04-07-2004, 01:00 AM
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Swami
Join Date: Feb 2004
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So, These are the Smartphones that will Kill PDAs?
The Inquirere and the Register have articles up about smartphones. I�ll let the titles speak for themselves: "Smartphones are rubbish, survey says" and "Smartphones not up to scratch: official".
There�s been a fair bit of talk about how smatphones were going to decimate sales of PDAs, but it looks like things aren�t all going smartphones way: The Reg reports that: "research among business Smartphone user focus groups has shown that many have concerns about quality, functionality and customer service." But apart from that things are fine right?
"Key problems encountered by members of the focus group included core data services - such as MMS - not working properly, the complexity of setting up services and poor quality of support. One HR manager commented: "Feedback has been mixed; as a tool Smartphones are very useful but the set-up has caused more than a few headaches."" Ah, I guess not then. :wink:
The Inq says: "According to Andrew Wyatt, VP of marketing at Intuwave, only 40% of IT managers have confidence in Smartphones as a business tool. We're surprised as high a percentage of IT managers think that. The rest think they're devices not nice to have, inadequately tested, can involve product recalls that are "costly and embarrassing", and difficult to set up. Wyatt said that Smartphones are taking on many of the functions traditionally associated with the PC, and the industry, he appears to be suggesting, needs to apply diagnose and fix tools associated with desktop devices." Joy, Norton for Phones. Just what I was looking for. :roll:
So, Smarphones. How have you guys been getting on with them? It�s the (new) old argument; do you want a PDA that has phone function, or a phone that has PDA functions, or one of each?
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04-07-2004, 01:09 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2002
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I have been using a Treo 600 w/ Goodlink, never having to synch again and getting darn near instant email. (15 seconds from the time it hits my desktop its on my phone)
I can not imagine going back to a 2 device system. The abillity to click on a phone number inside an email and have the phone dial the number may be my favorite, and it is much safer while Im driving.....the call log that goes back on EVERY call ever made.....I can now go back 3 months......and find that phone number of the guy who called me.....awesome stuff.....
Im not a multi media user.....my treo is pretty much hardcore biz only....I do wish it ran pocket pc.....but Im not going back...
Cip
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04-07-2004, 01:09 AM
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04-07-2004, 01:16 AM
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04-07-2004, 01:17 AM
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Swami
Join Date: Feb 2004
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Originally Posted by cageyjames
My own thoughts are if camera phones can replace digital cameras, why can't smartphones replace PDAs?
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Depends what you mean by replace. I have just bought a Canon Powershot Pro1. Show me a camera phone that can do even a fraction of what the real camera can do. Even folks that have cameraphones have real cameras (digital or film-based) when they want to take pictures they really want to keep.
In the same way, a smartphone can't touch a e805 in it's ability to perform a variety of tasks.
However, most people will probably end up using a smarthphone as manufactures are adding more and more features. If something is 'good enough' - why bother upgrading to the extra that a PDA will give you?
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04-07-2004, 01:22 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Jonathon Watkins
Depends what you mean by replace. I have just bought a Canon Powershot Pro1. Show me a camera phone that can do even a fraction of what the real camera can do. Even folks that have cameraphones have real cameras (digital or film-based) when they want to take pictures they really want to keep.
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I was thinking more low end than middle to high end. Sony has already stated that is why they are getting out of the low end camera market. I don't own a camera phone because the quality isn't good enough for me, but many people have decided 2 MP is good enough. A e800 user may need that extra features, but a Axim or iPAQ user may not.
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04-07-2004, 01:29 AM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Mar 2004
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I think smartphones have potential... the Treo 600, for example, is by far the best smartphone I have ever used. I have a cell phone and a Pocket PC in my pocket at all times.. why not merge them?
If a Pocket PC company can create a smartphone that's as good as or better than a Treo 600, I'll definitely be the first to buy one!
For now, I'll keep a Sony Ericsson T610 in one pocket and my iPaq 4155 in the other! 
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04-07-2004, 02:02 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Originally Posted by zkmusa
I think smartphones have potential... the Treo 600, for example, is by far the best smartphone I have ever used.
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I agree with you. The Treo 600 is far from perfect, but I don't believe any other Smartphone integrates the phone and PDA as well.
I would prefer to stay with PPC, but I'll be looking for the next generation Treo with much interest.
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04-07-2004, 02:50 AM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 357
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Definitely PDA with Phone functionality for me... and a Bluetooth headset with a little more phone functionality inside it.
Right now I use a Bluespoon Digital with an XDA II. The Bluespoon goes into my ear when I'm on a call, and goes into my pocket when not. The only thing that would be more perfect is if the headset could attach to the PDA so that I wouldn't have to keep the two in separate pockets.
The Phone-First Smartphone-PDA thing is flawed. Someday people will learn that using a number pad for inputting text is just a hack and utterly illogical. Maybe someday they'll also realize that holding something against your head to talk into for long periods of time is also a waste of energy. Since using the Bluespoon, I'm horribly frustrated when I have to use one of my hands to hold a legacy phone against my head. You might say it's faster to just pull a phone out of your pocket and hold it to your ear while pressing the answer button... but it's just as fast for me to pull the Bluespoon out of my pocket and press the answer button as I stick it in my ear. Of course, that's not so true with other Bluetooth headsets which require you to thread your ear through some kind of hook.
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04-07-2004, 02:51 AM
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Oracle
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 841
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This is non-sense. Enterprise users will use synchronisation tools, configuration delivered OTA, customised, pre-defined and tested applications. A Smartphone being used by an executive is not a business tool until it's integrated with the enterprise directions.
Just because the CEO buys a phone and can't find her way through the menus to send a MMS doesn't mean the Smartphones are the problem. MMS is not a business tool, is it?
In this sense Smartphones are just being used as vanity/feature phones, like the Sharp GX10/20/30. Vodafone dropped a few of these to our upper management, and in less then a week they were all returned and replaced with real smartphones, not toys.
I know Intuwave is the company behind the mRouter for Symbian, but I'd like to know what they're trying to achieve declaring that their own product is bad :?:
According to O2 the majority of IT departments have no plans for wireless data. And this includes laptops, PDA, smartphones, RIM and what else.
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