01-20-2003, 10:41 AM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Security Issue or Big Brother Issue?
http://news.com.com/2100-1033-981244.html?tag=fd_top
The Smartphone 2002 "security issue" I recently wrote about continues to create headlines.
This CNET article quotes a software developer Damian Hack (!) who provides some legitimate nuances to the situation: "The Orange SPV has not been 'hacked'," Hack wrote. "The (security measure) has, rather, been legally circumvented by exploiting existing bugs in the bundled software and operating system. This circumvention allows developers to test their applications on their own SPV prior to going through the Orange certification process. This is surely a necessity in any robust and quality-assured development scheme."
I could not agree more. The real issue at hand is an operator wanting to lock down devices, not software developers and users being able to run whatever applications they choose.
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01-20-2003, 01:18 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 383
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This is not an issue to laugh at, but I can't get over his name. :lol:
What's the origin of the word anyway? Was the fist hacked named "Hack" or something like that?
/jizmo
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01-20-2003, 01:49 PM
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Mystic
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1,734
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forgone conclusion...
Of course we all want to be able pick and choose our own applications!
but just as a devil's advocate....
Reasons to have signed applications:
1) create a revenue stream for mobile phone operators, increasing subsidy on phones, hereby making them more available.
2) decrease support costs for operators, thereby making the phones more easy to adopt, making them more avilable.
3) making phones more predictable, thereby decreasing development time, making them more available.
etc...
Im sure there are a few more reasons. The tall tale regarding security is obviously just that. PPCPE has no signing, and there are many GSM cards available with obviously no signing.
Having said all that, I want my smartphone (although a just bought a T68i) as long as it has GPRS, Bluetooth, Colour screen (and maybe a camera).. Im still waiting, and may be willing to sacrifice some freedom for a product in my hand....
Surur
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01-20-2003, 03:18 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 33
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Not acceptable
I don't see anyone saying that Microsoft and Intel should be allowed to lock down PCs so that they can get more money to make PCs cheaper and more available. Doesn't cut it in my book. Would anybody put up with that?
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01-20-2003, 04:06 PM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 784
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Ok who's the ONE person who picked "...let Orange decide what applications I may install to my Smartphone!"??? 
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01-20-2003, 04:33 PM
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Theorist
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 307
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The whole policy is just a bad move from Orange...where software is involved, software sells devices. Programmers will not bother with a system they have to go through hoops for the privilege of developing for. The certification process will not encourage (to put it mildly) the development of a large and vibrant developer community.
Silly, silly, silly.
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01-20-2003, 04:55 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 400
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Originally Posted by djtipmothee
Ok who's the ONE person who picked "...let Orange decide what applications I may install to my Smartphone!"??? |
Judging by the posts it looks like it was probably Surur(nope it's 3 now!!! 1%!?!?!)
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Of course we all want to be able pick and choose our own applications!
but just as a devil's advocate....
Reasons to have signed applications:
1) create a revenue stream for mobile phone operators, increasing subsidy on phones, hereby making them more available.
2) decrease support costs for operators, thereby making the phones more easy to adopt, making them more avilable.
3) making phones more predictable, thereby decreasing development time, making them more available.
etc...
Im sure there are a few more reasons. The tall tale regarding security is obviously just that. PPCPE has no signing, and there are many GSM cards available with obviously no signing.
Having said all that, I want my smartphone (although a just bought a T68i) as long as it has GPRS, Bluetooth, Colour screen (and maybe a camera).. Im still waiting, and may be willing to sacrifice some freedom for a product in my hand....
Surur
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1) Yeah, cell phone revenue stream should be considered, forget that competition thing, it is way overrated!
2) Availabilty is such a problem, can't find a descent cell phone anywhere! Although there is hope, there is a tiny start-up called Symbian that may help us survive until MS gets around to taking the burden of freedom and choice of software off our hands.
3) Ahh predictability, drinking Hemlock has predictable results doesn't mean I want to do it!
Sorry to Rant, but why is it that Americans(Land of the Free) are always the first to sacrifice "a little" freedom for ease of use? A little freedom for comfort, a little freedom for security, a little freedom to save money. A little here, a little there; how long before we look around a see we no longer have even "a little" left??
I'll use pigeons, before I use a "security" enabled smartphone. Thank any and all available Deities for Symbian.
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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure."
- Thomas Jefferson, 1787
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Let The Orange SPVs blood flow, along with that of all other would be Tyrants! :2gunfire:
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01-20-2003, 04:58 PM
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Editor Emeritus
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 15,171
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Originally Posted by Sslixtis
Sorry to Rant, but why is it that Americans(Land of the Free) are always the first to sacrifice "a little" freedom for ease of use?
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What exactly does this have to do with this debate? Note that the Orange SPV is being sold in the UK, not the US.
In any case, I certainly won't be buying a restricted Smartphone. It would defeat the purpose in my eyes.
--janak
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01-20-2003, 05:06 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 400
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Originally Posted by Janak Parekh
What exactly does this have to do with this debate? Note that the Orange SPV is being sold in the UK, not the US.
In any case, I certainly won't be buying a restricted Smartphone. It would defeat the purpose in my eyes.
--janak
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People in the US are already justifying this "security" feature, along with making statements like
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Im still waiting, and may be willing to sacrifice some freedom for a product in my hand....
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and unless I miss my guess, MS will be offering this "feature" to service providers here in the US as well as those in the EU.
Just getting all my future rants against the coming US Smartphones setup now :twisted:
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01-20-2003, 05:09 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 156
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In all fairness to Orange, the article does say that "the company would make "unlocked" phones available to developers sometime next month."
Next month? Gotta love the speed...
Developers only? No doubt, actually getting one will require that you sign your life away and then wait a few more months for the privilege...
Words cannot express how low my opinion of Orange is at this moment in time.
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