04-30-2003, 03:00 AM
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Executive Editor
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Palm Tungsten C rivals Pocket PC
"Palm is attempting to play catch-up with its Pocket PC OEM rivals and to beat Microsoft's timeline to give it the edge. Next month Palm Solutions Group will ship the Tungsten C, one month earlier than Microsoft's next generation Pocket PC 2003 OS, code-named Ozone. The Tungsten C will be the first Palm handheld with 64MB of memory, built-in IEEE 802.11b, a keyboard, and supposedly a six-hour battery life under full and constant usage with Wi-Fi and the display activated. Its browser will also support JavaScript.
But according to sources, Microsoft's Ozone is merely a maintenance upgrade to take care of bugs. It will also offer an improved VPN client and may also include VOIP software. Microsoft will not increase the screen resolution nor provide a landscape mode, which will give the advantage to Palm, according to Todd Kort, principal analyst at Gartner Dataquest in San Jose, Calif. "Microsoft's Mobility Group seems to be putting most of its resources into the Smartphone OS," he said. Kort said Microsoft is concerned that a handheld with too much power could cannibalize sales of laptops or Tablet PCs. "They can make as much as $500 on the sale of a laptop, if you count in Office. When they sell a PDA, it's small beans," said Kort."
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04-30-2003, 03:05 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Aug 2004
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I have to admit, that Tungstun C is pretty cool  I use an iPaq 5450, but I also have a Treo 300 phone with Palm OS too. If I were looking at a PDA for the first time, the "C" is a worthy contender. That keyboad, like the one on the Treo, is pretty cool.
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04-30-2003, 03:14 AM
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Theorist
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Well, seems stronger competition is here, I don't believe MS fears for lap-tops, no way, and I think there's a lot we don't know about PPC 2003, maybe some surprises, if not all that (still growing) market share for PPC is going to blow away.
Regards.
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04-30-2003, 03:17 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Dec 2003
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An Axim with a wireless card is still less expensive than a T/C and Palm does not need landscape mode either with a little square screen.
I don't see anything in the new Palms that would make me want to switch back. Sure they have more memory than the old Palms and a better screen, but where is the dual expansion. I happen to like my 1GB CF card and my 256MB SD one.
A better VPN client in the new PPC version will be great, the only thing I can't do with my Axim is get access to my company intranet. Hopefully soon!
I can't believe I'm sitting here defending Microsoft, but the fact is that PPC2002 is rather good and I'm sure that the improvements in PPC2003 will only make it better.
Wait a week or two for new Sonys as well, I'm sure they will reclaim their place at the top of the POS pile.
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
They can make as much as $500 on the sale of a laptop
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I find this hard to believe. Surely an OEM is not paying $500.00 for a Windows and Office license for a single PC?
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04-30-2003, 03:29 AM
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Magi
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Re: Palm Tungsten C rivals Pocket PC
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
Next month Palm Solutions Group will ship the Tungsten C, one month earlier than Microsoft's next generation Pocket PC 2003 OS, code-named Ozone.
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I thought this statement was the prime reason for this post. How else could someone under NDA state that PPC 2003 will be released in June?
Dave
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04-30-2003, 03:29 AM
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Oracle
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Yesterday I went to the New Zealand Wireless Data Forum seminar day, and had the chance to play with the new Zire 71 and T|C... 8O The T|C is a pretty nice device.
More memory, XScale 400, thumbboard and Wi-Fi. It's a shame it does not have Bluetooth and/or GSM/GPRS. I think it'd be a great convergence, data centric device!
I'm waiting for a T|W (GSM/GPRS) to review on Geekzone - they'll launch on Vodafone network tomorrow here in New Zealand. But the T|W is only the old Dragonball processor :-(
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04-30-2003, 03:40 AM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Re: Palm Tungsten C rivals Pocket PC
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Originally Posted by Jason Dunn
When they sell a PDA, it's small beans," said Kort."
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That about sums up all my fears. Looking at the numbers we saw last week about mobile devices and clearly a confusion by consumers about SmartPhone vs PPC vs Tablet vs laptop, MSFT is going to have to pick their battles. I just hope the PPC is one they stand behind and make it much more than it is today. I'm not expecting much for PPC 2003 based upon what I've seen, but I'll hold off a few extra weeks before making my next purchase...Just in case.
I too, would be gone if that Palm T|C had BT built in...But...No BT. No sale! Get it through your heads hardware folks.
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04-30-2003, 03:48 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Dec 2003
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Re: Palm Tungsten C rivals Pocket PC
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I too, would be gone if that Palm T|C had BT built in...But...No BT. No sale! Get it through your heads hardware folks.
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I would still love to have Sony NX Form Factor, PPC 2003, embedded BT and 802.11b, CF and BT slots. I'd find a way to but it today, whatever the cost.
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04-30-2003, 04:00 AM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Kort said Microsoft is concerned that a handheld with too much power could cannibalize sales of laptops or Tablet PCs
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This is the kind of stuff that unleashes my dark side and makes me want to see Micro$oft to learn a lesson with Tablet PC�s failing to take off and things like that.
PPC2002 is already small step compared to PPC2000, if PPC 2003 turns out to be PPC 2000-update-number-two I will continue to use my Cassiopeia EM-500 for more time
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04-30-2003, 04:04 AM
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Pontificator
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Re: Palm Tungsten C rivals Pocket PC
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Originally Posted by bdegroodt
[That about sums up all my fears. [snip] I just hope the PPC is one they stand behind and make it much more than it is today.
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This has ALWAY been my fear, and I often post on this subject. I just can't shake the feeling I get that Microsoft doesn't take the PDA market seriously. They've shifted most of their resources towards Smartphone (where MS intends to battle Symbian, potentially its biggest competitor ), and given less attention to PPC than it deserves. From what I've seen/heard, PPC 2003 is going to be let down. I really don't know how to react at this point. Just as I was starting to REALLY like Pocket PC (even more than PalmOS), I'm watching Microsoft drop the ball again. PalmOS is taking the technical lead and making an end run while PPC withers on the vine.
What do we have to look forward to this year? :|
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