03-29-2004, 05:08 AM
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10 years in prison for file sharing???
Wired has an interesting front page article today:
Congress appears to be preparing assaults against peer-to-peer technology on multiple fronts.
A draft bill recently circulated among members of the House judiciary committee would make it much easier for the Justice Department to pursue criminal prosecutions against file sharers by lowering the burden of proof. The bill, obtained Thursday by Wired News, also would seek penalties of fines and prison time of up to ten years for file sharing.
(rest is at http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0...w=wn_tophead_1)
Now I'm all for record companies and movie studios to make a fair profit off of their work (keyword: FAIR), but come on - 10 years for posting a bad copy of a movie that's going to be out in theatres next week? And I suppose if you rape and murder someone while videotaping it you'll get an extra 5 or so years tacked on, with possibility of parole in 6 months.
Of course, the other nice fact is that it only took $150,000 to pay off a republican senator, and about 10 grand more for a democrat. you get such a deal with those republicans :roll:
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03-29-2004, 06:26 AM
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....I used to share on Kazaa and other Peer-to-Peers. One of my friends was contacted by his ISP about this. I no longer use those applications, it's not worth it. I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.
I'm not going to argue that a murderer should serve more than 5 years. But that doesn't make sharing on Kazaa and others any more legal.
Getting licenced files on peer-to-peers is stealing...pure and simple. Even when I used Kazaa, I realized I was stealing. Stop trying to justify it.
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03-29-2004, 06:33 AM
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Re: 10 years in prison for file sharing???
Let's keep politics out of the discussion, please.
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03-29-2004, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mjpint
Getting licenced files on peer-to-peers is stealing...pure and simple. Even when I used Kazaa, I realized I was stealing. Stop trying to justify it.
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I didn't get where dadarkmcse was justifying it.
It's not justifying copying licensed files to acknowledge that the punishment should match the crime.
In this case, it just doesn't.
10 years in prison for this? That's just lunacy.
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03-29-2004, 08:25 AM
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Getting licenced files on peer-to-peers is stealing...pure and simple. Even when I used Kazaa, I realized I was stealing. Stop trying to justify it.
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That's absolutly amazing mjpint! you somehow read words I never put in my post. No where do I justify file sharing, I'm mearly pointing out that (as Jacob put it) 10 years is just lunacy.
I'm sorry I don't believe that file sharing is a plague of our times and that poor deprived artists aren't getting their millions. I just see a lot more going on in the world that should be punished than this stupid little debate over copyrights. It isn't the major deal, its not hurting anyone in a physical sense, and because of this, I don't think it justifies 10 years in prison under any circumstance.
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03-29-2004, 08:27 AM
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Re: 10 years in prison for file sharing???
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Let's keep politics out of the discussion, please.
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Actually the point of my line there was to point out how futile it is to believe one party is superior to the other when both are just as flawed and (in all honesty) human. Sorry if I gave the wrong impression. My personal political views did not come into play in the post.
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03-29-2004, 08:44 AM
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Well, it's a true crime, any kind of P2P file sharing of copyrighted material that is. Sadly, I must admit that I also participate in this. However, lately, I've made about 80% of my music... I've deleted a bunch of mp3s and purchased the others off of Amazon/Half.com/iTunes.
It makes me feel like a better person.. 
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03-29-2004, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dadarkmcse
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Getting licenced files on peer-to-peers is stealing...pure and simple. Even when I used Kazaa, I realized I was stealing. Stop trying to justify it.
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That's absolutly amazing mjpint! you somehow read words I never put in my post. No where do I justify file sharing, I'm mearly pointing out that (as Jacob put it) 10 years is just lunacy.
I'm sorry I don't believe that file sharing is a plague of our times and that poor deprived artists aren't getting their millions. I just see a lot more going on in the world that should be punished than this stupid little debate over copyrights. It isn't the major deal, its not hurting anyone in a physical sense, and because of this, I don't think it justifies 10 years in prison under any circumstance. |
If you actually read my post, I did state that a murderer should get more than five years. You were basically saying that "file sharing is not the same as murder". Of course that is true. It is disgusting that one could commit murder and serve only five years.
But you further justify file sharing in your second post. Would you feel the same way if a mob of people went into a Best Buy and just started stealing CD's from the shelf? No different. Should we just "leave them alone" because police should be chasing murderers instead?
They have had to start coming down on people so hard because there is such a social acceptance to stealing music online. Unfortunately, for a few, they are making an example of them. 10 years is ridicules for something like this. Would we be even having this conversation if someone got 6 months probation for this?
Stealing from the rich is still stealing. People also justify stealing copies of Windows because Microsoft is a wealthy company. That's just stupid.
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03-29-2004, 03:55 PM
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They have had to start coming down on people so hard because there is such a social acceptance to stealing music online. Unfortunately, for a few, they are making an example of them. 10 years is ridicules for something like this. Would we be even having this conversation if someone got 6 months probation for this?
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So you think that suing them for over $100,000 per song isn't enough?
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Stealing from the rich is still stealing. People also justify stealing copies of Windows because Microsoft is a wealthy company. That's just stupid.
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You're right, but 10 years in prison for downloading a song is also stupid.
Ten years in prison is more time than you think. Do you think someone should go to jail for 10 years for stealing a CD from BestBuy??? No, and they won't with current laws.
But now, if you download that same album you will??
Noone is saying that it's right to download or steal music, it's just that it's insane to have the punishment simply not fit the crime like this.
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03-29-2004, 05:40 PM
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I think we all agree on two things.
1. 10 years in prison for stealing music is ridicules.
2. Serving more time in prison for stealing music than murdering someone is an outrage.
I'm only trying to make my point that stealing is wrong, no matter what the justification is. Some people think it's right to steal because music CD's are too expensive. Stealing is still a crime. Enabling millions of people to access stolen music from my hard drive is still a crime.
I seriously doubt that anyone will actually serve 10 years in prison for this crime. The music companys' real intent is to scare some people straight. And I'm willing to bet that it has worked for many.
...I love a good debate. Sometimes I just like to shake things up a little. 
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