HP Rumors: hw6500/6700 Release Delayed and More...

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Folks, I have direct word from a reliable HP source that the release of the hw6500/6700 is being pushed back to November. While several pre-production units have been created, HP is supposedly extremely wary about repeating the same fiasco caused by their hp6315 PPCPE. Also, just to confirm (or squash) the preconceptions about the OS or wireless capabilities involved, the hw65xx <b>will</b> include WiFi (along with Bluetooth and GPS) and the current plan is to launch with Windows Mobile 5.0 (Magneto).<br /><br />In the meantime, two other devices will likely launch before then: the hp6325 and an HP Smartphone (MS-based). The hp6325 will be similar to the hp6315 except it will be manufactured for Cingular users. I'm assuming that they've also improved the overall device reliability, but forgot to ask.<br /><br />Finally (and slightly OT), I hear the overall mood of the company is getting brighter under new Chief Executive Mark Hurd! We'll just have to wait and see how this impacts their delivery going forward.

[hotweiss]

Does anyone else see the 240x240 screen as a handicap? For a device of this size VGA is possible or at least 320x320.

[mikelaaron]

Any news if the PDA or smartphone will support EDGE?

I have my doubts that the PDA will support EDGE, especially if it's just a variation on the T-mobile version.

Any ideas?

[DaleReeck]

I think I read somwwhere that it will support EDGE.

But November? That's a pretty extreme delay. I can see a few months late, but six? Unless they decided to add the WiFi from scratch. Then six months would not be impossible. But even then, to add such a major feature so late in the development cycle is also pretty extreme.

[gmontielh]

Does anyone else see the 240x240 screen as a handicap? For a device of this size VGA is possible or at least 320x320.

Would like to see this resolution at the very least. Definitely a plus to have wifi.
Also, wasn't there an initiative to have a Treo running Windows Mobile? Love the Treo size and saw the pictures comparison a few days ago. The HP device still looks bulky.

[carphead]

Made me smile as I received a postal catalogue from Dabs today telling me all about this!

Even contemplated buying one from then! The I realized that it's made by Hp and wouldn't buy another hp device. Why I'd want to risk having a hp phone I'd never know. They should stick to printers and servers. The only two areas they're still the best at!:)

[CrashX]

Does anyone else see the 240x240 screen as a handicap?
Absolutely! I've always thought of it as a step backwards.

[mikelaaron]

I think I read somwwhere that it will support EDGE.

But November? That's a pretty extreme delay. I can see a few months late, but six? Unless they decided to add the WiFi from scratch. Then six months would not be impossible. But even then, to add such a major feature so late in the development cycle is also pretty extreme.


I was wondering if the the hp6325 (cingular version of T-mobile 6315) would support EDGE, or if it's simply the same as the 6315

[Pdaholic]

So if WIFI is now on the 6500...What's the difference between the 6500 and the 6700?!? That was the main difference (and a card slot) that we knew of before. This is some COMPLETELY different info than we have heard repeatedly over the last few months.

It makes sense, though, that HP would wait until Magneto could be installed. That they would put WM2003 on it from previous reports sounded ridiculous, especially in light of the past week.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

So if WIFI is now on the 6500...What's the difference between the 6500 and the 6700?!?
Good question.

I wasn't specific enough in my questions to deduce if one or both models would support WiFi (wasn't actually thinking of both models when the conversation came up).

I can only vouche that I heard at least one of the two models will support it. I brought it up b/c there had been some rumblings of it not being supported.

[KTamas]

Does anyone else see the 240x240 screen as a handicap?
Absolutely! I've always thought of it as a step backwards.
Same here. I'd never buy a device with a square screen due small res. and incompatibility problems.

[Jason Lee]

bluetooth, wifi, gps, and a phone. plus duel slot and a built in keyboard... this sounds like a very nice device to me. :)

i really like the look too. very tempting. but i'll be getting an HTC Universal. :D

i just want one of all ppcpe so i can play with them... LOL

i would much rather hp hold this device and release it with WM 5.0. remember how mad everyone was when the last hp phone came out with the old os just as wm2003se was released? we wouldn't want that again would we?

power users aren't gonna buy this device, at least not many. but wow it has a nice set of features.

[seaflipper]

Interesting "theory" about the hw65xx being delayed. I guess HP UK, HP Netherldands, iPaqchoice got a lot of 'splaining to do about why they say May/June/July 2005?

Interesting..HP needs to get a handle on the internal documentation of this device so all their divisions are in lock step

[JGUI]

I can only hope, they (HP) will not burn up HW6500
...like Motorola did with MPx.

Should we start to pray? :)

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

Interesting "theory" about the hw65xx being delayed. I guess HP UK, HP Netherldands, iPaqchoice got a lot of 'splaining to do about why they say May/June/July 2005?

Interesting..HP needs to get a handle on the internal documentation of this device so all their divisions are in lock step
Well, the timeframe you mention was the originally intended timeframe.

Several HP enterprise customers in the US had been expecting the same thing, so they're having to deal with the same letdown in the US as well. I don't know the specific drivers behind the decision though (were product flaws revealed during QA?)... only that they're supposedly very sensitive about repeating the hp6315 situation.

[Ed@Brighthand]

I can only vouche that I heard at least one of the two models will support it. I brought it up b/c there had been some rumblings of it not being supported.
From what I've heard, the hw6500 will not have Wi-Fi, but the hw6700 will.

[MS Mobiles]

Folks, I have direct word from a reliable HP source that the release of the hw6500/6700 is being pushed back to November.

Sorry, with all due respect, but I have a direct word from reliable HP sources that this and most of what you wrote in this posting is incorrect.

Time will show... 8)

[Jason Lee]

My source at hp says that it will have 2 Gb of ram and run win xp embeded. It will be released tomorrow and ship with a pink plastic flip cover... 8O

:lol:

[PPCMD]

I guess I'm going back to sleep, someone wake me when we have a firm date and price along with what its really going to have. 8O

[austinguy23]

My source at hp says that it will have 2 Gb of ram and run win xp embeded. It will be released tomorrow and ship with a pink plastic flip cover... 8O

:lol:


LMAO

[Jerry Raia]

I have a hard time believing HP will deliver any of this.

[peterg]

In the meantime, two other devices will likely launch before then: the hp6325 and an HP Smartphone (MS-based). The hp6325 will be similar to the hp6315 except it will be manufactured for Cingular users. I'm assuming that they've also improved the overall device reliability, but forgot to ask.


I know that the h6320/h6325 will be released (or may actually be released now) in Canada for Rogers Wireless customers. I am not sure the information about Cingular is correct.

I've had an h6325 on demo for 2 weeks and the specs were just posted on the HP.CA web site http://www.hp.ca/products/static/ipaq/.

[UCCOFFEE]

If it delays, it ll definately end up like moto MPx...
Slow CPU and large /heavy ... although it's GPS, but still...no hope at all.... :devilboy:
Better look forward to new HTC ppc phone :D

[Jerry Raia]

I've all but given up on Moto and HP. My 4705 has to be soft reset every time I want to turn on BT. My MPx220 was of poor quality to say the least. What's with these companies?

[PPCMD]

Well thats easy they expect us to upgrade every 6-12 months. But I don't buy the 65xx having WiFi and Magneto, the 67xx maybe. Otherwise the only differene would be the processor and thats hardlly worth offering two models over they would just choose the better one.

My other issue with the 65xx is WM03SE will developers start moving towards WM05 and forsake the 03SE 240x240 needs.

[halr9000]

Folks, I have direct word from a reliable HP source that the release of the hw6500/6700 is being pushed back to November.

Sorry, with all due respect, but I have a direct word from reliable HP sources that this and most of what you wrote in this posting is incorrect.

Time will show... 8)

I second that. No offense man but you got some crucial details wrong. I work at HP. 6500 doesn't have wifi, 6700 does. I've also heard conflicting info about the Magneto but I don't have the official word on that.

Slow CPU and large /heavy ... although it's GPS, but still...no hope at all.... :devilboy:
Better look forward to new HTC ppc phone
I don't have any hard data on the CPU perf, but the unit isn't large. It's almost exactly the length &amp; width of the 4100, but a little deeper and a little heavier. Kinda like the ipod vs ipod photo. And besides, it /is/ a new HTC phone. HTC made it.

[hotweiss]

I've all but given up on Moto and HP. My 4705 has to be soft reset every time I want to turn on BT. My MPx220 was of poor quality to say the least. What's with these companies?

If you are buying a cell phone, you definately don't want to go with Motorola. Worst build quality out of all the big manufacturers... Go with Nokia or SE, if you want quality.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

No offense man but you got some crucial details wrong. I work at HP. 6500 doesn't have wifi, 6700 does. I've also heard conflicting info about the Magneto but I don't have the official word on that.
Easy there... I already stated in this thread that I had neglected to clarify in my conversation with the HP rep which of the two models had WiFi...

That part of the conversation went like this...

Me: "Is WiFi supported?"
HP Rep: "Yes"

&lt;.. next topic ...>

Certainly the topic on these units weren't planned on my part, I was meeting the rep to discuss enterprise strategy &amp; partnerships, but then the subject of the hw65/6700 came up and I was told that while demo units were available, it had been a recent decision to push out the release date to November.

That source could be absolutely be wrong. I'm only stating what I've been told. After all, there is a reason why the thread title has the word "Rumor" in it...

[Paula]

Hi,
I am so out of touch with what is going on in the PPC world lately.

I know shame on me. BUT there are other things that have taken me away.

So, Magneto? What is this? Isn't Magneto an X-Men character?

Up until this week, I had no desire to replace my cute 2215. However, I am getting the itch with the release of WM05. I will be sticking to my previous requirementwhich is the device must be dual slot. I have relaxed a bit though. Before it had to be CF and SD, but now 2 SD will be ok.

Where can I find prototype photos of the new HP models??

I will most likely stay with HP because I have never and I mean never have had any problems with my 2215. I still love it, but can see it's time to come into year 5 of the 21st century. :D

Now for phones as an aside:
I just purchased a Sanyo mm7400 (mm5600 isn't out yet here)
and I love it. But then I spotted the Nokia 7280 and began to salivate. But buying that would mean I would have to switch to a different carrier and well - I really don't want to do that. With my current carrier I'm not locked into a plan, but I do have the lowest calling rates available and my calls get billed to my home phone and I don't have a regular monthly charge. I like it this way. BUT I suppose I could carry 2 phones. :D

[Darius Wey]

So, Magneto? What is this?

Magneto is the code name for the new Windows Mobile platform - i.e. v5.0

Where can I find prototype photos of the new HP models??

Here's some: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39477

HP have actually listed the hw6510/hw6515 on their European sites. Here are links for HP UK:

hw6510 - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-12158042.html
hw6515 - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-12158068.html

[choard]

I want a 6500, BUT I can't wait until November because:

o The processor is already too slow NOW. By Xmas 2005/Jan 2006 - HA!
o The screen is too low rez. Why not take the lead and make a new standard? Look at the screen on the Dell PPC, or the new PSP. Crap is not where it's at.
o The operating system will be 3 years old by the new release date of November; only a fool would buy it UNLESS they sell a owner firmware update as Compaq did back in the day (yes, I am a long time iPaq user!)

Trust Blackberry to not sit idle and hand away marketshare while HP frets in the fault design labs. If you launch in November, you need competitive intel to tell you where Blackberry and the Treo will be by then, and then DO BETTER.

Chas

[halr9000]

o The processor is already too slow NOW. By Xmas 2005/Jan 2006 - HA!
o The screen is too low rez. Why not take the lead and make a new standard? Look at the screen on the Dell PPC, or the new PSP. Crap is not where it's at.
o The operating system will be 3 years old by the new release date of November; only a fool would buy it UNLESS they sell a owner firmware update as Compaq did back in the day (yes, I am a long time iPaq user!)


I agree with much of what you are saying here, but I'm pretty convinced there will still be a market. I'm going to wait for it anyway.

CPU: It's a slow CPU. However I don't watch movies on my h4100 now, nor would I on a hwh6500. Other than loading a large webpage with many pictures, I really can't think of any task that I have to wait for. No, it's not very forward-looking though.

Screen: This is a tough one. I'm really going to have to have it in my hand and install some of my apps before I can say this is a worthy compromise or not. I would have preferred 480x480. I have absolutely zero problems with the square aspect ratio, the software will figure that out.

OS: If HP doesn't make Magneto available for free, they will be making a mistake. But with the delay who knows, it might come out with WM5 pre-installed.

All that said, the reason I am still interested in this device (or at least giving it the benefit of the doubt) is this: battery life

If it had a 500 or 600mhz cpu &amp; a 480x480 screen would it last 3 days with the GSM radio on? I've seen one report on ipaqabilities.com that the hw6500 as is will do this. I am willing to consider sacrificing a bit to keep the standby time somewhere near what today's non-PDA cellphones will do.

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

In the meantime, two other devices will likely launch before then: the hp6325 and an HP Smartphone (MS-based). The hp6325 will be similar to the hp6315 except it will be manufactured for Cingular users. I'm assuming that they've also improved the overall device reliability, but forgot to ask.


I know that the h6320/h6325 will be released (or may actually be released now) in Canada for Rogers Wireless customers. I am not sure the information about Cingular is correct.
Looks like Jon just confirmed it here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=344877&sid=9085cc70dbfa7c21d98db3ff57763167).