10-03-2002, 12:00 AM
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Contributing Editor Emeritus
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Uhm.... ok. If you say so
Would you get a device that looked like this today?
� $500
� 200MHz processor
� Proprietary expansion
� 16MB onboard RAM
� 8oz
� 5.5" long, 2.9" wide, .93" thick
� Manufacturer claim of 5 hrs of battery life with the backlight off
I know one thing. If this had a Pocket PC OS on it, it would be absolutely laughed off of the planet. For comparison, lets look at the Casio E125.
� $550 when new
� 150MHz processor
� Compact Flash expansion
� 32MB onboard RAM
� 8.8oz
� 5.2" long, 3.3" wide, 0.8" thick
� 8hrs of battery life, and had a removable battery so you could carry an extra.
The e125 was unquestionably a niche product and a low volume seller due to its heft. I am amazed at the raves the product on top is getting. Do you think it would be getting the same raves if the Pocket PC OS was on it or would it be blasted as the E125 often was? Let me ask it another way. Would the E125 have been lauded had it had the Palm OS on it as the device above has been?
If you haven't guessed already, the device spec'd out above is named in the forum.
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It is the NX60, from Sony. Yes, I know it has a keyboard, the clamshell design and whatnot. But how many times have I heard "Who needs all of that? It must be small and able to fit in my pocket. I don't need all that excess!" Now Sony has a device with that "excess" and it is the greatest thing since sliced bread from those same sites and people that have blasted anything Pocket PC because it wasn't Palm V sized.  I guess the thing that gets me is consistency. "You don't need it until we have it." Uhm... ok. If you say so.
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10-03-2002, 12:08 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,768
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Consistency
Consistency with the PalmOS camp and zealots? Come on Ed, I think you are asking a bit too much. I think it all comes down to either envy, anti-MS bias or both.
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10-03-2002, 12:15 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Just a note, it is the NX60 (there is no NX70).
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10-03-2002, 12:17 AM
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Contributing Editor Emeritus
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Originally Posted by pdadave
Just a note, it is the NX60 (there is no NX70).
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Indeed. Changed. They changed their numbering scheme for the NX vs the NR. Thanks!
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10-03-2002, 12:39 AM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 381
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First off, Sony will most likely, within 3-4 months, release this model in the T series design (w/o keyboard, CF, and camera, probably with new resolution too).
Also, you forgot to mention it's a 200 Mhz Xscale vs. a 150 Mhz MIPS (though probably about the same power).
You also forgot to mention that the Clie has twice as many pixels than the Casio, that's also transflective (iPaq 3900). That is a BIG point that know one should miss- the screen is very important too MANY people...
Oh yeah, did you forget to say that Proprietory exapnsion is DUAL SLOTS (MS+CF(sony only, for now)). No one says the toshiba e740 as standard expansion and the iPaq has SD expansion- work on the same level by naming the slots, you may misguide people.
Also, you seem to be uninformed of Sony's product line.
For those who do not need a camera, they get the NX60.
For those who do not need the keyboard, shorter battery life, size, they get a T series (655c).
For those who do not want MP3s, they get an sj30.
For those who do not want Color, they get an sl20.
For those who do not want lithium ion batteries, they get an sl10.
For those who want lower resolution, they get a Palm, and maybe even a PPC.
Trust me- sony will update their product line.
Yes, the battery life is low- so was some of the toshiba's and iPaqs, they too were laughed at, they learned from their mistakes; so will Sony (within a 2 months i bet, unlike PPC manufactures that take about a year to upgrade).
Also, note that this is Sony's FIRST Palm OS 5 pda, remember their first Palm OS 3 device? It failed, but now their one of the most innovative companies out on the market, if not THE most innovative.
Remember HP's first PPC, it too had it's weak points. Don't dismiss a product so quickly- especially if you've never even SEEN one in person...
Personally, I love PPC Thoughts and the news they give me, including some of your comments. Although I understand this site is PPC bias, which I don't have a problem with (since you're not claiming you have unbias material), your (Ed) posts on Palm are misleading.
Also, just to note, it's .93 inches thick at the CF slot, not uniformly.
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10-03-2002, 12:41 AM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 390
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Call it wicked,
but am I the only one who thinks Sony is hedging their PDA bet by developing a PDA based on Xscale? In case when Palm Inc. starts acting up seing their PDA sales suffer because of Sony, they will have a big stick to wave. (we'll put PPC OS on our product)
Consider this, The first rumor was moto's MX1, and what's more I don't think Xscale receives Palm OS certification before the other chips. But here we are, the first OS5.0 released. Maybe Palm Inc. wants to prove that the OS5.0 can be adopted quickly on various differing brand. But if so, they sure do a shoddy job with the Tungsten being 2 months late. (That's 1/4 of a PDA shelf life)
It would be really funny, if Sony start offering a line of product with 2 OS options.
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10-03-2002, 01:02 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Gee Heov, you really killed THAT topic :roll:
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10-03-2002, 01:13 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Oct 2002
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I still don't know about that 5 hour battery life figure you guys are throwing around. It sounds inaccurate.
From what I remember that was extrapolated from Sony's statement "half an hour a day for 10 days"?
In that case it's pretty good, because an Xscale PPC will lose over half its power in 10 days even when it's off (if not more).
Which means that the Sony can get 5 hours (backlight off) with less than half the battery. This could mean 10 or 15 hours use over the span of one day. Either way, the 5 hour estimate (backlight off) is wrong, and should not be used as a basis for comparison.
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10-03-2002, 01:59 AM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 390
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Originally Posted by toshtoshtosh
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Which means that the Sony can get 5 hours (backlight off) with less than half the battery. This could mean 10 or 15 hours use over the span of one day. Either way, the 5 hour estimate (backlight off) is wrong, and should not be used as a basis for comparison.
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I don't think we are in 33Mhz dragonball land with 8mb memory anymore. Sony is using the exact same Xscale and memory type as the rest of PPC, which means bucket that hold charge has the same amount of holes draining the charge over time. ( And no, Sony hasn't invent mytical super dense battery that the rest of PPC industry hasn't discover either.)
so, what you are comparing is apple with apple here. There is no hope that Sony can perform 15 hrs straight on single charge, or the battery won't drain charge slowly like the rest of PPC. Ever wonder why Sony only put 200Mhz and no built in wireless?
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10-03-2002, 02:55 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 24
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Sony is a consumer product manufacturer and a good thing about this company is their product life cycle for their CLIE line is very short and that means you can bet on inovation on top of inovation and also choices.
I am not a Clie user but I still use my Palm IIIxe beside my iPaq and my Jornada 820 from time to time. For battery life which PPC can beat monochrome Palm device? I know it's monochrome but what is wrong with monochrome if you use the device for reading ebooks or news, taking notes, check your calendar?
I read ebooks on both Palm IIIxe and iPaq. When you read for hours, iPaq battery have to be recharged from time to time then I switch to my Palm IIIxe and continue reading or to my Jornada 820.
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