07-13-2008, 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kacey Green
Getting the amount of music currently sitting on my Zune would set me back about $8830.80 from iTunes. Vs $14.99 a month from Microsoft. It would take me over 49 years to get this same amount of music from iTunes at the same monthly price as I spend now with Zune.
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I remain convinced that subscription music users have a much firmer grasp on finance than those who for some reason ridicule it. (Those people probably have cable TV which is the SAME THING. Except for video.)
As for this article...its completely and utterly wrong. 1%? Really? REALLY? He was very clear what his search parameters were: early albums from artists who aren't popular anymore but were once big (or in some cases...artists that aren't well known). I have noticed that if an artist has some albums not available they almost always are the older ones. Hmm, maybe that's got something to do with the fact that artists change their labels all the time (and many times the older ones are with smaller labels) and while Microsoft certainly has the major labels on board for subscription...it is probably a lot harder to get permission from the thousands of tiny labels out there.
But yes, it must be a big conspiracy.
If he estimates that there's 30K subscription songs out there then my music collection includes over 10% of all available music. Which is unlikely. My experience says that its probably in the vicinity of 80% available. Certainly not perfect but millions of songs are available to me.
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07-13-2008, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by David Tucker
As for this article...its completely and utterly wrong. 1%? Really? REALLY? He was very clear what his search parameters were: early albums from artists who aren't popular anymore but were once big (or in some cases...artists that aren't well known). I have noticed that if an artist has some albums not available they almost always are the older ones. Hmm, maybe that's got something to do with the fact that artists change their labels all the time (and many times the older ones are with smaller labels) and while Microsoft certainly has the major labels on board for subscription...it is probably a lot harder to get permission from the thousands of tiny labels out there.
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I don't necessarily agree with the poster's numbers, but it certainly devalues Zune Pass for him. I don't listen to purely mainstream music anymore, and I hit limits in Rhapsody all the time. Overall, the subscription is a net positive, but the coverage for me is nowhere near 100%; TruckinGeek's 80% is a good estimate for me too.
--janak
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07-24-2008, 02:43 PM
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zune pass does its job for me. the one thing that continues to eat away at me....is the lack of video bundled with the zune pass. even if they raise the price (which i think they shouldn't) for the love of god...can't i get the music videos included with my all you can eat subscription!!!!!!!!!!
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07-24-2008, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by rzanology
the one thing that continues to eat away at me....is the lack of video bundled with the zune pass.
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Yeah, it would be cool to get music videos as part of that price...but I don't know how that would work. They'd probably want to add a $5/month charge on top of that or something...
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08-01-2008, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by David Tucker
I remain convinced that subscription music users have a much firmer grasp on finance than those who for some reason ridicule it. (Those people probably have cable TV which is the SAME THING. Except for video.)
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Sorry but I disagree. On cable I can record anything I want and its mine, whether on tape or disc.
But to rent music....Give me a break!
15 dollars a month times 12 equals a 180 dollars a year for music you don't evem own and if you miss a payment it is gone, until you pay up. And to top it off, you can't even burn it to a cd.
The subscription service is a good idea, but I would rather have a bit more control over what I am spending my money on, which IMO makes me a better manager of my financial situation.
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08-01-2008, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tbird
Sorry but I disagree. On cable I can record anything I want and its mine, whether on tape or disc.
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On digital cable? I can't record anything except on the DVR, and that DVR is owned by Time Warner Cable. When I cancel my service, the DVR and all of its content are gone.
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15 dollars a month times 12 equals a 180 dollars a year for music you don't evem own and if you miss a payment it is gone, until you pay up. And to top it off, you can't even burn it to a cd.
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You're looking at it as an alternative to purchasing CDs. It's not. Rather, view it as an alternative to, say, satellite radio -- with a customizable playlist. If anything, I use it as a means of discovering new music, and then I'll buy the CDs I like to keep control over my music.
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08-01-2008, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Janak Parekh
On digital cable? I can't record anything except on the DVR, and that DVR is owned by Time Warner Cable. When I cancel my service, the DVR and all of its content are gone.
You're looking at it as an alternative to purchasing CDs. It's not. Rather, view it as an alternative to, say, satellite radio -- with a customizable playlist. If anything, I use it as a means of discovering new music, and then I'll buy the CDs I like to keep control over my music.
--janak
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exactly, both counts
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08-05-2008, 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Janak Parekh
On digital cable? I can't record anything except on the DVR, and that DVR is owned by Time Warner Cable. When I cancel my service, the DVR and all of its content are gone.
You're looking at it as an alternative to purchasing CDs. It's not. Rather, view it as an alternative to, say, satellite radio -- with a customizable playlist. If anything, I use it as a means of discovering new music, and then I'll buy the CDs I like to keep control over my music.
--janak
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With the Hauppauge HD PVR, you can record anything with component outputs.
I agree 100% with your point about satellite radio.
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08-05-2008, 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by onlydarksets
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Sure, but hardware like that is certainly the exception, not the rule. I understand the general concept - I record TV shows and sometimes burn DVDs with my Media Center PC, but in standard quality there's not a lot I want to keep...
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08-05-2008, 03:33 AM
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Oracle
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I keep a ton of stuff, mostly to watch off-season or to take on the go. Plus, with kids - it beats the pants off of buying the latest series on DVD!
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