Another iPAQ 4000-series -- the 4150?

[Janak Parekh]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/preview_hp_4150.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/preview_hp_4150.asp</a><br /><br /></div>Pocket PC Italia isn't slowing down -- now they have a preview of another rumored iPAQ, the 4150.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/parekh-20030918-iPAQ4150.jpg" /><br /><br />The expected specs on this unit are interesting -- 400MHz XScale, 64MB of RAM, BT &amp; WiFi built-in, but only SD -- sort of a cross between a 5450 and a 1940. It's .53" thick and 4.4 oz, so it's certainly very close to the diminuitive end of the iPAQ lineup. It'll be interesting to see if this makes it to market.

[Gremmie]

All I have to say is bravo to Pocket PC Italia, they've had some interesting articles in the past year. Not to mention the "Top Secret" flash video.

[dma1965]

This would be perfect if only they included a CF slot so I could use my GPS. I might buy it anyway and invest in a Bluetooth GPS. I just love the smaller size iPaqs. Despite all of its quirks, the 2210 I recently bought is my favorite Pocket PC ever.

[T-Will]

As long as the battery life is good, then this pretty much is my dream PDA! :ppclove:

(a little more RAM would be cool though)

[iomatic]

GREAT specs. But :) , add a hi-res screen and 10+ hours battery life and THAT would be my dream PDA... almost there...

[Myrddin]

Okay! This is really looking nice. I can see this being what I upgrade to from my 5450 in a few months -- if it's real!

[johncl]

Yeah, I still stick with my Ipaq 3970 and really like this device, especially when coupled with a NavMan GPS.

All these new slim-form Ipaqs seem to reduce the possibility for expansion sleeves like before. Although it makes the unit a bit too big to lug around in your pocket, its great for e.g. car use. How are these Compactflash based GPS'es compared to e.g. the NavMan. Do they work well?

The main thing I miss is battery lifetime. Some 10 hours would be nice! :)

[mjhamson]

I will be more then willing to ditch my 2215 for this!!!! That is of course if they did not muff the screen like they did on 1940/5 series.

I have a question though. Why is everyone still doing the whole usb wrapper over serial? why haven't we moved on?

[Zensbikeshop]

Yeah I'll be Ebaying my 2210 if this is released.

Having played with a 1940 this week I love the size but second the repsonse above about the 1940 screen!

If they could use the 1910 screen in this device it would be a killer.

Having had my 2210 since July I have never used the CF slot so SD only is fine by me.

I REALLY hope this sees the light of day!

[Andy Whiteford]

This would be a great device although I'm curious at the dimensions. Having both Bluetooth and WiFi would be great but you need a good capacity battery to support these features and the 900mA battery in the current 19xx series just doesn't cut it. I also thought that was one of the reasons for bringing in the Samsung chip over the XScale in the 19xx series.
Still, if this device materialises, I would be very interested.

[David C]

If this device can be made, how hard would it be to make a ipaq 5xxx series with built in SD and CF slot plus GSM/CDMA.

[SaxAndViolins]

Saw the 4150 in a corporate presentation today. Can confirm the specifications, and it is identical in size to the 1940. The main differences are as you can see on the face of the device (buttons, extra LEDs, etc.), and the back of the PDA is now charcoal in colour, rather than silver, as it is on the 1900 series. Also, the infrared port has been moved to the bottom of the PDA, next to the connector.

The connector is apparently the same as that of the 2200 series, and so it will support the same devices, such as keyboards.

Launch date here in HK is mid-November, and the price will be approximately HK$4000 (US$512), meaning a probable $499 price point in the US.

[SaxAndViolins]

Forgot to mention that, in the same corporate presentation, the HP people talked about a landscape-oriented device with a 4" screen, coming Q1/Q2 2004.

[felixdd]

But no flip covers huh?

[Jimmy Dodd]

Also, the infrared port has been moved to the bottom of the PDA, next to the connector.


That is about the worst possible place it could be. How in the world are you supposed to beam anything with your device turned upside down??? :roll:

[macpel]

8O This is my dream device.... There goes my 2215 when this comes out. Now only if they could include a flip cover and I'd be in heaven.

[Zensbikeshop]

Also, the infrared port has been moved to the bottom of the PDA, next to the connector.


That is about the worst possible place it could be. How in the world are you supposed to beam anything with your device turned upside down??? :roll:

Beaming! Ugh! How Twentieth Century :wink:

IR is dead, long live Bluetooth :D

Based on me not even knowing where the IR port is on my 2210 (is it on top?).

[Paul]

Based on me not even knowing where the IR port is on my 2210 (is it on top?).

yes, it's on the top. I think my 2210 will hold me over for awhile until new formfactors/designs start popping up.

[vovillamor]

Now this model looks interesting.

I used to think that a dual-slot PPC was a must, just so that I could have a memory card in one, and be able to switch wireless cards (between Bluetooth and Wi-Fi) in the other. Although I'd use Wi-Fi more, I've always wanted a Bluetooth Phone and PocketPC combination. And I really don't plan to use the expansion slots for anything more than wireless.

Since this unit has both Bluetooth and Wi-Fi, I think I can do without a second memory card slot...after all, my main use for the second slot would primarily be for wireless cards. I know the iPAQ 5500 has both Bluetooth and Wi-fi, but it is simply out of the price range for me. If this new iPAQ is more affordable [meaning priced between the iPAQ 1900 and 2200], then this model will be very appealing.

[AppleMac]

Forgot to mention that, in the same corporate presentation, the HP people talked about a landscape-oriented device with a 4" screen, coming Q1/Q2 2004.

Whoa 8O
Do they mean the dream device that was in the Top Secret flash presentation?
Did they say anything about GSM/GPRS?

[huangzhinong]

Also, the infrared port has been moved to the bottom of the PDA, next to the connector.


That is about the worst possible place it could be. How in the world are you supposed to beam anything with your device turned upside down??? :roll:

From brighthand frontpage story, h4150 will bundle nevo remote software, so I guess the IR is still on the top.

[bdeli]

Do they mean the dream device that was in the Top Secret flash presentation?
Did they say anything about GSM/GPRS?

Last night I was at the Ontario Pocket PC Users group meeting and we had Marwin Najjar of HP Canada doing a presentation. He assured everybody at the meeting that next year they are coming out with something BIG - hinting at an integrated device.

[eustts]

Having just upgraded to a 5555 from 5455, I would have to say that this would be a great device with 128mb ram or more.

I also agree that it should at least be able to go 8+ hours on a battery as well.

Also, how does Pocket PC italia get all the rumours and pictures first? Just seems wierd at times...

[caywen]

The 1945 is only lacks wifi - no big deal because I hate paying out the wazoo for a service that is only very marginally useful. For serious browsing and work, I use my laptop in my company's wifi system. So, I really never ever need to use wifi on my PDA. It's such a corner case usage.

The 1945 is thinner.

The 1945 costs $150 less.

Hence, the 1945 is the better buy IMO.

Oh, and I disagree about the screen - I've noticed the "defect" but never actually felt it impaired my usage at all.

[ricksfiona]

If this device came with 128MB of RAM, I'd get this over the 5550. Though IR on the bottom doesn't make much sense.

[Pocket PC Dubai]

I was hoping this device will come with a CF slot :(

He assured everybody at the meeting that next year they are coming out with something BIG - hinting at an integrated device.

8O then I will have to wait!
again :?

[T-Will]

I'm also thinking of ebaying my 2200 for the 41xx...the IR port on the bottom seems a little hokey to me though...

[Zensbikeshop]

I think the 4150 would probably be my last PDA as more and more I'm feeling that a Smartphone would suit my needs - but I may end up with both. I am getting a newly released Smartphone to play with in just over a week so I'll see how I get on with that.

I mostly use my iPAQ for PIM functions (Pocket Informant) so I'm interested to see how well that works.

Mind you it also depends on how good Outlook 2003 is; I spend so much time in front of a PC that I'm thinking that will be used for most data entry and the Smartphone will give me access to it on the move.

I'll know in a week or so I guess.

As far as landscape and keyboard goes it would need to be Sony UX50 size with auto landscape/portrait rotation and utilising a bigger screen (3.8" maybe) than the Sony.

Now that would be interesting....

Maybe one of those and a Smarthone..... so many toys and so little time! :D

[gohtor]

The 1945 is only lacks wifi - no big deal because I hate paying out the wazoo for a service that is only very marginally useful. For serious browsing and work, I use my laptop in my company's wifi system. So, I really never ever need to use wifi on my PDA. It's such a corner case usage.

The 1945 is thinner.

The 1945 costs $150 less.

Hence, the 1945 is the better buy IMO.

Oh, and I disagree about the screen - I've noticed the "defect" but never actually felt it impaired my usage at all.

I agree. if you really need the wifi you can get the sd wifi card. and the fact that the screen is "worst" than the other ipaqs is just because people are out comparing them. For the price I'd still pick the 1945 over this new upcomming model.

And regarding the IR at the bottom, I suppose it's possibly a good thing for ir keyboards if they ever design one. But yes it is a definate deviation from the rest of the ppc units. I would have assumed that microsoft had previously defined locations where an ir port should reside to get the pocketpc logo. I read on another post that the dpad is purely optional if it is a ppcphone... lol talk about big time problems playing some ppc games!

[Axman]

Is it just me, or is there no side scroller on the 4xxx series??

For me that might be a deal breaker!

[bradolson]

looks like a very nice option. we need more ppcs with bluetooth and wifi, not one or the other.

brad

[Pocket PC Dubai]

The size of this pocket pc is amazing! If it only had CF slot in addition to Wifi and BT, then I will be able to use a GSM/GPRS card with it. But then if they were able to produce a pocket pc at this size I believe they can include a GSM module, I don’t mind it at all if it was slightly thicker!

[prismejon]

Forgot to mention that, in the same corporate presentation, the HP people talked about a landscape-oriented device with a 4" screen, coming Q1/Q2 2004.

That's perfect! I'll be able to buy one in the USA when I'm taking a study-year over there :D

[Palmguy]

As long as this thing has wifi built-in, and stays below $350, I'll pick one up. That's my only gripe with my 2215, no integrated wifi.

[Kathy_Harris]

Why wouldn't they put in SDIO? I'd like to confirm that it has serial on the bottom for a keyboard.

[zul277]

I think the 4150 would probably be my last PDA as more and more I'm feeling that a Smartphone would suit my needs - but I may end up with both. I am getting a newly released Smartphone to play with in just over a week so I'll see how I get on with that.

I mostly use my iPAQ for PIM functions (Pocket Informant) so I'm interested to see how well that works.

Which smartphone is that? I'm waiting for the 6600 to be released but for some reason the PPC bug has bitten me. Not really sure if i should buy both a smartphone and a ppc. I dont want to carry a ppc with a bulky smartphone.

BTW i', planning to get the 2215. Will not wait for the 41xx in mid november. I'll use a cf wifi adapter which i can get in singapre fot about US$40