04-20-2003, 07:26 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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In Mozilla (okay, so I'm beating a dead horse here)
Not to beat a dead horse, but...
Like I said - it renders fine in Mozilla, when given the chance! Not only that, but the links to the video files even properly launch Windows Media Player, which proceeds to show the video fine. Despite my using Mozilla to view the page, and click the link.
The redirect is just another annoying ploy to try to control which browser I use to view the page - kind of like what happened to Hotmail for a short while, until a lot of people complained (when they first put it up, they disabled viewing hotmail and MSN for non-IE browsers, then quickly recanted)
I've said it before - Microsoft can be both brilliant and idiotic all in the same move (brilliant WMP 9 codecs, and performance, idiotic use of browser-sniffing for marketing purposes).
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04-20-2003, 08:58 AM
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Join Date: May 2004
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Protecting the Brand?
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Originally Posted by dubStylee
The point is not what browser I am using but that there is aboslutely no necessary connection between what browser I am using and what media player I am using and to arbitrarily tell me that I can't use the media player because I'm not using the right browser is absurd.
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<shrug> It's the way the world works, like it or not. Microsoft is flexing their muscles to protect their brand, nothing more. They want to keep people using Internet Explorer, and they're going to use every asset they can to do that. If one of the assets they have is exclusive content, that's a benefit of using IE that you lose when you uninstall it. It's not like anyone put a gun to your head and forced you to get rid of the browser, right? You made a choice, and there are ups and downs to every choice. |
Sorry, but that "protecting their brand" argument doesn't wash. First, the content already has to be played on a Microsoft OS using a Microsoft media player, right? (Unless I'm mistaken, Windows Media 9 isn't available for other platforms.) I don't mind that, because Microsoft is trying to showcase the advantages of Windows Media 9 technology, so it makes sense to only have it work in a Windows Media 9 player.
However, requiring you to use a Microsoft browser is ridiculous, and may even be anti-competetive. There's a reason Microsoft had to add a method to allow using different browsers to Windows XP SP1. If the video won't play properly in a non-IE browser, why not launch Windows Media Player as a helper application? Kirkaiya even showed that it could be done. If I were on the team appealing the Microsoft antitrust decision, I'd certainly bring this up.
Also, why do you assume we uninstalled the browsers? I have IE on my system, but refuse to use it unless I have to.
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The same argument applies if you want some Pocket PC software and are using a Palm...is it "unfair" for a company to release software for something you're not using?
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Jason, come on! That's not even close to the same thing. Software is usually developed for a given operating system (and processor, sometimes). That's expected. Refusing to display a Web page is not.
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04-20-2003, 10:33 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 110
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
They want to keep people using Internet Explorer, and they're going to use every asset they can to do that. If one of the assets they have is exclusive content, that's a benefit of using IE that you lose when you uninstall it. It's not like anyone put a gun to your head and forced you to get rid of the browser, right? You made a choice, and there are ups and downs to every choice.
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I'd recommend Avant Browser ( http://www.avantbrowser.com) - it's an interface for IE so sites still think you're browsing with IE, but you get blocking of pop-up ads and multiple window support (a la Opera) - I find it esp. nice to click on multiple links in OE then swap across to Avant and find them all sitting there in separate windows waiting to be read 
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04-20-2003, 06:04 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2002
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Ahhh.... sweet sweet avantbroswer. I have the hardest time when I have to use IE now, trying to open and close stuff with middle button.
These videos really kick (quality wise) the snot out of the animatrix movies. Not that the .wmv files aren't like 4x as big, but the .mov format is pretty jerky, while these massive .wmv files went almost without a hitch. (2gig p4)
I'd really hate to see MS make a great video format, have everyone start using it and then make it completely platform specific.
MS, why can't we all just get along?
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04-21-2003, 12:01 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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^ One thing, Avant doesn't remove its addition to User-Agent browser string even after uninstall, and while installed there's no option to disable this, and apparently it also automatically deletes the additions from other IE shells (though I haven't confirmed this last part)?
http://forum.avantbrowser.com/YaBB.c...num=1047940894
Otherwise I believe Jason had also recommended it as well as the others (NetCaptor, Crazy Browser, MyIE2, etc)...
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04-21-2003, 01:34 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Mar 2004
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MS, why can't we all just get along?
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Because that would be communism and then MS wouldn't make any money :lol:
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04-21-2003, 04:26 AM
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MS, why can't we all just get along?
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Wait... using standards-based software is "communism"? Okay, either (1) you're joking, or (2) you don't read follow Microsoft's own press and technology.
Microsoft *has*, in many areas, decided that we CAN all "get along" - hence Office 11's use of XML-based document formats, .NET's heavy emphasis on web-services (Microsoft is a member of several working-groups that propose and ratify new standards), and Internet Explorer does, for the most part, support the HTML 4.2 standard, CSS 1, some CSS2, javascript and XML.
I congratulate them on being a forward-thinking company that HAS gotten their minds around the idea that they *can* make money by following standards.
Granted, they have had their bad moments (extensions to Java language, then dropping the JVM completely, extensions to HTML and JScript that lead to browser compatibility problems, and so on), but overall, they've been moving heavily into supporting open standards - they're even on that "open messaging" standards-body (granted, I have seen little or no action there, but anywaze)
Communism is "from each according to his abilities, and to each according to his needs", at it's essence. nothin' to do with making tons of swag by making products that you can sell to everybody cause they support open standards and protocols :-)
And.. if you were completely joking, then this whole spiel is for anybody else who's secretly thinking the same thing 8)
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04-21-2003, 09:17 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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And.. if you were completely joking, then this whole spiel is for anybody else who's secretly thinking the same thing 8)
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Glad you cleared that up then :lol:
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