12-09-2005, 09:00 PM
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Gartner Advises Enterprises Halt Blackberry Deployment
http://www.mobilepipeline.com/174903876?cid=rssfeed_pl_mwp
"Enterprises should not deploy or invest in Research In Motion's BlackBerry "until RIM's legal position is clarified," market research firm Gartner said this week. In addition, Gartner urged enterprises to demand that Research In Motion (RIM), which has been struggling in a patent action brought against it by NTP, should publicly detail its plans for a workaround should it loose its suit. Besides getting details on the workaround, enterprises should also "carefully review their legal and operational impact," Gartner said in a research advisory."
Perhaps I just don't get all the technical stuff here, but from a business standpoint, does anyone really think RIM will not beg/borrow/steal to get the funds to pay NTP enough to shut up about this?
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12-09-2005, 09:45 PM
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Pupil
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I don't know about you, but I am more bothered by the fact that as a premier research group, they can't even spell "lose" properly! :roll:
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12-09-2005, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by sooby77
I don't know about you, but I am more bothered by the fact that as a premier research group, they can't even spell "lose" properly! :roll:
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Your first mistake is thinking they are a premier research group. They're really just hack-shills for the software companies. Pay to play as they say. Secondly, if I know Gartner (and I do), then the report was probably much more ambiguous than this. It was probably followed or preceded by plenty of paragraphs that discount such a direct recommendation. It's hardly their style.
That said, RIM isn't going away. They may have to pay dearly for NTP's consent, but they aren't going out of business over this.
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12-09-2005, 10:47 PM
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Intellectual
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Squat-squat
Squatters unite! Patent-squatters, URL-squatters, home-squatters, parkbench-squatters! Why do something productive when you can just squat?
Do they (the squatters) deserve some compensation? Certainly (after all, they did show some cleverness in choosing "what" to squat on). But Hundreds of Millions?...(Talk about the ultimate free lunch...).
Intellectual property vs Opportunistic squatting. What about Intent and Damage? I'm curious:
Is there any evidence that the squatters intend/intended to launch a competing product?
What is the material damage that they have suffered?
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12-09-2005, 11:04 PM
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Magi
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Re: Squat-squat
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Originally Posted by LarDude
Squatters unite! Patent-squatters, URL-squatters, home-squatters, parkbench-squatters! Why do something productive when you can just squat?
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I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RIM acquire their big fat wallet by patenting every imaginable thumboard configuration, then sued everyone who dared to market one? It looks to me like they are being threatened with the sword they used to get where they are.
Dave
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12-09-2005, 11:07 PM
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Intellectual
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This reply is only tangentially relevant and basically a grumble so feel free to stop reading here.
For the most part, I have to say that I really don't care what happens. Never been a fan of blackberry devices, even less of those whose thumbs are glued to them 24/7 like in the men's room or in the middle of a funeral for heaven's sake.
Still, I wonder how many times a blackberry user has had to soft reset their device in say the last few months (276 or my K-Jam, yes that's a few times a day) or how many times they have to plug it in until it syncs (an average of three per sync for me about haldf the time requiring a soft reset). It's little wonder to me that there is an attraction to blackberrys (outside of the push email) like, for instance, it seems to just work.
Yes, I know that the PPC can do a thousand things that a blackberry can't. That's why I own one. But you know you have a problem when you won't do things with it for fear of it falling over as in disconnecting it from USB for a few minutes of normal use. If reliability continues to slip (and unfortunately it seems to be getting worse, not better), I seriously wonder what device I'll go with next.
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12-09-2005, 11:25 PM
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Intellectual
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Re: Squat-squat
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Originally Posted by Paragon
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Originally Posted by LarDude
Squatters unite! Patent-squatters, URL-squatters, home-squatters, parkbench-squatters! Why do something productive when you can just squat?
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I hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't RIM acquire their big fat wallet by patenting every imaginable thumboard configuration, then sued everyone who dared to market one? It looks to me like they are being threatened with the sword they used to get where they are.
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I dunno. That would be ironic, I agree. One slight contextual difference would be that a thumboard was actually part of their device and/or future devices, so one could look at it as "protecting their turf" in a very real and material way (again, Intent and Damage).
BTW, I've never owned nor even used a RIM/Blackberry device, so I have no vested interest in how this story eventually unfolds (correction: I guess if things go badly for RIM, WM5 could be a potential beneficiary). It's just that the action taken against RIM seems very "parasitic".
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12-09-2005, 11:28 PM
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I'm now using a UTStarcom PPC6700 (aka HTC Apache) running WM5, and have found the device to be more stable than my previous PPCs. Perhaps WM is improving.
Question...Does the Blackberry multitask? A multitasking OS can certainly suffer on the stabilty issue, although I've had bad days with the Palm OS too.
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12-09-2005, 11:36 PM
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Magi
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Originally Posted by JD Silver
I'm now using a UTStarcom PPC6700 (aka HTC Apache) running WM5, and have found the device to be more stable than my previous PPCs. Perhaps WM is improving.
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Sorry, this is off topic....I'll be quick. 
If I'm not mistaken Telus don't have EVDO in Edmonton yet. How do you like using the 6700 on 1x?
Dave
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12-10-2005, 04:39 AM
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Thinker
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Re: Gartner Advises Enterprises Halt Blackberry Deployment
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
Perhaps I just don't get all the technical stuff here, but from a business standpoint, does anyone really think RIM will not beg/borrow/steal to get the funds to pay NTP enough to shut up about this?
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Of course, you are right. NTP has no real interest in seeing RIM stop production. They are simply using our courts to extort the greatest amount of money from RIM.
I only hope that this case - and others like it - get our Congress to revamp our broken patent system.
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