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Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 01:48 PM
<a href="http://www.flashenabled.com/mobile/stn.html">http://www.flashenabled.com/mobile/stn.html</a><br /><br />Mr. Torrone has obtained the trailer for Star Trek: Nemesis, the upcoming 10th installment in the Star Trek movies for your Pocket PC. So warp over to his site and download the 2.4MB WMV file<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2002/20020627-sttngnemesis.gif" /><br /><b><i>ENGAGE!</i></b> &lt;!><br /><a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2002/warp.wav">Click here for the rubber band sound effect</a>

Foo Fighter
06-27-2002, 03:19 PM
Considering how bad the previous ST movies were, it's hard to get excited by Nemesis. Generations was a stink bomb. First Contact was fairly decent. Insurrection was flat out awful. :o

It's gotten to the point that I no longer watch these films in theatres. I just wait for them to be released on DVD. :?

Jason Dunn
06-27-2002, 03:22 PM
Considering how bad the previous ST movies were, it's hard to get excited by Nemesis. Generations was a stink bomb. First Contact was fairly decent. Insurrection was flat out awful. :o

SACRILIGE!!!!

:twisted:

With the exception of Star Trek I, most of the Star Trek movies have been quite excellent. If you didn't like the movies, you probably didn't like the series, so why bother at all? :wink:

Foo Fighter
06-27-2002, 03:35 PM
With the exception of Star Trek I, most of the Star Trek movies have been quite excellent.

ST II was excellent! ST III was ok. ST IV was pretty damn cool. ST V was......well, that movie was so bad it killed the franchise. ST VI was the last movie featuring the "Original Crew", because ST V was so bad.

There still hasn't been a movie made that beats ST II. The plot was original and compelling. And from beginning to end, it was non-stop action.

Contrast that with Insurrection which is based around a small group of planetary inhabitants at the ass end of space, who are the victims of a vengeful blood feud. :roll:

If you didn't like the movies, you probably didn't like the series, so why bother at all? :wink:

I like the original series. TNG is too sanitary for my tastes. Picard is a wuss. He always talks his way out of a fight. DS9 was fairly decent. Voyager was a waste of good carrier waves. Enterprise is EXCELLENT. Unfortunately, I don't get to watch it all the time.

Jason Dunn
06-27-2002, 03:48 PM
Ah, I see the issue. Star Trek has always been just as much about intellectual and moral battles as physical phaser fights. Star Wars it is not, but that's what I find so appealing about it. Picard a wuss? Never! He was a complete hard-ass, but an explorer at heart not a millitary commander - thus he was loathe to use violence to solve a problem. When he did though, he gave no quarter. :D

Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 04:04 PM
My 2c
ST-I was ok, though I really enjoyed the director's DVD
ST-II was the best ST movie
ST-III was worse than II
ST-IV was worse than III
ST-V was an embarrassment
ST-VI was almost as good as II
ST-VII almost as good as VI
ST-VIII better than VI, but not quite as good as II
ST-IX was probably equal to VI.
ST-X - Sadly, it looks like the last one. :-( At least for this "generation"

ST-TOS was good for its day, but it is tiresome now looking at the crinkly plastic seran wrap with red lights blinking in it representing "entities."

ST-TNG is hands down the best ST series.

DS-9 was barely tolerable and the only ST series I have not seen in its entirety. Nor do I have a desire to.

ST-Voyager was decent but the cast never gelled the way ST-TNG did.

Enterprise is easily the best ST series since TNG, but after only one year, it cannot claim victory.

I think it is time to retire the current ST timeline. Let "Enterprise" run its course in the past, but flash forward another 100-150 years with an entirely new series/cast on the Enterprise-H, maybe in about 4-5 years.

Foo Fighter
06-27-2002, 04:17 PM
I think it is time to retire the current ST timeline.

Amen. Personally, I think the studio should simply end all Star Trek movies completely. The plot and characters are all the same, and the franchise has lost its edge. It is becoming as bad as the X-Files.

Enterprise is probably the best series I've ever seen. I would even say it is as good as the original. Let the series run for a few years, and then begin making movies based on this crew.

pt
06-27-2002, 04:42 PM
i'd like to make a teen targeted series called star trek academy. all your favorite pop idols, at the academy. weekly shows will also have musical guest.

that's right britney you're going to the academy, but watch out! kelly osbourne is out to get you and she's rigged the shuttle pilot simulation!

rubberdemon
06-27-2002, 04:43 PM
Of course, if this movie follows the semi-famous Star Trek pattern, it might be OK, as if you'll notice, all the even numbered movies have been much better than the odd numbered movies. As this is an even-numbered film, presto, quality!

Of course if it sucks it will blow the pattern, but so far it's been pretty accurate... Spooky, eh?

Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 05:49 PM
i'd like to make a teen targeted series called star trek academy. all your favorite pop idols, at the academy. weekly shows will also have musical guest.

that's right britney you're going to the academy, but watch out! kelly osbourne is out to get you and she's rigged the shuttle pilot simulation!
You are dangerously close to being banned pt. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jonathan1
06-27-2002, 05:50 PM
:cry: I hear the might be offing Data in this movie. That Brent. (The actor) Demanded it.

With all due respect to star trek history Rick "the moron" Berman has done a wonderful job of flushing the entire franchise down the toilet.

I personally have liked the Next Gen movies more then the original (With the exception of II, and IV) The cast seems to have more "fun" with each other vs the original cast. Something that shows through on the screen and does make a difference in how the story flows.

As for the series. Next Gen was my first and best loved of the series.
The original series has its charm but the acting is almost unbearable. Esp from Shatner. Kirk must have done some serious upper body strength training. I was always impressed how he could take out anyone with a single Karate chop. Bam.....down he goes. :lol: Wish I could do that.

Never could get into DS9. A space station?!?! What the heck where they thinking?!?!!?? Voyager again had its charm. But lacked substance. If 7 ‘o 9 didn’t show up in that oh so tight ….. *coughs* anyways if she didn’t show up the show would have gone under way before season 7.

Enterprise. I started off thinking this is blasphemy. Flying in the face of what Gene wanted for the future. Next Gen was a good blueprint of how Gene saw the future. No poverty. War a distant memory. Then what happens. DS9 shows up blasts the crap out of that idea. Voyager stayed on track with gene’s vision of Star Trek. Then I hear about Enterprise. How its going to be grittier. More down to earth. And thinking “well the other shoe dropped. Berman finally gave into Paramount, :o the greedy bastards, and give them the show they wanted not what Gene would have wanted. But I watched and dang it if I don’t like Enterprise A LOT. 8O The previous series always took at least 3 season to find their groove. Enterprise already has a nice beat just starting out.

I do think the series is starting to be played out though. The need to take it into new directions. Back when there was little to NO info on Enterprise. I saw a post on a discussion board theorizing that the show might take an Outer Limits approach to the series. Where each week a new crew. A new situation. A new location. Obviously that didn't happen. But its a good idea nonetheless.

Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 06:17 PM
:cry: I hear the might be offing Data in this movie. That Brent. (The actor) Demanded it.
Everyone else is aging gracefully. Very hard to expain why an android is aging though, and it is showing. Go back and look at a season 1 episode and look at this trailer. Everyone has aged, but "Data" shouldn't. Brent is 52-53 years old for pete's sake.

I think he wants to reprise his Mama's family role (http://www.expage.com/page/mamafamilysyn). See #54. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tom Eichers
06-27-2002, 06:40 PM
I read that the Director of the new movie is doing things his own way, ie. not following the guidlines very closly. In some cases the actors have told him that my character would not do it that way and he says it does now.

So it should not look like a Berman or Frakkes.

I also love the new Enterprise. I have been collecting them for viewing on my iPaq durning slow times, Its great to be in a meeting and watching Enterprise on the iPaq while everybody else is bleeding from the eyeballs because the meeting is so boring.

pt
06-27-2002, 07:40 PM
You are dangerously close to being banned pt. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:

well, i've recently had my comments taken off this board without permission and posted as part of a interview-style article on brighthand, so i want to add some more colorful things.

you'll see.

star trek academy will start spreading like a lovers rage in the colorado forest!

Jonathan1
06-27-2002, 07:52 PM
Ed....Brent is 52?!?!?!!?!?!? 8O Dang!!!!
Ummm *thinks* What if Data got into a horrable cab accident and messed up his face. :D

K now I'm worried. This Stuart Baird has only 2 major titles under his belt. Executive Decision and US Marshals. Neither of which I was impressed with. 8O

I guess I've been out of the loop for a while. I could sworn that Franks was to take the directing reins again?!?!!? He did such a good job in the last 2..... :twisted: I pray that Burman has the muchachas to keep this guy from going off and doing his own thing. Tom. while he may have the directors chair Berman is still producer. I have a feeling if the cast got bullied around by this guy they would all be complaining to Berman and...well use your imagination.

We'll see come this December. If it is bad. *pumps his shotgun* It be a Stuart hunt'n season. :twisted: Here wittle director director director
Just kidding..... :wink:

Jason Dunn
06-27-2002, 08:03 PM
i'd like to make a teen targeted series called star trek academy. all your favorite pop idols, at the academy. weekly shows will also have musical guest.

That was actually Gene Roddenberry's choice for a new series if you can believe it....not sure about the singing though. :lol:

leximaea
06-27-2002, 09:38 PM
[quote="Ed Hansberry
Everyone has aged, but "Data" shouldn't. Brent is 52-53 years old for pete's sake."]

OK, guess the ST Geek in me is coming out, but there WAS a ST-TNG episode late in the series that "explained" Data's aging. It was the one where he met his "mother" who turned out to be android like him. Anyway, apparently, there was an aging routine built into his subprocessors that caused him to physically age, and eventually perhaps even die after a really long life. Apparently built in so he'd be more human... or to make his human companions bond with him and not feel out of place.

Now, if I were a true ST geek, I'd be able to name the episode and quote dialog and translate into Klingon. :lol:

Venturello
06-27-2002, 09:48 PM
LOL. Quite AMAZING how they protected the file for only US, pocket pc owners!

NICE GOING FLASHENABLED!!!

Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 09:51 PM
OK, guess the ST Geek in me is coming out, but there WAS a ST-TNG episode late in the series that "explained" Data's aging. It was the one where he met his "mother" who turned out to be android like him. Anyway, apparently, there was an aging routine built into his subprocessors that caused him to physically age, and eventually perhaps even die after a really long life. Apparently built in so he'd be more human... or to make his human companions bond with him and not feel out of place.

Now, if I were a true ST geek, I'd be able to name the episode and quote dialog and translate into Klingon. :lol:
That was a routine for Data's mother. He did not have that program or the abilities to "age."

Jason Dunn
06-27-2002, 10:03 PM
LOL. Quite AMAZING how they protected the file for only US, pocket pc owners!

It's not that hard to "crack" - just think of the English equivalents, using proper casing.

pt
06-27-2002, 10:24 PM
LOL. Quite AMAZING how they protected the file for only US, pocket pc owners! NICE GOING FLASHENABLED!!!

email me directly, or as jason stated, it's really easy to figure out. it wasn't meant to be hard.

leximaea
06-27-2002, 10:32 PM
[/quote]
That was a routine for Data's mother. He did not have that program or the abilities to "age."[/quote]

I disagree. I think/remember/think I remember it was a comment (probably from Jordi) that Data was aging as well. Like one line.

Ed Hansberry
06-27-2002, 10:38 PM
I disagree. I think/remember/think I remember it was a comment (probably from Jordi) that Data was aging as well. Like one line.
Yup. you are right - if this link - http://www.angelfire.com/tn/SaveData/ - is correct. Althought that is Data being jettisoned in the trailer, right? Hmmm.......

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 02:16 AM
I disagree. I think/remember/think I remember it was a comment (probably from Jordi) that Data was aging as well. Like one line.
Yup. you are right - if this link - http://www.angelfire.com/tn/SaveData/ - is correct. Althought that is Data being jettisoned in the trailer, right? Hmmm.......
On second thought, nope. Remember "All Good Things...?" I know that timeline didn't happen, but it did clearly show data some 20-30 years later, and except for the fake gray skunk stripe in his hair, he hadn't changed. If he was meant to change, they would have aged him that episode along with all of the other characters.

CESkins
06-28-2002, 04:56 AM
That was a routine for Data's mother. He did not have that program or the abilities to "age."

Ed is entirely correct. Data's "mother" was an android created by Dr. Sung (Data's "father") after Data. She was more advanced in design that he was with pigments closely approximating human skin and hair color. She could even fool the transporter into thinking she was humanoid vs android. Most importantly she was programed to simulate human aging whereas Data was not. I suspect that the only thing she did not do was get sick otherwise a good doctor would be able to determine quite quickly if he/she had to operate that she was an android.

As for Nemesis, let's hope it turns out to be decent. Personally, I think that the Trek franchise has gone to hell in a handbasket with Gene Roddenberry out of the picture. Star Trek II was the best Trek movie ever released IMHO. It's been pretty much downhill from there with Trek V being at the absolute bottom of the barrell. I am sure we all remember memorable scenes from that movie such as Spock/Kirk/McCoy singing "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" and Cybok asking everyone to "share their pain" with him as the ultimate cross between John Edwards & a psychotherapist. :( Generations was an absolute joke despite having so much potential. Kirk dying by falling off a bridge was just not a dignified way for the "youngest captain ever in Star Fleet history" and perhaps the best ever ;) to die. I believe that many of the viewers and fans could write better scripts than I see the Trek franchise turning out. Enterprise has got me interested again. I especially like the "temporal cold war" angle as it gives the show some mystery and allows for future tech to make debuts every now and then. Hopefully the franchise will live long and prosper unlike some of the spin offs like Earth Final Conflict (now don't get me started on that series)....TNG and Babylon 5 have been two of the best SciFi series ever created for television...talk about storytelling and great supporting special effects. I suspect that Enterprise will live up to its heritage. ;)

st63z
06-28-2002, 06:31 AM
As for the series, TNG and DS9 kick butt, so does Enterprise ('cuz I luv T'Pol, yeah baby). Some of VOY are surprisingly enjoyable now in reruns (maybe it's the nostalgia factor). Likewise, TOS certainly has its fun-to-watch old-era charm :)

The ultimate x-over series would have T'Pol, Data, Picard, Worf, Sisko, and Jake & Nog (heck, let's throw in Kira & Dax, too), all on one ship. Or maybe just Data & T'Pol if it's a small ship -- can you just imagine the emotional drama and tension between the two :D

Jason Dunn
06-28-2002, 06:32 AM
As for Nemesis, let's hope it turns out to be decent. Personally, I think that the Trek franchise has gone to hell in a handbasket with Gene Roddenberry out of the picture. Star Trek II was the best Trek movie ever released IMHO.

I couldn't disagree more. :D The Star Trek franchise continues to evolve and improve. I was positively thrilled with all of the "new" movies that star TNG crew, and have watched each several times. Gene Roddenberry might have been the visionary that started it all, but Berman has done an excellent job of carrying on the tradition.

And despite initially not liking DS9, I grew to love the series after a while and felt it offered a unique insight into cultural/political issues that no other Star Trek series has ever done. Star Trek II the best ever? Bah - no way. It was good, but not THAT good. I personally think that FIRST CONTACT was the best movie so far - classic struggle of good vs. evil.

The trailer for Nemesis looks superb, and I know I'm going to love it! Long live Star Trek! :D

(my wife is sitting beside me as I type this and she thinks that "Long live Star Trek" is the geekiest thing I've ever said...she's probably quite right) :lol:

st63z
06-28-2002, 06:38 AM
I think "Long Live B5" might be geekier -- isn't one of your editors a B5 nutcase? :)

Pony99CA
06-28-2002, 09:22 AM
I guess I've been out of the loop for a while. I could sworn that Franks was to take the directing reins again?!?!!?

What kind of fan are you? It's "Frakes". :-)

I pray that Burman has the muchachas to keep this guy from going off and doing his own thing.

How will having Spanish girls help Berman keep the director in line? :-D

Steve

Pony99CA
06-28-2002, 09:24 AM
(my wife is sitting beside me as I type this and she thinks that "Long live Star Trek" is the geekiest thing I've ever said...she's probably quite right)

And yet it could have been so much geekier. Think "Live long and prosper, Star Trek." 8O

Steve

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 01:43 PM
I think "Long Live B5" might be geekier -- isn't one of your editors a B5 nutcase? :)
It is Ok. I like it better than DS9 by a long shot, and maybe better than Voyager, but not better than the others. Not even close.

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 01:50 PM
(my wife is sitting beside me as I type this and she thinks that "Long live Star Trek" is the geekiest thing I've ever said...she's probably quite right) :lol:
She will spend the next few decades perfecting the delivery of that look too. :? :lol:

Steven Cedrone
06-28-2002, 02:22 PM
(my wife is sitting beside me as I type this and she thinks that "Long live Star Trek" is the geekiest thing I've ever said...she's probably quite right) :lol:
She will spend the next few decades perfecting the delivery of that look too. :? :lol:

Ha!!! Has she got the "rolling of the eyes" thing down yet -> :roll:

My wife has that one down perfectly :lol:

Steve

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 04:11 PM
My wife has that one down perfectly :lol:
My favorite is the inaudible "sigh." She just shifts her upper body and tilts her head just so as if to sigh, but you can't hear anything, and you can't tell if she is almost mad, almost grossed out or almost geeked out.

Jonathan1
06-28-2002, 04:49 PM
I guess I've been out of the loop for a while. I could sworn that Franks was to take the directing reins again?!?!!?

What kind of fan are you? It's "Frakes". :-)

I pray that Burman has the muchachas to keep this guy from going off and doing his own thing.

How will having Spanish girls help Berman keep the director in line? :-D

Steve

How about cohanas? A brass set? ;)

HEY!!! I was in the middle of reimaging 60 PC’s at the time. So sue me for not paying attention to what I posted. :P ;)

Seriously though. I’m kinda bummed. I love Data. He’s such a cool character. 8O DAMN!! Who’s going to take care of Spot?!?!?! Hmmm I bet data left Spot in the care of Worf in his will!!! :lol:

Ivan
06-28-2002, 09:48 PM
It was good, but not THAT good. I personally think that FIRST CONTACT was the best movie so far - classic struggle of good vs. evil.


Amen! :)

Also, any plot with time travel in it has got my attention.

BTW, my wife has all your wives beat when it comes to the "look" and the rolling of the eyes about enything geeky...

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 09:56 PM
BTW, my wife has all your wives beat when it comes to the "look" and the rolling of the eyes about enything geeky...
Ever Instant Messaged your wife from your Pocket PC while she was at the computer? Oh man, my wife goes nuts when I do that. :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Hey babe. Can you bring me a refill when you get done emailing?"

Steven Cedrone
06-28-2002, 10:22 PM
"Hey babe. Can you bring me a refill when you get done emailing?"

Wait, how do you spell Cajones???? :wink: Not only would I not get the refill, I probobly wouldn't be able to find the Jornada the next moring either! 8O

To get this back on topic: was it just me or did it seem like ST:TMP (the first movie) was written by someone with the intention of filling a 1 hour time slot, and it was s t r e t c h e d out to make it a movie by using special effects....

Pony99CA
06-28-2002, 10:24 PM
I pray that Burman has the muchachas to keep this guy from going off and doing his own thing.

How will having Spanish girls help Berman keep the director in line? :-D


How about cohanas? A brass set? ;)


Close -- I believe the word is "cojones" (my copy of Bookshelf just confirmed that).


Seriously though. I?m kinda bummed. I love Data. He?s such a cool character.
Yep, I always thought Data was the MVP of the cast. Without him, there was so much that they couldn't have done. Earth would have been assimilated in "The Best of Both Worlds" if not for Data.

Saying "I am Ponytus of Borg" would be so uncool. :-D

Steve

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 10:24 PM
Wait, how do you spell Cajones????

S-T-U-P-I-D

Pony99CA
06-28-2002, 10:27 PM
Ever Instant Messaged your wife from your Pocket PC while she was at the computer? Oh man, my wife goes nuts when I do that. :lol: :lol: :lol:

"Hey babe. Can you bring me a refill when you get done emailing?"

No, but I did teach mine how to use AIM (with voice) so I could talk to my daughter while in India last year. Having to pay international phone rates would be such a pain.

Steve

Ed Hansberry
06-28-2002, 10:33 PM
No, but I did teach mine how to use AIM (with voice) so I could talk to my daughter while in India last year. Having to pay international phone rates would be such a pain.
I did that too when I was out of the country this year. Great $$$$ saver.

Ok.... who is the p'tak (look it up) that hijacked my thread?

Jason Dunn
06-28-2002, 10:52 PM
To get this back on topic: was it just me or did it seem like ST:TMP (the first movie) was written by someone with the intention of filling a 1 hour time slot, and it was s t r e t c h e d out to make it a movie by using special effects....

A movie? How about TWO movies! The "majesty of the Enterprise" shot in it's original cut lasted something like 10 minutes. They went WAY overboard with that movie...which is probably why ST II was so much better - they could only get better.

CESkins
06-28-2002, 11:54 PM
It was good, but not THAT good. I personally think that FIRST CONTACT was the best movie so far - classic struggle of good vs. evil.


Amen! :)

Also, any plot with time travel in it has got my attention.

First Contact was good but frankly I was more on the edge of my seat with the "Best of Both Worlds" parts I and II from TNG series. Watching the Borg wade through the fleet at Wolf359 was only bested by the clash in DS9 between the Federation fleet and the Founder's fleet. Watching the Enterprise wade through the busted/broken hulls of the destroyed ships @ Wolf359 just sent shivers down the spine...the Borg seemed unstoppable..."We are the Borg...resistance is futile...your life as it had been is now...over!" The two best Borg episodes IMHO are when Q first introduced Picard to the Borg (and humbled him quickly..."Q end this and I will do whatever you ask") and "The Best of Both Worlds". Even the Voyager episode where the Borg were being bested by Species 875 (I believe that was their Borg designation but I may be wrong) had me cheering and gripping my seat more than First Contact. The problem with a Trek movie is that they have to bring the audience up to speed on what's going on...that way everyone is on the same page when the action heats up...that leads to a lot of wasted screen time and filler dialogs. At the same time for those of us in the know, a lot of little things don't get answered...in First Contact, no screen time appears to have been given to explaining what happened between Worf and Deanna's romantic relationship (nor was there any mention of his interest in Jadzea Dax)...oh well. I see what appears to be a Romulan or Vulcan female in Nemesis but just what species do the "bad guys" belong to :) ...I have never seen that class of ships before.

Ed glad to meet a fellow B5 fan. IMHO B5 is almost as good as space SciFi gets. The Shadows and the Vorlons rock (best part is that they are not all powerful Q-like beings who just can't be bested...the younger races sure proved that in several battles). I for one love a mystery and B5 delivered a strong storyline all the way to the end (some of the episodes one can live without but most of them were very well done and weaved a very intricate plotline together).

bjornkeizers
06-29-2002, 07:46 AM
Heeyyy nice thread. We do indeed have some major geeks in here :lol: Including myself. I've been an ST fan for many years; my favorite is, believe it or not, DS9.

I know I know.. Don't say it. But It just fits better with my personality then the touchy feely TNG stuff.

As for the movies.. while I don't really like some of them, I don't really hate them either. The ones I liked:

- ST2.. I think it is.. The one with Kahn marooned on a planet? That one..
- Generations. I just *liked* it, except Kirk's demise.
- Don't know the one [hard to keep track of all the titles these days :) The one where they go back to save the wales.. The part with Scotty and the Mac. Priceless.

The ones I didn't like:

- First Contact. The whole thing just seemed off balance
- Insurrection. Part of me likes it, part of me wants to jump off a high bulding to forget it.

Kunle
06-29-2002, 03:30 PM
:? Here is what I can't figure out about taste, when it comes to ST: Some will say "That movie was bar none the worst ever", and then two posts later someone else will say "I really liked that one" The only constant about ST fans is we watch what they give us to at least have an opinion about it.

Having said that, let me jump into the fray. I have always been proud to say that I watched evey single TNG episode. I loved the series. Then when DS9 showed up, I watched it out of respect for "Mr Spencer for Hire": Avery Brooks. I was devistated by how the story lines emasculated Sisko in the early shows. I kept waiting for him to pull out a masive handgun or phaser and blow away some creep on the promanade, but no it was always , send Odo to read them their rights and book 'em. When they finally gave Sisko that kick ass little ship (The Defiant) and introduced the Dominion, Worf, and Gul Dukat, I really got into the series. Voyager was just unbearable to me. I could not help rolling my eyes at least four times per episode. Got to the point were my wife demanded I stop watching or watch in silence. She enjoyed seeing such a loyal fan torturing himself with loud signs everytime Janeway tried to play tough and especially when she would whisper out threats and orders. But I watched every episode of Voyager too. And now to the point of this post: Enterprise! I watched the first 3 episodes and when I finally got over the whole intro song bit, I decided that I was not going to do what I did with Voyager again, which was to suffer through it. I stopped watching! After 15 years of faithfully watching ST of one sort or another, I quit watching. Here's my question: why when I have decided to give up on Enterprise am I reading posts that people think Enterprise is great :?: What did I miss when I made my decision?

CESkins
06-29-2002, 07:52 PM
Here's my question: why when I have decided to give up on Enterprise am I reading posts that people think Enterprise is great What did I miss when I made my decision?

You missed the whole temporal cold war plotline. There is someone in the future who is trying to alter the course of the future by tampering with the missions of the Enterprise in the past...of course the Federation (if it is even called that) from even further into the future sends someone back through time to make sure that the future timeline remains intact. Very interesting stuff as I love a mystery...no one knows who the "bad guy" is and even whether the "Federation" envoy is telling the truth. :) Tune in for the resolution to last season's cliffhanger...it should bring you up to speed on this whole temporal cold war plotline. :D

Ed Hansberry
06-29-2002, 09:57 PM
You missed the whole temporal cold war plotline.
Yup. I agree. I'd watch the reruns this summer and get caught up.

Pony99CA
06-30-2002, 02:30 AM
Here's my question: why when I have decided to give up on Enterprise am I reading posts that people think Enterprise is great What did I miss when I made my decision?

You missed the whole temporal cold war plotline.

There's also the whole retro aspect -- seeing how the original "Star Trek" technology got to where it did in the later series. Just ignore the fact that the Enterprise of the original "Star Trek" isn't nearly as cool as the one in "Enterprise". :-)

At first, I was hoping that the next "Star Trek" series would take place in the universe of "All Good Things", the finale of "Star Trek: The Next Generation". Seeing Riker's ship cut through those Klingon ships like butter was very cool.

Also, I've always been curious how the Federation got its headquarters on Earth, given that there are species who have had warp capability since long before humans. Did none of those species think to organize before they met humans?

Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series. I was getting so bored of the TNG/DS9/Voyager openings.

Steve

Ed Hansberry
06-30-2002, 02:51 AM
Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series.

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I cannot stand the new theme. Reminds me of that "Believe it or not" crap from "Greatest American Hero."
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CESkins
06-30-2002, 03:59 AM
Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series.

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I cannot stand the new theme. Reminds me of that "Believe it or not" crap from "Greatest American Hero."
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Pony99CA I also like the new theme song. Quite a departure from the old monologue. Ed I can't believe you didn't like the "Believe It or Not" GAH theme song...shoot if the idiot didn't loose the instruction book he may have lived up to his billing :)

Kunle
06-30-2002, 05:00 AM
[quote]Tune in for the resolution to last season's cliffhanger...it should bring you up to speed on this whole temporal cold war plotline. :D

Well, now I'm exposed as to how big a fan I am. Even though I didn't watch past the third episode or so, I did tune in for the season finale, just to see if I had been too hasty. I know the story line you're talking about. The thing that struck me about the season finale was not the mystry of the plot, but the sheer unadulterated weakness of Capt. Archer in the face of adversity. True, they said they wanted to do things different on this series, but do you really think that in the future they will not have better tests to see if someone has the stones to capt the only star ship around? It wasn't until future guy showed up and started spilling the beans that Archer found he had the will to fight. Okay, okay, I know this post seems like it belongs on some sci-fi board, where the arguments for and against would go on and on and on and on ........

Oh well, I like PDAs, and I love sci-fi so to have a thread on this site that deal with the twin pillars of my interest has got me waxing eloquent. :)

Kunle
06-30-2002, 05:16 AM
Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series. I was getting so bored of the TNG/DS9/Voyager openings.

Steve

The funny thing about the theme song is on the first night of Enterprise, I was waiting for the credit music to play and when the music started, I thought, oh cool!, NASA is sponsoring Enterprise, cause they've snuck in a commercial before they show the opening credits. When it dawned on me that these were the opening credits and the music I was hearing was for a ST product, if I was insane enough, I would literally have pulled out my own hair.
Now for the really evil thing about the theme music. After the second week, when I was still reeling in disbelief at the choice of music, I found that on the following thursday morning I counldn't stop singing the song :!: :evil: I hate the song, but it is so catchy that I couldn't get it out of my head, even now as I type this (dam it!!), I'm humming the tune. Evil :twisted:

CESkins
06-30-2002, 06:46 AM
I hate the song, but it is so catchy that I couldn't get it out of my head, even now as I type this (dam it!!), I'm humming the tune. Evil

Kunle..."It's been a long road getting from here to there....it's been a long time but my time is finally near...I can see my dream come alive at last....I can touch the sky and they're not gonna hold me down no no...no they are not gonna change my mind". :twisted:

Jason Dunn
06-30-2002, 07:08 AM
Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series. I was getting so bored of the TNG/DS9/Voyager openings.

Eww. :wink: I think they should have kept "Wherever you will go" by The Calling if they wanted to break away from the orchestral stuff. That song was what made the trailer so cool - seeing Star Trek set to Rock N' Roll? How sweet is THAT?!? :D

(BTW, the album by The Calling (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005K9T9/jasonego) is really quite excellent)

bjornkeizers
06-30-2002, 07:29 AM
:? Here is what I can't figure out about taste, when it comes to ST: Some will say "That movie was bar none the worst ever", and then two posts later someone else will say "I really liked that one" The only constant about ST fans is we watch what they give us to at least have an opinion about it.

That's life. No argueing about taste.

I have always been proud to say that I watched evey single TNG episode. I loved the series.

Despite my non-enthousiasm for TNG I too watched every episode.. most of them like three times already. But.. I just don't *like* TNG.. Very strange, I know. It's just too Political Correct for me. Too huggy-touchy-feely. I mean.. they even have a friggin whiny counsellor!

Then when DS9 showed up, I watched it out of respect for "Mr Spencer for Hire": Avery Brooks.

I like Avery Brooks on the other hand. Especially the "late" version; the bald-with-beard-version.. He's just one tough dude. Strutting around with a phaser rifle like he owns the entire universe, go out and kick some ass f. everyone. I *like* DS9. [except the huggy touchy feely stuff]

[If any of the above sounds rediculous to you then.. TOO FRIGGIN BAD! :lol: ]

Kunle
06-30-2002, 01:19 PM
[quote]
Kunle..."It's been a long road getting from here to there....it's been a long time but my time is finally near...I can see my dream come alive at last....I can touch the sky and they're not gonna hold me down no no...no they are not gonna change my mind". :twisted:

As George Bush says: "We have to fight the evil doers where ever they are". I am forwarding your name to the white house :wink:

Pony99CA
07-01-2002, 03:44 PM
Finally, in my opinion, the show has the best theme song of any of the Star Trek series. I was getting so bored of the TNG/DS9/Voyager openings.

Eww. :wink: I think they should have kept "Wherever you will go" by The Calling if they wanted to break away from the orchestral stuff. That song was what made the trailer so cool - seeing Star Trek set to Rock N' Roll? How sweet is THAT?!? :D


Yeah, I liked that song, too. I had it on my iPAQ until this weekend. I wouldn't have minded if they kept that.

To maybe stir up more controversy, I also like the new opening video. :-)

Steve