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Old 07-24-2004, 09:00 PM
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Default Online Petition To HP To Offer Upgrade To WM2003SE

http://www.petitiononline.com/HPWMK...E/petition.html

A number of HP users are unhappy about the company's stance not to offer an SE upgrade for existing handhelds, and have set up a petition online to ask HP to change their mind. If you're an HP owner that feels this way, you may want to take a look and sign it.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:12 PM
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Signed. Not sure that it will make a difference, but I've signed it anyway.
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:24 PM
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Does anyone take petitiononline.com serious anymore? I mean, look at the front page: Bring Chrisite Clark back to Days of our Lives petition.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:27 PM
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Does anyone take petitiononline.com serious anymore?
I signed the e740 one and it never made a difference and I really doubt that this one would. One time it did work was when Milton Hershey School was trying to sell Hershey Foods but I am not sure if it was the petition or the massive community outcry that they'd sell the company that built the city of Hershey.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 09:59 PM
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Does anyone take petitiononline.com serious anymore?
I signed the e740 one and it never made a difference and I really doubt that this one would.
However, if we say nothing then we can be certain that won't make a difference.

This is a huge PR blunder from HP - I've been an enthusiastic customer since the Jornada 545 but the pattern of arrogance and disdain for customer concerns is getting depressing.
Let's look at a few gems, and typical HP responses:

Jornada 54x :The 12 bit display originally marketed as 16 bit.
"Some users may unfortunately think that when we said 16 bit we meant something other than 12 bit..."
Jornada 56x: Dust. Bigtime.
"Dust, what dust? You should get your eyes checked mate".
Various 2003-era PPCs: Yellow tinged screen
"<Silence>"
WM2003SE upgrades:
"You don't need that, little person"
2004-era PPCS: Only one VGA model.
"Only Enterprise Users could possibly have a use for VGA. Go away, little person."

Logically this will cause those of us contemplating buying one of the new HP models to pause and wonder whether we'll have any opportunity to upgrade to the Magneto version of the OS next year.
That will be a significant operating system upgrade, and well worth having.
HP might want to think about publicly addressing this question soon (it's reasonable to assume that they are working with early versions now, so it's not as if they have no idea whether the new machines will support it).
So on current form I expect silence, or worse.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:39 PM
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8O When I signed the petition 24 hours ago, there were ~330 signatures. Now there are 1100+!

Edit: this board has close to 18 000 members. Come on! Get signing!
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:39 PM
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I've signed and I have hope.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 10:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Kevin Daly
This is a huge PR blunder from HP - I've been an enthusiastic customer since the Jornada 545 but the pattern of arrogance and disdain for customer concerns is getting depressing.
Let's look at a few gems, and typical HP responses:

Jornada 54x :The 12 bit display originally marketed as 16 bit.
"Some users may unfortunately think that when we said 16 bit we meant something other than 12 bit..."
They also gave the opportunity to have users refund their units if they wished to do so. Same can't be said for other companies that make a booboo, but doesn't offer a refund (i.e. Viewsonic publishing that not all of its 64 MB ram is accessible to the user.)

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Jornada 56x: Dust. Bigtime.
"Dust, what dust? You should get your eyes checked mate".
Other units have problems with dust (i.e. Ipaq 36xx). And HP actually heeded customer complaints because the later roll-outs of the 56x series do not have dust problems.

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Various 2003-era PPCs: Yellow tinged screen
"<Silence>"
That's not a mistake/problem per se as it is a poor choice of parts. And not all the screens are yellow, nor do all the screen share the same level of "yellowness".

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WM2003SE upgrades:
"You don't need that, little person"
That's a call based on money and potential losses on their new units, which do not differ greatly from the older series besides the OS and a few other bells and whistles.

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2004-era PPCS: Only one VGA model.
"Only Enterprise Users could possibly have a use for VGA. Go away, little person."
They made a tactical choice. That's the same as all the PPCs relased before the e805, but after the high-res Sony Palms flooded the market: "no one needs more than 320x240".

In all fairness, I think HP is one of the better companies at ensuring that their products are functional even after its release. They releases patches regularly (2 patches exist for the 22xx series -- a lot more than other devices of other manufacturers). This is a lot different than Palm, which has yet to release driver-building information to Sandisk regarding the SD slot for some of its Palms (for the SD wifi card). And if I heard right, some of its older version can't possibly support the card either -- IMHO a bigger blunder than dust will ever be. As it stands, Palm is behind PPC in terms of wireless capabilities, that much is true.

So count your blessings. Despite a few mistakes, HP is still one of the best manufacturers around. And the fact that they finally included a flip lid into their new PPC -- something that other manufacturers still haven't started to do (even in the 56x days!) tells you that HP does listen to their customers, despite being a bit slow on this issue.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:14 PM
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felixdd - Sorry I can't quote, it would get huge, but to reply to some of your replies:
My point about the dust issue and the yellow screen was not to claim that they were universal, unique to HP or design choices. My point was their failure to acknowledge the existence of flaws.
With the dust issue, despite the fact that it was very common in the 56x, HP expressed great scepticism in their public pronouncements, almost to the point of arguing that whatever people were seeing it wasn't dust because it couldn't be.
As for the yellow screen problem, I have looked in vain for any acknowledgement from HP that anybody has this problem, or what component-purchasing or quality control steps they have put in place to avoid a repetition. The failure to acknowledge a problem and state what is being done to avoid a recurrence of that problem inevitably weakens faith in the quality of the product line.

When it comes to decisions about what will and will not be provided (such as WM2003SE upgrades), I'm unaware of any evidence that HP (and I do not mean to imply that they are alone in this) actually bothers to attempt to determine what their customers might actually want. I get the impression that a marketing executive decides for him/herself what we want. It wouldn't be that hard to test the waters to find out if there would actually be a viable market for an upgrade. In fact it would be logical for the registration process for iPAQs to include a question asking whether people would be willing to participate in surveys that would help HP refine decisions on future feature sets and so on.
 
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Old 07-24-2004, 11:15 PM
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I signed as number 986... guess a few more has signed since then.. by this time tomorrow it should be 10,000!!!!! (right guys!) Even if you don't have or care bout iPAQs then do it for your fellow PDA brothers.
 
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