM the one who's the most outspoken against phones in PPC's and Phones and constantly comments against them. For me, it's a limitation on making a living. If I don't have my phone, I can't talk to clients. If I don't have my PPC I don't have my appointments or contacts. Most of my clients ban phones and PPCs with cameras to the extent that they don't allow anyone (employees, visitors, contractors.... no one) to get past security without visually inspecting all devices for cameras.... any that do go back to the car or stay at the security desk.
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