10-19-2006, 07:45 AM
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Web 2.0 and Mobile Devices
"... the inherent constraints of mobile phones and networks mean that many Web 2.0 services won't work well without some changes to accommodate those limitations."
Here's an interesting article that looks at why Web 2.0 may not play nice with mobile devices, but also looks at a client-based solution that covers some of the technical limitations. It's worth a read, especially since we're already seeing some of these services in action today.
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10-19-2006, 08:33 AM
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Interesting article.
I was a speaker yesterday on a (regional) W3C conference on using / accessing the Web (NOT specifically 2.0!) from mobile devices, where I�ve elaborated on the current Web (with very strong emphasis on my thorough tests of Web 2.0�s features like Ajax) accessibility situations on Windows Mobile (and, to a much lesser degree, mobile-based Linux like Sharp Zaurii). I�ve used a W3C-specific approach to the subject. That is, instead of, say, speaking about what features the GUI offers (does it support, for example, downloading link targets easily and so on), I mostly elaborated on compliance issues with current Web standards.
As opposed to what some people say (and what one would think based on the linked article), I�d say the situation isn�t at all bad � at least on Windows Mobile, where we have some really nice and standards-compliant browsers: Minimo, Opera Mobile, and aside from the poor CSS and even worse, as far as pre-AKU3 is concerned (still haven't had the chance to test AKU3 Ajax compliance), Ajax support, the WM5 PIE/IEM. That is, for us �full� Windows Mobile (not MS Smartphone!) users, Web 2.0 will be in no way as incompatible as some people say.
(BTW, here�s the PPT presentation if interested � sorry for the non-English language. Still, it may be worth checking out at least the headers, the references and the screenshots to see what I�ve elaborated on � that is, what needs to be emphasized on the current HTTP / HTML / CSS / JavaScript / Ajax / Java / Flash compliance of current Web browsers.)
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10-19-2006, 08:55 AM
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I actually blogged on this article a few hours ago.
http://eugenia.blogsome.com/2006/10/...jax-web20-css/
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10-19-2006, 02:11 PM
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yeah because that's what i want on my phone...5-6 different "clients" for all the services i use. :roll:
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10-19-2006, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by murph
yeah because that's what i want on my phone...5-6 different "clients" for all the services i use. :roll:
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Unfortunately, today, it's the only way of being able to access about 99% of the current contents available on the Web today. You need to use one client for a given Webpage, another for another etc.
Still, it's much better a situation than on the Palm or Symbian - even Nokia's latest OSS browser is, in my opinion, is definitely weaker than, say, IEM in AKU3 (Ajax!) + PIEPlus + Macromedia Flash 7 + CrEme JVM.
(I'll publish some more info on OSS later - I had the chance to play with it yesterday, on the W3C conference.)
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10-19-2006, 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Menneisyys
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Originally Posted by murph
yeah because that's what i want on my phone...5-6 different "clients" for all the services i use. :roll:
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Unfortunately, today, it's the only way of being able to access about 99% of the current contents available on the Web today. You need to use one client for a given Webpage, another for another etc. |
That's why I limit my mobile surfing. Well - a few reasons.
1, it's a lot slower than PC
2, a lot of sites are just not mobile friendly
3, I have no plans to try Web Site A on even 2 browsers, let alone 3, 4, 5 or even 6. If it fails on the device I have to hand, then, unless I have a strong reason to look at the site later on my PC or laptop, that site just lost my interest forever.
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10-19-2006, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveHoward999
That's why I limit my mobile surfing. Well - a few reasons.
1, it's a lot slower than PC
2, a lot of sites are just not mobile friendly
3, I have no plans to try Web Site A on even 2 browsers, let alone 3, 4, 5 or even 6. If it fails on the device I have to hand, then, unless I have a strong reason to look at the site later on my PC or laptop, that site just lost my interest forever.
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While I understand your position, I think the critical thing is that... Mobile devices cannot replace Desktops and will not. It wasn't and cannot be meant to. By sheer proportionate size, a desktop offers the advantage of being able to fit larger CPU's and HDD's and all that geeky goodness.
The mobile device should be considered an extension of computers. While I would love an UMPC or equivalent for my amusement, it is impractical to carry 24/7. I use handhelds as information storage and access. I get most things done through my handhelds during the commute, lunch and the left over I handle on my PC. Time I normally didn't get anything done in is utilized and my time at home on a PC is saved.
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10-19-2006, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybrid
While I understand your position, I think the critical thing is that... Mobile devices cannot replace Desktops and will not. It wasn't and cannot be meant to. By sheer proportionate size, a desktop offers the advantage of being able to fit larger CPU's and HDD's and all that geeky goodness.
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You do know that it is illegal to say "cannot" when talking about computing and electronics, don't you? ;-)
In many ways my pocketPC is more powerful than desktop computers of 10 or so years ago. So is my phone. The small screen and clumsy interface aside, mobile devices really can be used to replace many desktop features, but not all - yet.
In a few years time things will be rather different ...
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10-20-2006, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SteveHoward999
You do know that it is illegal to say "cannot" when talking about computing and electronics, don't you? ;-)
In many ways my pocketPC is more powerful than desktop computers of 10 or so years ago. So is my phone. The small screen and clumsy interface aside, mobile devices really can be used to replace many desktop features, but not all - yet.
In a few years time things will be rather different ...
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Nope, never* happen. Why? 10 years from now your 2.0 capable handheld will not be able to handle Web 3.0 desktop applications. Software improvements drive hardware improvements drive software developers to build larger applications to take advantage of hardware
improvements which are software improvements that drive hardware...ad nauseam.
*Quantum computing aside.
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10-20-2006, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Cybrid
Nope, never* happen.
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"Cannot" and "never" ...
I don't know what sto say. I thought everyone knew not to be so definitive about computing ;-)
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