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Old 12-16-2008, 04:50 AM
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Whatever.

In both cases I can't listen to something that I haven't paid for, so your point is meaningless. What you really want to point out is that subscriptions allow me to sample more music that I could afford to buy.
Sigh...that's exactly what I (and David) said. Rewording it does not undermine my point (or his) and make it your own.

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The downside of a pure subscription service is that I lose all of the music when I stop paying; I don't lose purchased music (unless it's got DRM and the DRM service goes away).
This is the same conceptual difficulty that many have with subscription music - with subscription, you don't "lose" the music because it was never yours to begin with. "Ownership" is a foreign concept with "pure subscription services".

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Zune Pass seems to combine the best of both models, allowing me to sample a lot and keep 10 songs per month that I really like. So, if I understand the model correctly, it's basically a $5.10 per month all-you-can-sample service if you always take the 10 songs you're entitled to (which cost $9.90 on iTunes).

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Yes, you understand it correctly, and I agree that it is the best of both worlds.
 
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:58 AM
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Sigh...that's exactly what I (and David) said. Rewording it does not undermine my point (or his) and make it your own.
I understood the benefits of subscriptions from the beginning, and was referring to what you said in the quoted post (I quoted it for a reason), not some other post. What you said in that post wasn't an accurate description of the differences in models -- in both purchase and subscription models, if you don't pay, you can't play. The important point that you didn't mention (in that post) was that subscriptions allow you to play more, but give you fewer rights.

Nor was I trying to make anything "my own", either. The concept of subscriptions (or their benefits and drawbacks) doesn't belong to anybody, and I highly doubt you were the first person to think that subscriptions allow you to listen to more music than you can purchase. In fact, if subscription services didn't allow that, they'd really be stupid.

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This is the same conceptual difficulty that many have with subscription music - with subscription, you don't "lose" the music because it was never yours to begin with.
Now you're just pettifogging. "Lose" is short for "lose access to", which you most certainly do. The user doesn't care why he can't play the music; the fact that he can't is the important issue.

Also, technically, the music is never "yours" -- unless the copyright owner gives you that right. The medium may be yours, but your uses (including access) may be restricted. This is true whether you purchase or subscribe to content.

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Yes, you understand it correctly, and I agree that it is the best of both worlds.
Good, so I think we've agreed that subscription models can be useful, haven't we? Crash was the person who called subscriptions "extremely niche", and even he said "Zune Pass is certainly the best of the subscription models available." So why are we arguing about something we basically agree on?

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