09-30-2003, 03:30 AM
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Toshiba: "The PocketPC market is pretty much dead."
http://www.itnews.com.au/storycontent.asp?ID=7&Art_ID=15594
"'The PocketPC market is pretty much dead, and HP will tell you the same if you talk to them. They will give you a realistic view,' he told news media, in response to a question about the future of the PDA market."
The rest of the article pretty much goes on to refute that statement from Toshiba and gets into a talking point that has been brought up here many times: The PDA as a standalone device does have a limited life. It is the wireless, converged and smartphone devices that will take over.
Still, it makes you wonder why Toshiba would make such a brash statement. Oh, wait. This was also in the article. "Toshiba's shipments peaked in Q4 2002 and it has been suffering quarterly shipment declines in Q1 and Q2 of 2003."
This wouldn't be sour grapes would it Toshiba? Dell and HP haven't had the problem of declining sales.
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09-30-2003, 03:58 AM
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5000+ Posts? I Should OWN This Site!
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Well, THEIR PPC market might be dead after they failed to provide an upgrade for the e740...
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09-30-2003, 04:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Kati Compton
Well, THEIR PPC market might be dead after they failed to provide an upgrade for the e740...
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Heh heh. I knew it wouldn't take too long before that got mentioned. :lol:
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09-30-2003, 04:15 AM
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If the Pocket PC market is dead then someone should tell my customers, I can't keep the iPaq 2210, 1940 & 5550 in stock and the Viewsonic V35's price is slowly over coming the diehard Palm fans I get when replacement time comes up.
But then again this is the same company who's rep refused to admit he was wrong on notebook specs. during a presentation at our management conference two weeks ago.
:frusty:
I think The Pocket PC has a strong heart beat except if it says Toshiba and I doubt anyone really cares at that point to look for a heart beat!
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Well that is my two cents worth.
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09-30-2003, 04:19 AM
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Intellectual
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They keep treating customer like dirt, and they are wondering why nobody is buying their ware?
Boy, amazing....
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09-30-2003, 04:20 AM
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In that case, HP is currently the second leading dead handheld maker in the world.
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09-30-2003, 04:32 AM
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Intellectual
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Originally Posted by LongRifle
But then again this is the same company who's rep refused to admit he was wrong on notebook specs. during a presentation at our management conference two weeks ago.
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I was at this same conference, and Toshiba seems quite proud of themselves and doesn't think they can do any wrong. If their entire company has the same attitude as the presenter we saw, it's hardly any surprise that they have issues like the lack of support for the e740.
They are going to be in for a rude awakening if this attitude continues for too long. The PPC market is probably quicker to react to poor service and support because of the rate of change, but I think they will soon start to see the same drop in their notebook sales if they don't change their attitude.
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09-30-2003, 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SandersP
They keep treating customer like dirt, and they are wondering why nobody is buying their ware?
Boy, amazing....
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I'm not sure if customer service would be the number one cause for this, I would pin it on innovation. HP and Dell have released new body models, if you look back on HP (who is the only one left with extensive PPC history), follow ups to previous body styles were not raved (i.e., 3900 from 3800 or 3700 from 3600).
But to answer this question, you'd have to know how interested customers are interested in upgrading PDA OSes, and whether or not they even know. When was the last time you've seen a Mobile Windows 2003 commercial? My guess is consumers aren't broken by not being able to upgrade the OS; however I do think they are disinterested in reoccuring chassis.
Caveat: Consumers=average consumers, not those who are well-informed on PDA's months before they are released.
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09-30-2003, 04:49 AM
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Just a thought: Could he have been referring to the Australian Pocket PC market?
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09-30-2003, 05:00 AM
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Intellectual
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I think the question is not "is the PPC market dead", b/c it obviously is not...but rather:
Can any other OEM besdes HP make a profit in the PPC market?
The short answer is yes and you can refer to the success of Dell's Axim line. But what about everyone else besides HP and Dell? There are soo many lisencees competing in the same market space that it cannot be possible that they are all being successful. In fact, Brighthand had a very interesting article on this very subject no to long aog intitled, "Is the iPAQ's Success Hurting Pocket PC?"
http://brighthand.com/article/Is_The...ting_Pocket_PC
I think this is a relavent question to ponder and study especially if there is ultimately going to be some sort of shakeout in the number of WM04 lisencees in the future...
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