06-12-2004, 04:45 AM
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Gmail And The Pocket PC
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06-12-2004, 04:57 AM
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Hacking the registry to emulate IE 5.x and higher doesn't work either.
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06-12-2004, 05:13 AM
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Google responds to user suggestions with the following:
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Originally Posted by Gmail Team
... You might be interested to hear that we are working on many upcoming
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- Automatic forwarding of your email to another account
- Plain HTML version of Gmail
- Import/export Contacts
We hope you enjoy Google's approach to email...
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So if this is the case, let's be patient  . In the mean time, this is something else we throw in the pile of PIE gripes: lack of proper Javascript support.
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06-12-2004, 05:42 AM
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I noticed the issue with Ed's screen shot as well. :bad-words:
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06-12-2004, 05:51 AM
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The one thing that is missing from the upcoming GMail features is the ability to inform senders that the messages they write to GMail users will be placed in a system that is being scanned in order to sell the (formerly) private information to advertisers. :evil:
If someone is willing to allow this invasion of their own privacy by Google, it's certainly their business, but I think it should be required to disclose that they are using GMail to anyone that they give their email address to. Of course, it would be fine if everyone that uses GMail simply always gives their GMail address, but unfortunately for those of us that would prefer not to have our private messages used for a third party's commercial purposes, GMail use can be hidden behind email forwarding. 8O
Perhaps Google should offer an "opt-out" list to assure that emails from people on the list will never be scanned by their system. In the meantime, GMail is an evil abuse of privacy. (BTW: I'm not heartbroken that it doesn't work on the Pocket PC. :lol: )
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06-12-2004, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by daS
The one thing that is missing from the upcoming GMail features is the ability to inform senders that the messages they write to GMail users will be placed in a system that is being scanned in order to sell the (formerly) private information to advertisers. :evil:
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There seems to be a lot of misinformation about Gmail. Google does not "sell" personal information. They simply generate customized ads that are most relevant to your email in order to subsidize the email service and make them a profit. The only time the advertiser gets a hint at what's in your email is when you click on the ads. At least Gmail doesn't place ads in your email like many other free providers do. The ads are discretely placed and are unobtrusive.
And for the data mining bit, Google makes it very clear that they want to gain the trust of the user by being very explicit in what it will do with your email. This committment is more than what we get from other providers. You have a simple way of deleting your account if their policies ever change. Don't worry about them keeping your info after it's deleted, because they also make it clear that they don't.
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06-12-2004, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Willmonwah
And for the data mining bit, Google makes it very clear that they want to gain the trust of the user by being very explicit in what it will do with your email.
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The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers, and because their user could have a different address forwarded to thier GMail account, I don't even know my message to that person is stored and indexed in the GMail account.
Of course I know that email is always subject to being mined by any server along the way, so privacy is certainly not guaranteed. But this is the first time that a legitimate company is making it their policy to read everyone's mail. :evil:
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06-12-2004, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by daS
Of course I know that email is always subject to being mined by any server along the way, so privacy is certainly not guaranteed. But this is the first time that a legitimate company is making it their policy to read everyone's mail. :evil:
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Whoa. 8O Wait a minute here. There are a number of problems with your argument.
First, employees at Google isn't reading the email - there's a piece of software that's scanning it. Much like, spam filtering or the MTA itself -- or even the mail reader. It's doing content analysis - but so does my spam filter and my rules engine.
Second, what about all the companies you send email to? How do you know they don't have admins actually skimming through the emails? Or tools capturing the email? Or a Carnivore box at the ISP? As soon as email leaves your server via SMTP, it is not private. If you want it to be private, encrypt it via S/MIME or PGP/GPG. That would act as the equivalent of an envelope. As it is, you're handing the Internet a bunch of bytes in plaintext. Every SMTP server along the way is reading your email to determine a destination. The router is reading the packet headers. Etc.
Put simply, I don't see how you can make the case for a privacy violation here.
--janak
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06-12-2004, 06:55 AM
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Re: Gmail And The Pocket PC
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Originally Posted by Ed Hansberry
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It is a beta, Ed.  Send 'em feedback if you haven't done so already. From what I've heard, they do very heavy Javascripting right now, and that they're working on a plainer, more browsers-compatible version.
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06-12-2004, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by daS
The problem I have with this is that they are mining messages that I might send when I'm not one of their customers...
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Sorry, but what I was trying to say was that Google currently does not mine your email en masse for info. I hope they never do so for profit (since they must cooperate with certain governmental requests). The ads next to your individual email messages are generated each time email is displayed on your browser and that's the magic. The only person who sees that ads are they same people to whom you send your email.
Combing through ALL of your mail wouldn't really help them advertise any more efficiently than the current system of looking only at what's on the page.
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