11-08-2006, 08:00 PM
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Windows Vista Hits RTM
Earlier in the week, it was the 2007 Office system; just a few seconds ago, it was Windows Vista's turn to reach the RTM stage. General availability is scheduled for January 30, though business consumers will be able to pick it up at the end of this month. Windows Vista marks the start of something new in the world of Windows Mobile, as ActiveSync officially passes the baton on to the Windows Mobile Device Center. Are you ready for the switch? 
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11-08-2006, 08:20 PM
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Theorist
Join Date: Nov 2003
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I have to say that I am deeply disappointed by Vista. I first installed it last January (the Beta 2 version) and I immediately saw that Microsoft chose the wrong way...
The interface is too cluttered, information displayed on screen is less in comparison to Windows XP and the new interface....well, I hate it! My problem with Vista is that Microsoft didnt really change anything, they just hide all the well known Control Panel applets and presented these new "summary" web pages as Control Panel applets...I just dont understand the idea behind this change...
The User Access Control works really terrible and it only annoys someone. Microsoft should really copy Apple's implementation. They do copy everything from MAC OS, I just wonder why they miss that one...
The new Windows Explorer is certainly different than the previous one, I just need to get used to that. If anyone has worked with Finder, will see the similarities...
If someone wonders what Microsoft has been doing the last six years, the answer is easy: The first four years Microsoft tried to implement really cool features like WinFS, Avalon, etc. At the end of these four years they realized that these features were too far away from a release, so they completely stopped the whole project and started from the beginning!!!
What you will see in Vista is the work of the last two years!!!
I dont want to sound too negative here, but really I cannot find a really good reason to upgrade. On the contrary, I made the switch and I am using MAC OS the last 8 months and I am extremely happy with it.
On the positive side I would like to mention the new Backup Tool that allows the user to make an online image of his/her system. This image can be used with the Vista Boot DVD to completely restore a Vista installation.
The new Event Viewer is also very good and allows you to really drill down into the system. It provides a really centralized view of what is happening on the system.
The Hardware requirements are a killer and will make the most businesses stay away from Vista. For the home user Vista is certainly appealing if someone wants to have the latest (not the greatest!).
I am certainly that Vista will succeed, not because it is a good OS (it isnt!) but because of the whole OEM Model. Everyone that goes to the supermarket and buys a PC will eventually get Vista...Its really a shame that the market works like that...Its like VHS and Beta, VHS is like Windows and Beta like MAC OS...
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11-08-2006, 08:41 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Jan 2003
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I think he was referring if you are ready for the change for Mobile Center. I'm sure he wasnt talking about Vista itself.......LOL
Anyways, I welcome the new Mobil Device Center. It certainly cant be any worse than ActiveSync......
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11-08-2006, 08:44 PM
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Theorist
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Originally Posted by deemota
I think he was referring if you are ready for the change for Mobile Center. I'm sure he wasnt talking about Vista itself.......LOL
Anyways, I welcome the new Mobil Device Center. It certainly cant be any worse than ActiveSync......
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No, it cant get any worse than ActiveSync! 
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11-08-2006, 09:12 PM
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Sage
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Originally Posted by petvas
No, it cant get any worse than ActiveSync! |
Well maybe it can't get any worse than ActiveSync 4.x, but it can get worse than ActiveSync 3.x which (if you don't have to sync with WM 5) allows you to wirelessly sync over WiFi. But then again, I'm still using a WM 2003 SE device, so AS 3.8 still works for me.
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11-08-2006, 11:19 PM
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Pontificator
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Originally Posted by petvas
I have to say that I am deeply disappointed by Vista. I first installed it last January (the Beta 2 version) and I immediately saw that Microsoft chose the wrong way...
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I must admit, I largley agree with your first 3 paragraphs. I particularly disliked the way common tasks have been hidden by an extra layer of 'simplicity'. I can see why Microsoft added this irritating layer - they are trying to accomodate the common man rather than the Power User. But that's no real excuse for what appears to be a series of bacjkward steps.
Having said that, I am a developer and I have to cope with watever Micorsoft throws at us. I managed to buy myself a nice new laptop with 256Mb graphics, 200Gb HDD and Core 2 Duo chip. Should be enough grunt even for Vista :-)
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11-08-2006, 11:27 PM
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Theorist
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Originally Posted by SteveHoward999
Having said that, I am a developer and I have to cope with watever Micorsoft throws at us. I managed to buy myself a nice new laptop with 256Mb graphics, 200Gb HDD and Core 2 Duo chip. Should be enough grunt even for Vista :-)
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The new API is said to be good. maybe the changes for the developers are worth an upgrade. But yes, you are right, as a developer you have to follow...
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11-08-2006, 11:39 PM
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Originally Posted by petvas
The new API is said to be good. maybe the changes for the developers are worth an upgrade. But yes, you are right, as a developer you have to follow...
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I don't do Windows development. I use specific tools that (I hope) won't be overly upset by Vista or by Internet Explorer 7. So far, indications are there may be some issues but hopefully they are not going to remain long term.
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11-09-2006, 02:24 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Jul 2004
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I'll be sticking with XP (and AS 3.8 - for network/wifi sync and HPC compatibility) for the forseeable future, as only 1 of my devices will work with the new Mobile Device Center (I have mostly HPCs, and the 1 device is a WM2003 PPC). I haven't tried out Vista Beta2 or RC1 out yet though, since I don't have a spare PC with a dvd drive that doesn't already have a better OS on it (linux) :P
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11-09-2006, 02:57 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Jun 2005
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I probably won't be upgrading to Vista until I am forced too [i.e. I buy a WM device that requires it, or MS stops support for XP], I like to change my mobile devices a lot but not so much my notebook. Besides my notebook is only 1.83Ghz CoreDuo 1024 DDR2 RAM and Intel GMA, so it might not be able to run Vista anyway. Can we get Mobile Device Center for XP?
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