10-22-2010, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeHunter
From my very early days with WinMo (Motorola MPx-200 anyone?) on through to v6.5, the appointment snoozing function is something that has always defaulted to only delaying the alarm another 5 minutes.
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Hmm. Well, I've used Windows Mobile/Windows Phone exclusively for years and at some point, on some phone (I'm thinking perhaps my Samsung Jack) I was able to specify the snooze time. I really don't think I'm making it up. 
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10-22-2010, 09:54 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
I wouldn't hold my breath - Windows Phone 7 has more in common with a Zune HD than it does with any previous Windows Mobile phone. Although clever people do tend to find a way to accomplish certain things, so who knows. But I think the days of registry hacking and whatnot are likely behind us (for better or worse).
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I am not so sure; the Zune was not hacked because very few people were interested in the hardware; hopefully Wp7 will see a broader acceptance. If so..... it will be hacked. The only question will be how long it will take.
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10-22-2010, 10:05 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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I don't remember WM6.5 reminders clearly as it's been a year or so since I started using WM6.5.3 on an Elfin, then on a Kaiser. But with WM6.5.3 (of which I know you do not approve, owing to its unofficial use through XDA-dev), the standard Calendar snooze options are these:
Dismiss All
Remind 5 mins before
Snoose 5 minutes
Snooze 10 minutes
Snooze 15 minutes
Snooze 1 hour
Snooze 1 day
View Item
I've poked around in settings and cannot find any way to change those defaults, and to be honest I'd like some user-defined additions to be possible. But View Item takes care, if a bit awkwardly, of the need, for example, to snooze for 90 minutes. My dim recollection is that something like this was possible under WM2003SE, WM2002, and the original PPC.
But the modus operandi is different with WM7, as the Bing button's simplicity points out. The user is not being asked for their initiative, their input. The user is being 'predicted' or 'anticipated' at every turn. As the failure (or so it seems to some of us) of the Back button for non-native (and developing 'native' apps is forbidden outside the Microsoft campus, right?) apps shows, the user's notions of what should be happening with this OS are really not of concern. The treasure trove of value for Facebook links and the like, that's the focus. It's a marketing-driven way of doing things, replete with ads where possible.
One could say that such a perspective is somewhat cynical... but is it, really? Seems to me that the whole package points to a sort of joining mentality, rather than independent device usage. EVERYONE should snooze alarms for 5 minutes. That way we're all on the same wavelength. EVERYONE should use MS native WP7 apps, not third-party apps. The Back button's behavior will inevitably reinforce this behavior. Need to end a call? Do it the way MS thinks it should be done. And if you have an app to end calls more efficiently... well, better hope they are accepted for distribution through the only official channel. Will third party batteries also fail? It wouldn't be the first time for such a gambit, the way some printer manufacturers seek to control use of ink, allowing only their heavily over-priced cartridges. I'm not big on consipiracies and such, but the strategy here is quite plain, isn't it?
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10-23-2010, 02:20 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TimeHunter
...the appointment snoozing function is something that has always defaulted to only delaying the alarm another 5 minutes. I've always had to fix it with either some third party tool or a few registry judo chops...
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I believe that with WM5 - 6.1 you could click a drop-down somewhere in the notification to select the snooze period similar to Outlook on your desktop. Don't have any old device to check now tho'...
The HD2 has the same 5 minute only snooze and it really irritates me.
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10-23-2010, 05:09 AM
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Just dug out my old Toshiba e830, which runs WM2003SE, plugged it in for the first time in months, and set a test appointment. (Wow, the default OS date is July 1, 2004 - this thing is really OLD!) Sure enough there is a pop-up with buttons Dismiss and Snooze, and a drop-down menu with snooze time options:
5 minutes
10 minutes
15 minutes
30 minutes
1 hour
2 hours
8 hours
1 day
1 week
The 1 day option would be useful for an everyday alarm I suppose, without bothering to go into Alarms and set a repeating alarm or a recurring appointment in Calendar, especially if the repeat number wasn't yet known. The 1 week I could see being useful for Tasks, or using Calendar like Tasks which is what I've always done. Anyway, the menu items are slightly different between these OS versions 6 years apart, but the essential element, user-selected snooze options, remained the same right up until the 'last' Windows Mobile OS version, WM6.5.3.
Aicon; it seems with the HD2 that HTC decided to customize the snooze options, perhaps anticipating WP7? For what it's worth, a guy at XDA-dev has received quite a lot of donations towards expenses and time involved for making WP7 run on the HD2. I don't know how far along he's got so far.
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10-25-2010, 06:26 PM
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Yes, I definitely recall the options for the snooze time with earlier versions of Windows Mobile. That's because I've missed them tremendously as I've dabbled with other platforms.
As far as I can tell, the iPhone doesn't snooze at all. When you get an alarm, you can cancel it or view the appointment, at which time you can go in and change the alarm to simulate "snoozing". Certainly far less convenient than just selecting "5 minutes before", which is what I used most of the time with WM and continue to use with desktop Outlook. And this is not improved even with Pocket Informant for the iPhone, which is otherwise extremely nice and a huge improvement over the stock Calendar. I know that Alex has been stymied to some extent by the closed nature of the iPhone and the inability to interact with and/or control some aspects of system level functionality. However, that has improved lately on the iPhone side and PI has leveraged the improvements to actually write to the iPhone calendar directly, rather than having to sync through Google. Who knows, maybe updated alarm options will be available sometime.
The Blackberry Bold 9700 that I use for work has a similar setup to WP7 as reported by Jason. With the standard calendar, you can set a single default for snooze and you're stuck with it. Default is 15 minutes. Once again, PI to the rescue. PI provides custom snooze (5, 10, 15, 30 minutes, etc.) which helps quite a bit. Sadly though, given PI's WM roots, they haven't seen fit to include the even more useful "5 minutes before" option for the BB. I've posted a feature request for that a couple of times but it apparently hasn't sparked much interest. No complaints in general about PI for BB, though... again, it's a huge improvement over the stock Calendar on that platform as well.
It does seem to be a bit of a shame that MS would blindly follow the competition with more limited functionality than before with WM. One would think that they'd include previous versions of WM in the investigation of functionality of competitive devices so they could identify and perhaps keep features such as the snooze function which was superior even to current competitors.
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10-30-2010, 01:46 AM
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The Non Removable SD card
I understand that people rely on the WM smart-phones for calendaring, alarms, etc.
but don't you find that not being able to remove an SD memory card is a deal killer. It is for me. I love my Wizard running WM 6.0 because I can switch cards one of which has my entire encrypted office files, (because of a legal requirement) and movies and music on the others.
Now, I'm looking at the HTC HD2 and hacking it with a smooth ROM. I just don't get where MS is going to sell a whole lot of these?
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10-30-2010, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by mas98110
but don't you find that not being able to remove an SD memory card is a deal killer?
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No, actually I don't. I do use memory cards but typically the biggest one I can afford when I get a new device is what goes in it and never comes out. Eventually when the device has been retired for a long time I think about the memory card and wonder if it could be usefull in something else. Usually it is so behind the current standard I drill a hole in it and use it as a XMas ornament.
I think switchable media has it's place, but the average consumer, which is the target here, isn't going to think this is a big deal, if they even realize this used to be common. Managing removable media adds a level of interaction, that many don't want to get in to on a phone. Personnally the physical size is a bit of a deterrent. CF was OK. SD not horrible. I really don't like juggling micro-SDs the size of my little finger nail. So, I understand your need, but I don't think this is going to be a big deal for the majority, unless someone convinces them it is a big deal.
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10-31-2010, 01:32 AM
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Memory Card
Your assessment is absolutely correct, the general public doesn't even understand how these phones work. My thought was that since the iPhone is everyone's favorite, MS could used removable memory as a selling difference.
Looks like MS is banking on the "Cloud" as a future income earner.
You are right about me not being the typical user I'm off the chart when it comes to buying electronics;researching till the product is old and the new model is in.
Can't help myself... I grew up poor
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11-14-2010, 04:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
Another thing I'm not fond of is how the reminder snooze function works - my reminders trigger 30 minutes in advance by default (that's something you can configure in Outlook), but often I don't need to leave until 15 minutes before some appointments. Ideally I want to snooze the reminder for 10 or 15 minutes, or even five minutes before the start of the appointment if it's a conference call. The snooze function is hard-coded to five minutes though, so every five minutes I have to snooze the reminder. The current system is too binary and simplistic - I'd like to see, at minimum "5 Minutes before Start" added as an option that would be remembered.
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I've never liked the way this is done in Outlook. Sounds like WP7 is a Great Leap backwards...
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