BGR's HTC X7500 Unboxing

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/04/14/htc-x7500-unboxing/' target='_blank'>http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007...x7500-unboxing/</a><br /><br /></div><i>"Too big to be called a true "Pocket" PC, and too small to be considered a full on laptop, HTC's X7500 tries to bridge the gap between UMPC's and smartphones. How do they fare? In my opinion not well, and here's why. The HTC X7500 is large, but not that big where it's not portable obviously, the problem I see is the price point. Averaging around $1200 when it's finally available (E-Gadget Depot has em' right now!). It's the cost of a decent laptop, hell even almost an OQO 02. There lies the problem. For $1200 you get an amazing device that's incredibly well thought out and constructed, I just don't see who would use this darn thing. The QWERTY detachable keyboard is cool, not great. It lacks much needed tactile feedback and even though the magnet that attaches to the unit is strong, you have a limited viewing angle when using the keyboard or else the main unit will just fall off."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20070415-htcx7500.jpg" /><br /><br />While the HTC Advantage failed to please the Boy Genius, he still managed to snap some sweet pictures for all to drool over; head over to <a href="http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/04/14/htc-x7500-unboxing/">the BGR</a> for a look. Anyone here thinking of picking one up?

[code-frog]

I would own one right now if I could get it to work with Sprint. Being self-employed and yet still wanting to have a life away from my office is a critical must for me. Something small enough to be a phone (barely) and big enough to be a laptop/palmtop (barely) fits me like peanut butter fits jelly. I'd saw off my right leg and stream it on the web if Sprint would pick up this device.

Alas! I do believe for me this particular device will be summed up as, "Don't hold your breath, if you do you'll take a dirt nap as this baby probably isn't coming Sprint's direction."

Now if anyone knows a way to hijack this thing and make it speak Sprint then... ummm I'd well, OUT WITH IT!!! :D

So yeah, I'd own one in a heartbeat. But I do believe I'm in a very unique niche and a device like this is just a dream come true for people in my situation.

[code-frog]

Also, is it me or does anyone think they really tried to mimic XBOX packaging with this device? Every time I look at the picture I have to blot "Halo 2" from my mind and remind myself it's a phone...

[dommasters]

$1200 for a big Pocket PC ? Wasn't this just an April Fool ? It would be funny if it weren't real 8O

[Tierran]

I think the people that look at the price adn say "well, you could get a laptop for that" miss the point entirely. Yeah you could. You could also buy a far superior desktop computer to either the laptop or this.

But this isn't a laptop. If you're not shopping for a laptop then who cares what else you can buy for the money. I'm sure we could make a nice list of things that you could buy for $1200. The question is...is the performance you get worth the $1200?

[Paragon]

I just don't see who would use this darn thing.


I think this guy completely misses the point of such a device. When considering devices like the HTC7500 we are talking about mobile devices. This is very important to remember. So having said that, when we compare it to a UMPC, yes, the UMPC has much more functionality, but as I said we are talking about mobile devices. Do we need all those bells and whistles in a mobile device? Most people don't. Most of us leave our desktop computing to be done on a desktop computer. When mobile we look for things that make it easy to use as a mobile device. things like instant on, or a GUI which is designed for mobile use on 5" and smaller screen, whereas a UMPC is using an OS that was designed for use on 15" screens and larger. This makes the HTC much easier and quicker to use on the move. The HTC 7500 takes the form factor pretty much to the limit as far as easy portability is concerned. Most UMPCs are bigger. Just that much bigger that they are now a pain to carry around.

Windows Mobile devices now have a huge list of software titles that work on them. There are lots of light versions of software that we use on our desktops that's now available for Windows Mobile devices, and they sync with the desktop component quickly and easily either through Activsync, or over the air.

I'm not for a minute going to say that an HTC 7500 is going to work for everyone who would compare it to a UMPC, but I have a feeling there are a large number of people who would be very satisfied with one over a UMPC, but have slipped into the "bells and whistles syndrome" instead of fully considering what works best for them as a mobile device.....I'll no for sure in a couple of days when my HTC 7500 review unit arrives. ;)

Dave

[k_kirk]

Typing this reply from one... The Dopod variant. Its great! Only gripe I have is that it comes with WM5. Not for everyone given the size and the price but its one device that replaces so many things from my belt and rucksack i can't say enough...

[virain]

I am self-employed, travel all the time, and my PPC phone is... my life pretty much. Very often I wish I had something small and mobile but with more punch in it. I look at this new "thing" from HTC, and I don't see how it could complement my lifestyle. It's too big to fit comfortably in my pocket, and doesn't have enough functionality, to make me to drag it around. At this point I am exploring options to purchase either OQO O2 (I would've done it already, if it had GSM/UMPC international connection instead of EV-DO), or Acer TravelMate C210 (C213), but the size is a little off the scale. But then again, There's HTC Shift is not too far away. Let's see what will be final spec list.

[dommasters]

I just don't see who would use this darn thing.


I think this guy completely misses the point of such a device. When considering devices like the HTC7500 we are talking about mobile devices. This is very important to remember. So having said that, when we compare it to a UMPC, yes, the UMPC has much more functionality, but as I said we are talking about mobile devices. Do we need all those bells and whistles in a mobile device? Most people don't. Most of us leave our desktop computing to be done on a desktop computer. When mobile we look for things that make it easy to use as a mobile device. things like instant on, or a GUI which is designed for mobile use on 5" and smaller screen, whereas a UMPC is using an OS that was designed for use on 15" screens and larger. This makes the HTC much easier and quicker to use on the move. The HTC 7500 takes the form factor pretty much to the limit as far as easy portability is concerned. Most UMPCs are bigger. Just that much bigger that they are now a pain to carry around.

Windows Mobile devices now have a huge list of software titles that work on them. There are lots of light versions of software that we use on our desktops that's now available for Windows Mobile devices, and they sync with the desktop component quickly and easily either through Activsync, or over the air.

I'm not for a minute going to say that an HTC 7500 is going to work for everyone who would compare it to a UMPC, but I have a feeling there are a large number of people who would be very satisfied with one over a UMPC, but have slipped into the "bells and whistles syndrome" instead of fully considering what works best for them as a mobile device.....I'll no for sure in a couple of days when my HTC 7500 review unit arrives. ;)

Dave
I've got an old Windows CE device you can have for just $1000. You won't have to worry with bells and whistles atall. I'll even throw in free p&amp;p. Let me know. :D

[Paragon]

I've got an old Windows CE device you can have for just $1000. You won't have to worry with bells and whistles atall. I'll even throw in free p&amp;p. Let me know. :D

Really funny Dom. Why do I get the feeling you only read once sentence out of my whole post. ;)

[dommasters]

I've got an old Windows CE device you can have for just $1000. You won't have to worry with bells and whistles atall. I'll even throw in free p&amp;p. Let me know. :D

Really funny Dom. Why do I get the feeling you only read once sentence out of my whole post. ;)
Sorry Paragon I just despair when I see a device like this for $1200. Probably just me as I'm saving for a Nokia N95.

[Rod3]

Well, it looks pretty derned good to me. I'm not crazy about the price, either, but I love the specs. I'd be very happy with one. I'm not all that thrilled with my UMPC.

[SteveHoward999]

The specs sre good. The price is not.

I've forked out $600 or thereabouts for PocketPC devices in the past. I'd pay similar, or a little more - but not double! - for a device like this.

I'm waiting to see what prices are slapped on the iMate Ultimate 7150 and the Toshiba G900 ....

[Paragon]

I've got an old Windows CE device you can have for just $1000. You won't have to worry with bells and whistles atall. I'll even throw in free p&amp;p. Let me know. :D

Really funny Dom. Why do I get the feeling you only read once sentence out of my whole post. ;)
Sorry Paragon I just despair when I see a device like this for $1200. Probably just me as I'm saving for a Nokia N95.

Dom, are you sure? You mean to tell me you would pay $950 for an N95 (http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=141579) but wouldn't pay $1200 for an HTC X7500?

I'm not trying to put you down at all, Dom. I just don't think the price difference between the two is that great. There may be good reasons to buy an N95 over this but price is a bad comparison.

And I agree that $1200 is too pricey for something like this.

Dave

[Eriq Cook]

$1200??? Why??? It's the same as my T-Mobile MDA with slide-out keyboard. There's really nothing additional or new that my MDA doesn't have. The only difference is form factor but quite frankly it's a little too big to just have Windows Mobile on it.

They totally missed the ball as far as the price on this product, I agree. $1200 for a Windows Mobile device with a detatable keyboard that doesn't offer anything new??? Come on, even the MDA Pro by T-Mobile (Europe) or iMate Jasjar is a better product IMO - similar form factor and specs and adequately priced between $400-$600.

What were they thinking? There's nothing "new" about this device except for a detachable keyboard. Is that worth $1200? I'd pay for it if it offered features that are WORTH the price, but $1200 is the same price as a fully functional notebook or tablet pc.

[Eriq Cook]

I think the people that look at the price adn say "well, you could get a laptop for that" miss the point entirely. Yeah you could. You could also buy a far superior desktop computer to either the laptop or this.

But this isn't a laptop. If you're not shopping for a laptop then who cares what else you can buy for the money. I'm sure we could make a nice list of things that you could buy for $1200. The question is...is the performance you get worth the $1200?

I don't agree. This is $600 more than what it should be. Every other Windows Mobile device is between $300-$500 with or without keyboards. I can't see how a larger screen or detabable keyboard is worth $1200. And price isn't an issue. I'd buy it if it were WORTH it, but I'd be a fool to pay that much for something my MDA with attached keyboard already does.

[dommasters]

I've got an old Windows CE device you can have for just $1000. You won't have to worry with bells and whistles atall. I'll even throw in free p&amp;p. Let me know. :D

Really funny Dom. Why do I get the feeling you only read once sentence out of my whole post. ;)
Sorry Paragon I just despair when I see a device like this for $1200. Probably just me as I'm saving for a Nokia N95.

Dom, are you sure? You mean to tell me you would pay $950 for an N95 (http://www.mobileplanet.com/p.aspx?i=141579) but wouldn't pay $1200 for an HTC X7500?

I'm not trying to put you down at all, Dom. I just don't think the price difference between the two is that great. There may be good reasons to buy an N95 over this but price is a bad comparison.

And I agree that $1200 is too pricey for something like this.

Dave

Defo sure.

1. I'd be scared of dropping the HTC X7500 during one handed operation.
2. The N95 is innovative and exciting. The 7500 is confused, stale and ... er ... BIG.
3. The N95 knows what it wants to be. The 7500 is pointless IMHO.
4. I like mechanical watches and the 7500 would likely destroy it.
5. If I want something that big I'll buy a desktop.
6. I'd lose the keyboard.
7. I've been there before with oversized versions of CE, PSION etc and NONE of them were successful.
8. People complain that the iPhone is $600 but this costs twice as much, is four times as big, and about half as interesting.
9. Okay you probably got bored of my reply before getting this far :)

Are you going to buy one Paragon ? Seems to me that people who like things like this always know somebody that would buy it ... but never buy it themselves. The UMPC version might do well, but this is just an overweight folly.

Just my opinion of course.

[SteveHoward999]

$1200??? Why???....

Come on, even the MDA Pro by T-Mobile (Europe) or iMate Jasjar is a better product IMO - similar form factor and specs and adequately priced between $400-$600.



I think the best machine to compare this to is the JasJar. Leaving aside subsidised purchases from carriers, I don't think I've yet seen the JasJar priced below $900 ... actually after a quick eBay check I take that back. It seems the price of the JasJar is finally down to around $600.

If it was Quad-band GSM, rather than Tri-band, and if it had been under $800 I would have bought a JasJar a long time ago. I'd put a similar price ceiling on the X7500 ... but then I'd want to check it out physically first. I don't mind a large device, but it's possible it's too big even for me!

[Nurhisham Hussein]

I had a chance to look the Dopod variant of this over - quite frankly I was disappointed. It was bigger than I expected (almost failed the pocketable test), and while the screen was gorgeous it would've been better if HTC plopped a 800x600 screen on this thing. The standard text sizes in VGA were actually TOO big for my taste. Plus, it appeared to lag quite a bit with the menus and screens, though I don't know if that was a factor of the software already loaded (it was a demo device, with some 3rd party software onboard), or if the processor was put into auto/power-saving mode. All-in-all, while I've been eyeing the Advantage as a possible successor to my ageing Loox 720, I'm giving this one a miss.

[SteveHoward999]

I had a chance to look the Dopod variant of this over - quite frankly I was disappointed. It was bigger than I expected (almost failed the pocketable test), and while the screen was gorgeous it would've been better if HTC plopped a 800x600 screen on this thing. The standard text sizes in VGA were actually TOO big for my taste.

I thought similar from the pictures. But you can always use SE_VGA to get true VGA then you can make better use of the screen.

... note that if they followed MS guidelines, even with an 800x600 screen the text would be the same size. I've posted before about how dumb it is to insist everything should scale on a PocketPC screen ... and a 5 inch screen like this, essentially forced into 320x240 mode, is the best proof you'll get of that!

[Eriq Cook]

The UMPC version might do well, but this is just an overweight folly.

Just my opinion of course.

I agree.

This device I think is too big to just run Windows Mobile. It offers nothing more except a detatchable keyboard. And the keyboard isn't even adjustable. If the keyboard were permanently attached and slidable/movable into the same position as pictured, maybe I'd pay the $1200 for it (I've yet to see a mobile device do this).

The problem with this device is that the keyboard is separate, and you can't quickly/easily put it in your pocket without detaching the keyboard, first. Keeping in mind the fact that you must store the device and the keyboard separately. That's inconvenient. It'd make more sense to just whip out a UMPC (for the same price).

It's just an overweight folly too, IMO lol.

[Paragon]

The problem with this device is that the keyboard is separate, and you can't quickly/easily put it in your pocket without detaching the keyboard, first. Keeping in mind the fact that you must store the device and the keyboard separately. That's inconvenient. It'd make more sense to just whip out a UMPC (for the same price).

It's just an overweight folly too, IMO lol.

Eric, if this is your only "folly" with this device, you'll be quite pleased to discover that the keyboard attaches and unattached in only a second or two, and is stored as a complete unit. The keyboard can be left unattached to allow the device to be used as a tablet type device like any standard Pocket PC device.

I'm not about to try to convince people who find a UMPC more to their liking that the X74500 is somehow better for their needs....no way! I'll never disagree with valid well made points. However I am always quick to reply to comments that are not well thought out or based on misinformation. ;)

Dave

[Paragon]

Are you going to buy one Paragon ? Seems to me that people who like things like this always know somebody that would buy it ... but never buy it themselves.

No I'm not buying one. My mobile needs have changed considerably as of late, and for personal reasons items like this are going to be taking a backseat in my life, at least for the next few weeks or months. If I was still traveling about Canada doing trade shows as I used to I would have already jumped on one of these. If things change back for me in the coming weeks I will likely buy one.

The comments that there is nothing really new in this device are very true, except for one thing, screen size. I personally think that changes everything. The viewing capabilities of this device enhances mobile devices tremendously. If one does not place a high value on viewing capabilities on a mobile device I don't think you are going to see the point of it. :)

Dave

[miterb]

FWIW, I just got the price down to 1100.00 or so. Tom Tom Navigator is included in the price.

As a PDA user ever since the Casio e125, I must say that something similar is what I would look for when my Dell X50v wears out. I am retired and do not have corporate paying for my phone bills so I am not yet into mobile phone internet access. I probable have $800 + invested in my Dell once I added on GPS, Keyboard, cases, modem, cards. That does not include a camera which is 3.0 mp on the 7500. And then, if I had added a good wireless phone with bluetooth to the mix, I would probably be at the $1000 mark. Add another $100 and I would have my HTC!

Brad

[SteveHoward999]

The comments that there is nothing really new in this device are very true, except for one thing, screen size. I personally think that changes everything. The viewing capabilities of this device enhances mobile devices tremendously. If one does not place a high value on viewing capabilities on a mobile device I don't think you are going to see the point of it. :)


As a matter of interest, the same hack that gives 'true' VGA on a PocketPC can also be used to give 1024x768, or any other resolution you care to try (don't go too silly!). That might actually prove useful on this machine ...

[Eriq Cook]

The problem with this device is that the keyboard is separate, and you can't quickly/easily put it in your pocket without detaching the keyboard, first. Keeping in mind the fact that you must store the device and the keyboard separately. That's inconvenient. It'd make more sense to just whip out a UMPC (for the same price).

It's just an overweight folly too, IMO lol.

Eric, if this is your only "folly" with this device, you'll be quite pleased to discover that the keyboard attaches and unattached in only a second or two, and is stored as a complete unit. The keyboard can be left unattached to allow the device to be used as a tablet type device like any standard Pocket PC device.

I'm not about to try to convince people who find a UMPC more to their liking that the X74500 is somehow better for their needs....no way! I'll never disagree with valid well made points. However I am always quick to reply to comments that are not well thought out or based on misinformation. ;)

Dave

My only true folly is the price. I'm already aware the keyboard is very easily detachable and works unattached. My basis for the keyboard comment was the lack of functionality--for the price. In otherwords I could justify the price if the keyboard were permanently attatched and more movable/flexible. But, it only fits one way and therefore not easy to use "in the air" or one-handed operation.

[Paragon]

one-handed operation.

LMAO.....One handed!!! No way this device is even intended for one handed use. If you want one handed use, stay very far away from the X7500.

Dave

[netboy]

[quote=Darius Wey] Do we need all those bells and whistles in a mobile device? Most people don't. Most of us leave our desktop computing to be done on a desktop computer. When mobile we look for things that make it easy to use as a mobile device. things like instant on, or a GUI which is designed for mobile use on 5" and smaller screen, whereas a UMPC is using an OS that was designed for use on 15" screens and larger.

"UMPC designed for 15" screen and larger?" LMAOL
if u can read the texts and see the icons on a 2.8" pdaPhone screen, u cant see the icons and texts on a 5" UMPC??
ya, UMPC is designed for 15" and larger! LMAOL
i guess MOVIES is designed for big screen in theater, so we shouldnt watch movies at home!
"Do we need all those bells and whistles in a mobile device?"
ya, my bother is still using a pentium 3 600mzh laptop, since all he does is surf the web, he doesnt need no Pentium dual core. since this 5" athena brick is priced around same price as umpc. i going to price my bro pentium 3 600mzh to a laptop running on pentium dual core. so u want to buy the pentium 3 for 1200$??

[Paragon]

As a matter of interest, the same hack that gives 'true' VGA on a PocketPC can also be used to give 1024x768, or any other resolution you care to try (don't go too silly!). That might actually prove useful on this machine ...

Thanks Steve. I'll check it out next week. If you or anyone has a link to one of those apps it would be appreciated. I went on a cleaning binge the other day and deleted them thinking I wouldn't have use for them again....arg. ;)

[ricksfiona]

It's tough. It's a great design. But for that keyboard to be REALLY functional, it needs to be bigger. Plus, I think the price needs to be around $800. Tops.

[Dyvim]

I'm seriously considering the 7501 as a replacement for my aging Toshiba e830 when it comes to Amazon.com in July. Be curious to see what the price is then. Will also be considering the Ultimate 7150 and maybe the Toshiba G900 (although the screen is too small physically for my tastes although I dig the 800x480 concept). I guess I'm living in the past, but I really wish it had CF + SD slots instead of mini-SD only. Personally I'd gladly trade the 8 GB HDD for a CF slot but that's just me.

For me the main selling point is that 5" screen + graphics chip.

[Dyvim]

"UMPC designed for 15" screen and larger?" LMAOL
...
ya, UMPC is designed for 15" and larger! LMAOL

Before you laugh too many parts off you might try re-reading Paragon's post. He said the OS (i.e. XP or Vista) was designed for 15" screens - which I believe to be true.

edit: post attributed to Paragon not Darius

[netboy]

"UMPC designed for 15" screen and larger?" LMAOL
...
ya, UMPC is designed for 15" and larger! LMAOL

Before you laugh too many parts off you might try re-reading Darius' post. He said the OS (i.e. XP or Vista) was designed for 15" screens - which I believe to be true.

ya, i guess u also believe in MOVIES was designed for big screen in theater! and we shouldnt watch movies at home!
and VIDEO GAMES was designed for video game arcade, and we shouldnt be playing video games at home, or playing with Nintendo DS or Sony PSP!

[SteveHoward999]

As a matter of interest, the same hack that gives 'true' VGA on a PocketPC can also be used to give 1024x768, or any other resolution you care to try (don't go too silly!). That might actually prove useful on this machine ...

Thanks Steve. I'll check it out next week. If you or anyone has a link to one of those apps it would be appreciated. I went on a cleaning binge the other day and deleted them thinking I wouldn't have use for them again....arg. ;)

Here's what you need to know http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=365279

I tried the by-hand reg edit a while ago and got 1024x768 on my E830. Today screen and everything was messed up, fonts were a tad small (!!!), but if I was motivated enough I could have fixed that and other things. The point is it worked. 800x600 on the 5 inch screen on the 5700 should be usable.

Oh, and I have often used LogMeIn to access my laptop with it set to scale to 1024x768 ... yes it's small and a little fiddly, but I can do all I need, swapping occasionally to unscaled for dialogue boxes etc.

[Paragon]

Thanks Steve.

[bnycastro]

I think it's too big for Windows Mobile. But it will probably have it's takers too. I can't get over the fact that it has a bigger screen than my current main PC [SONY VAIO VGN-UX280P] :D

[cgavula]

I know a lot of people are saying it isn't worth the price, but I'm not so sure. Right now a PPC phone with GPS is going for $500-$800. Using that as a start, this device adds:

128MB RAM (vs 64 on most PPCs)
8GB HD
5"VGA screen (vs 2.8-3.5 in QVGA on most devices)
624MHz processor (vs 200-400MHz on most devices)
3MP camera (vs 1-2mp for most devices)
2nd VGA camera in front)

I think you get pretty close to justifying the extra $400-$600 (the memory upgrade to existing devices is about $150 + $80 for an 8GB microdrive + whatever value can be assigned to VGA + higher res camera + 2nd camera). I don't think it's that far out of line pricewise considering you can get it for a little over $1100 all in one package.

The real question is do you have a use for those features? If not, then this has no real value for you - if so, then it might have a lot of value over a UMPC.

[Dyvim]

ya, i guess u also believe in MOVIES was designed for big screen in theater!

Actually, yes I do believe movies (at least cinema movies) are designed for big theater screens. And for most movies, that is indeed where they look best.

and we shouldnt watch movies at home!

I don't understand why that would follow from my belief that movies were designed for a big screen. I watch movies on my 4" VGA Toshiba PDA all the time. I also watch them on my TV. So what? I do realize that a movie on my PDA doesn't look as good as a movie on my HDTV which in turn doesn't look as good as seeing it in a theater. It's a trade-off in cost, convenience, and quality. So I fail to see your point.

Paragon's point was that Windows Mobile is an easier OS than fullblown Windows XP to use on a tiny device because it was specifically designed for tiny devices. Does that mean no one should use XP on a UMPC if they so desire? Of course not. And no one's arguing that Windows XP can't do more than Windows Mobile. Of course it can. But in many cases it is easier and faster to perform simple tasks on a small device with Windows Mobile than with XP.

edit: post attributed to Paragon not Darius

[netboy]

I watch movies on my 4" VGA Toshiba PDA all the time. I also watch them on my TV. So what? .

Darius' point was that Windows Mobile is an easier OS than fullblown Windows XP to use on a tiny device because it was specifically designed for tiny devices. Does that mean no one should use XP on a UMPC if they so desire? Of course not. And no one's arguing that Windows XP can't do more than Windows Mobile. Of course it can. But in many cases it is easier and faster to perform simple tasks on a small device with Windows Mobile than with XP.

so, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEMS?? u have no problems watching movies on your 4" VGA toshiba pda. so what is wrong with getting a 5" UMPC instead of that 5" htc brick?

and AGAIN, U DONT KNOW WHAT U TALKING ABOUT! try to surf internet and see who is faster. sony ux280p with 1.2Ghz cpu, 1G ram. how much does this HTC 5" brick has? 624mzh and 128M ram. if i going to spend over 1000$, i want something that can LET ME ACCESS ANY WEBSITES JUST LIKE I'M AT HOME! can u do that on a 5" htc brick?

Darius' point was that Windows Mobile is an easier OS than fullblown Windows XP to use on a tiny device because it was specifically designed for tiny devices.

this statement might be true if it' tiny! a 5" brick is NOT tiny!

[dommasters]

The $1200 is the problem. If it had $2000 of accessories and cost 'just' $2200 then the price would still be a problem. The spec is a joke given the devices it will be compared with given it's price and size.

[crispeto]

Well, I can't speak for everyone else. For some, this may be the exact device they are looking for. If you spend the $1200 and you like it - then it's worth it. For me, I honestly wouldn't trade my Tmo Dash straight across for it (except to sell it and buy another Dash and a whole lot more). But that's only because the Dash does everything I need. Some will buy the Advantage and love it and who am I to say otherwise?

[Darius Wey]

Before you laugh too many parts off you might try re-reading Darius' post.

Darius' point was that Windows Mobile is an easier OS than fullblown Windows XP to use on a tiny device because it was specifically designed for tiny devices.

For clarity's sake, I believe most of the points you refer to are Paragon's, not mine. I've been incorrectly quoted in half of this thread's posts, but it's too much of a mess to fix. ;)

[dommasters]

Before you laugh too many parts off you might try re-reading Darius' post.

Darius' point was that Windows Mobile is an easier OS than fullblown Windows XP to use on a tiny device because it was specifically designed for tiny devices.

For clarity's sake, I believe most of the points you refer to are Paragon's, not mine. I've been incorrectly quoted in half of this thread's posts, but it's too much of a mess to fix. ;)
He he I heard a politician say that once :D

[Dyvim]

For clarity's sake, I believe most of the points you refer to are Paragon's, not mine.

Fixed in my posts. That's what I get for not re-reading the original posts myself! :oops:

All that aside, bring on the Advantage 7501 with WM 6! I can't wait to play with one to see how it feels.

[wshwe]

I can't stand the limited functionality of WM Pocket Outlook and Mail. No more PDAs for me! If I ever get another another Windows device it'll be an UMPC.

[Darius Wey]

I can't stand the limited functionality of WM Pocket Outlook and Mail. No more PDAs for me! If I ever get another another Windows device it'll be an UMPC.

If you want a more powerful set of features, consider trying out third-party applications such as Pocket Informant and FlexMail.