11-19-2002, 04:03 AM
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Detailed FAQ on the HP iPAQ h1910
http://h20022.www2.hp.com/busprod/pocketpc/faq_h1910/?lsidebarLayId=858
Sprinklerhead has found a great FAQ from HP on the new h1910. The bad news is it does not have an SDIO slot and 18MB of the RAM is definitely used for the OS. :roll: Someone from HP is going to have to explain that to me several times before I get it.
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11-19-2002, 04:28 AM
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Magi
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Nice find Jeremiah!
Three things I noticed.
1)Great speil on transfective screen
2) No mention of Outlook 2002 on the CD. For many new users this could be a real PITA
3) WMP, and a few others are not in ROM. Pocket PC 2002 Pro version, not the Premium version.
I'm off to see what Dell has to say about that.
Dave
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11-19-2002, 04:36 AM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Aug 2006
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My first post, yeah! 
I sold my first PDA, the e310, a month ago in order buy one of these new low-priced PPC's. Now I'm having difficulty on deciding a clear winner.
I never really considered the iPaq h1910 seriously until reading over the FAQ and seeing the pictures Paul P posted in an earlier thread. It looks great (small size, great screen) and 46MB RAM is better than 32... But I noticed a few things in the FAQ's that didn't sit to well:
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Is the h1910 version of the Pocket PC 2002 OS same as iPAQ 3xxx and 5xxx series?
The h1910 ships with Pocket PC 2002, Professional Edition. This has the same core applications as the Premium Edition, however, some of these applications are not pre-loaded on the device, including Windows Media Player, MSFT Instant Messenger, Transcriber, and VPN client, which are available on the companion CD.
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So I take it these app's on the companion CD will have to take up more precious RAM which means the actual RAM after fully installing the OS will be even less than 46MB?!
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How long will it take to fully charge the h1910?
Approximately 4 hours
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4 hours!! The longest it ever took my e310 to charge was 2, when it was almost completely drained. I thought this was a smaller battery.
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Due to the type of nonviolatile memory featured in h1910, a portion of the system RAM is required by the operating system. In this case 18MB of RAM is reserved for the operating system. The benefit is faster write performance.
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So will this run app's faster than a 400MHz XScale? I kind of doubt it.
Having a replaceable battery (albeit small capacity) is a definite plus of this unit. But it is just too overpriced when compared to the ViewSonic and Dell. Maybe if it were rebated down to around $200 I might consider it more.
The ViewSonic has always been my first choice for my next PPC. The screen sounds like it will be great and I'm praying the sound is good as well. Plus it should fit in the case I bought for my e310. :wink: But the battery not being replaceable is a big thing to me, since I shouldn't (note I didn't say wouldn't) purchase another PDA for a while. And I'm also concerned that the 32MB ROM might not allow me to upgrade to the next OS. 
The Dell looks great specs wise. But I would only want the 400MHz/64MB version and it costs $50 more upfront. Plus, that thing should be called a BriefcasePC and not a PocketPC. I don't think I could carry that thing in my pants pocket comfortably without looking like a complete nerd (oh wait, I am one). And expansion (other than memory) is not necessary to me right now. And lets face it, style does count and I don't think most people will be too impressed by this thing's looks.
Just my 3 cents.
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11-19-2002, 04:58 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2004
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IC
So my assumptions were right.
Just a few quick notes, Outlook 2k2 was omited a while ago, all PPCs to my knoledge ship with Outlook2k, apparently the Outlook team at MS was non too pleased that theyre latest vesion was given away for free.
The fact that part of the OS resides in RAM doesnt make it faster, the WRITE speed is faster meaning when you write something to the part of the RAM designed for keeping the OS its faster, the accestime however does not change and will be dependant on the accestime of the ram used.
This is only good when an update pack becomes available for the device so updating the OS will go a little bit faster and thats about it.
The useable RAM will be 46MBs, its 64 minus the 18 used for the OS.
Seems like the Ipaq is a verry bad choice and unles you like the design and Ipaq name you should IMO definitly go for the Dell or to a lesser extent the Viewsonic.
The higher spec Dell seems like a natural choice thanks to its price, screen, dual slots and especially the 48MBs of ROM wich will come in incredibly handy for the next PPC OS, these things IMO offset the slightly larger size.
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11-19-2002, 05:06 AM
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Hahahaha
What has the greatest impact on Battery Life?
Up to 14hrs, you can maximize your battery life with the user selectable Standby settings.
hahahaha
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11-19-2002, 05:12 AM
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Oops
Oops:The h1910 NAND Flash offers a lower cost memory architecture, thus passing these savings on to the customer, as well as faster write performance. Previous iPAQ Flash memory technology offers execute-in-place, allowing the operating system and applications to run directly from the nonviolatile memory space.
Hmm so NAND flash is cheaper and the tradeoff is that the programs are not executable in place, so while the core bits of the OS are stored in the 16MBs of NAND Flash when you actually use them they need a big alocation of RAM(at least the same size as the actual program itself+the RAM needed to do whatever they were doing)?
Would mean that the 18MB of reserved RAM that is NOT user available would be used for exactly that wich would also mean that if you install Media Player or anny of the non core OS functions on the machine itself it wil indeed eat away at the 46MBs of RAM.
Man this Ipaq at 299$ suddenly seems horribly overpriced
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11-19-2002, 05:30 AM
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Magi
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Ya, I knew that at least some were shipping Outlook 2K, but I don't even see any mention of that being on the CD??.....we all know what the meaning of ass_u_me is.
Dave
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11-19-2002, 05:33 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Re: Oops
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Originally Posted by Fishie
Man this Ipaq at 299$ suddenly seems horribly overpriced
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Well, two things to consider here:
1 - As for it being overpriced, give it time. If it is indeed as bad as it sounds, HP will have to drop the price fast if for no other reason than to clear out already manufactured stock. On the other hand though, the price point I think it's probably worth (about $150) is a little lower than I think they'll be willing to go.
2 - This review: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,700677,00.asp, puts the iPaq 1910 above both the Viewsonic and the Dell (and is written as if they had hands-on experience with both).
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11-19-2002, 05:43 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Originally Posted by robert_biggs
The Dell looks great specs wise. But I would only want the 400MHz/64MB version and it costs $50 more upfront. Plus, that thing should be called a BriefcasePC and not a PocketPC. I don't think I could carry that thing in my pants pocket comfortably without looking like a complete nerd (oh wait, I am one).
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You know, I just don't know why I keep taking this bait...but I guess one more time wouldn't hurt. Let us remember that the Dell is ONLY .7" thick and that is only .08" thicker than the iPaq 3600/3700/3800/3900 models which until about 7 months ago was the thinest PocketPC in existance.
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11-19-2002, 05:46 AM
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Join Date: Jun 2002
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1910 is definitely from the "i can do m515 model too" school of thought. It's cut everything out to make the m515 size including memory and CPU power so small battery won't kill it.
definitely soccer mom' PDA.
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