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Old 08-06-2004, 11:00 PM
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Default FCC Rules Spam On Mobile Devices Illegal

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1634319218797387/

"The FCC have ruled that marketers must have explicit permission from anyone with a wireless device before they send them spam, a ruling eerily similar in scope to the CAN-SPAM act for email which has been largely ignored by spammers."

Well there you go. It is a law so spammers worldwide will quickly modify their email lists to ensure you have given them permission to hawk their wares on your SMS/MMS enabled device. :roll: Doesn't the government have something better to do? They'd have more success with a law allowing forest fires to burn for only 3 days.
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Old 08-06-2004, 11:29 PM
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spammers filtering their engines? Yeah right...that will be the day. Those people have no moral ethics to follow... as long as they continue to earn money, they will not care if they piss majority of people around them.
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Old 08-07-2004, 03:15 AM
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If they found a way to stop spamming you'd whine that there was no law to prosecute, now that they've tried to take a preemptive step you whine that they're wasting their time.
 
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Old 08-07-2004, 03:30 AM
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I'd be perfectly happy if they just found a way to stop it. Preferably without requiring the use of bandwidth on my end.
 
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Old 08-07-2004, 04:54 AM
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The only thing that'll stop a spammer would be a 9mm bullet. And I wouldn't have any problem with that.
 
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Old 08-07-2004, 11:03 AM
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If they found a way to stop spamming you'd whine that there was no law to prosecute, now that they've tried to take a preemptive step you whine that they're wasting their time.
I agree with Gremmie. This law could be more akin to the Junk Fax laws than the CAN-SPAM laws, and the feds really put the smack down on one junk fax company.

Is spam sent by SMS easier to track down than E-mail spam? Probably not if you can send SMS messages from any computer. However, it should keep merchants from using any kind of Location-Based Services to send ads to your phone just because you're in the vicinity. It should also keep legitimate telemarketers from spamming cell phones. I think those are good things.

UPDATE: Never mind that comment about SMS. It appears that the law only applies to E-mail, not SMS. In that case, I don't know why the FCC needs any kind of ruling -- I'd think the CAN-SPAM law would definitely apply. E-mail is E-mail regardless of the device it's being received on.

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Old 08-08-2004, 03:23 AM
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... :roll: Doesn't the government have something better to do? They'd have more success with a law allowing forest fires to burn for only 3 days.
Perfect analogy! I'm very interested to know the thought process behind development of these laws. It reminds me of the doctor who tells the patient to take 2 aspirins and if you don't feel better call him again in the morning. As far as he's concerned he resolved the call. He really didn't fix anything but the fire is out - or is it? The spammers will have a fix before the ink is dry - after all it's their livelihood that's at stake.

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Old 08-08-2004, 03:30 AM
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The only thing that'll stop a spammer would be a 9mm bullet…
I don’t know if any government could get that right either. I think we would only see a lot of law makers walking around with holes in their feet. I would be interesting to see if the foot would still be in the mouth when they made the hole if it would help out their thought process the next time around?

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Old 08-08-2004, 08:30 AM
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... :roll: Doesn't the government have something better to do? They'd have more success with a law allowing forest fires to burn for only 3 days.
Perfect analogy! I'm very interested to know the thought process behind development of these laws.

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The spammers will have a fix before the ink is dry - after all it's their livelihood that's at stake.
I guess you don't get how laws work. No law can ever prevent somebody from doing something; it merely describes the punishment for those who decide to break the law and get caught. The hope is the threat of that punishment will be enough to discourage most people from committing that crime.

For example, there are laws against burglary, but burglars still steal "because their livelihood is at stake". Do you think that makes laws against burglary stupid?
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Old 08-08-2004, 02:39 PM
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...I guess you don't get how laws work. No law can ever prevent somebody from doing something; it merely describes the punishment for those who decide to break the law and get caught. The hope is the threat of that punishment will be enough to discourage most people from committing that crime….Do you think that makes laws against burglary stupid?
I cannot say that I'm an expert on the ways that laws are supposed to work but...

There is always the deterrent factor that should "discourage most people from committing a crime". I think that we agree 100% on that point. That is a prime ingredient for the creation and "thought process" of any law.

Here in NY the penalty for late payment of county tax was paltry at best. People were intentionally paying their taxes late since they were able to make more money keeping it in the bank than the punishment would cost them by paying late (Cool). The fix to that was to raise the punishment. Although the punishment did not entirely stop the practice, that industry collapsed. Why, because there was no money in it anymore. This is the same reasoning with a seatbelt laws, capital punishment laws and most notably the 3 time looser law. A person who is a 2-time looser will really think hard before he/she boosts another grocery store. So "laws against burglary" are not stupid. We agree again 100%.

Laws are not stupid but when a law doesn't even give the appearance of attempting to solve the problem at hand people become interested in what the thought process behind the reasoning was. The spam laws that I've seen have no bite at all and will not stop any spam from coming our way. There's still a lot of money in it. Do you really think that these anti spam laws do anything? This is where we might disagree.

While it is a start these spammers are sucking the life out of bandwidth - for the user and for the ISP. Before I went to DSL I was getting 300-400 spam emails a day on one of my email accounts before I trashed it. To go through it became impossible and I finally bit the bullet and pulled the plug on that account (a business account). Spam is a problem today that needs to be addressed today not over the next 10 years. We are the ones footing the bill for these guys to be able to make their livelihood. This is money coming out of our pockets. You don't have to put these people in jail just pass a law(s) to at least take the money out of it. I'm tired of being ripped off! :evil:

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