10-26-2002, 06:38 PM
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Executive Editor
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Consumers Shun Copy-Protected CDs
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,106368,tk,dn102502X,00.asp
Do the results of this survey surprise anyone? They don't surprise me in the slightest. Right or wrong, consumers have become accustomed to a certain amount of freedom when it comes to using their media. When I buy a CD, I rip it to a high-quality VBR MP3, put it on my server, then put the CD away and rarely touch it again. This system lets me share the music to any PC in the house, or onto my Pocket PC. What would I do if I bought a CD that I couldn't use with my system? I'd return it, regardless of how much I liked the music. Then I'd probably buy 20 more copies, open them all, and return them - just to make a point. :twisted:
There's a showdown coming, no doubt about it - consumers on one side, and the music companies on the other side. Any bets on who will win?
"Music companies thinking of distributing copy-protected CDs to protect their content from piracy will likely raise the ire of consumers while lowering their revenue, a new study warns. According to a survey recently released by GartnerG2, the research service of Gartner/Dataquest, 77 percent of respondents thought they should be able to copy CDs for personal use in another device. Also, 60 percent said they should be able to give copies of CDs to members of their families. Meanwhile, 82 percent of respondents said that they should be able to copy CDs for personal backup purposes."
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10-26-2002, 07:00 PM
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Neophyte
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 8
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This is a big deal in Europe But it will be coming here!
I purchased a CD here in the states, The Fast and the Furious soundtrack and it was copy protected. It would play in a regular CD player but on the PC it would just beep as it scanned each track, the whole CD played in 15 seconds. It scared me that this was going to happen soon due to the greedy record companies not paying the artists enough for there work, that's what started this whole revolution. 8O
I called the 800 number on a card that was inclosed in the CD explaining you can get your money back for the CD because of the copy protection.
Long story short, I called and told the guy at the other end that this BETTER NOT HAPPEN. :x He said it was not well recieved and that the CD's that are copy protected will not sell. As a matter of fact, becase this CD is protected it is most likley that any CD in the future that is protected will only run the consumer around 8.99 to purchase because they wont sell and the stores will be sitting on a ton of inventory and P2P sharing will become bigger. When the record companies find out they have to cut the sale price in half just to move units then they will stop this madness :twisted:
I was able to copy the CD to a Digital Minidisc recorder then run it through the PC to create MP3's but it took almost 2 hours of my time to do so. The guy also told me that this is what is happening in England and through out Eurpe, that's why the Mini Disc Recorders are so popular and the MP3 Players are virtualy obsolete as my friends from London have told me.
I took the CD Back to Tower records and explained to the manager and she said that would be insane for them to do this and will force the store buyers not to carry any CD's that are protected due to low sales.
I have over 1300 CD's in my colection that I have ripped onto a 60 gig hard drive and love to listen to music on my Windows iPOD everywhere I go, If any of this data gets corrupted I always have the option to dust off the CD and re-rip it again. I don't think this will be happen any time soon unless Sony has a hand in it. :roll:
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10-26-2002, 07:21 PM
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Theorist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 289
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Is there a label or symbol on these cd's that say they are copy protected? I guess this will make the import business a bigger sell then buying them in north America, or will all CD's have the copy protection on it.?
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10-26-2002, 07:33 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 390
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ah...I can smell market here.
How come nobody has made a CF card with built in ripper/OGG/mp3 en/decoder so a person can plug optical out of a CD player and ripped the song directly inot a PDA. Sounds like a simple enough device to make.
I bet at $60-80 bucks this CF card will sell like hot cakes. (before RIAA shut down this company accusing them selling pirating tool probably...heh..)
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10-26-2002, 07:37 PM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 725
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I think there will be a face off between consumers and the recording industry in the near future but I'm not sure it's the consumers that will win.
I think both sides have something going for them...
On one hand, as much as everyone thus far has insisted they will return any CD they can't copy I doubt that's the case. The thing you have to remember is that each record company has a monopoly on their artists, now can you honestly say you wouldn't buy the next CD from your favorite artist because it had copy protection, being that you couldn't get it any other way? I doubt that, and that will probably be the consumers problem.
On the other hand, consumers do seem to always find away around copy protection which puts the recording industry at a disadvantage. Plus, the more the recording industry tries copy protection, the more effort consumers will put into getting around it.
So, we're an an impasse. What will happen? I don't even know, but both sides are kind of scaring me at this point.
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10-26-2002, 08:41 PM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 68
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The solution is blindingly easy. Instead of sitting on their fine velvet sofas smoking Cuban cigars, record company execs have:
1) team up
2) buy Kazaa
3) end their whining
The prospect of selling goods on the internet with NO production costs, NO printing costs, NO disc-making costs should be enough to make any Record company shake with joy. And with the record company's combined financial might would make purchasing Kazaa not even a blink on the monetary radar. Hell, Kazaa probably WANTS to be ensured a safe financial and legal future in exchange for minimal (one cent?) royalties on every downloaded song.
Record companies CANNOT win because, as Cybercop pointed out, digital transfers will simply give way to analog (i.e. minidisc) copying - as long as the CD makes noise, that noise can be turned into a digital file with nothing more than good old MS Sound Recorder.
So now it is the end of CDs. More space at Fred Meyers for - you guessed - Pocket PCs. And the Record Execs need to start a profit file sharing service before a new generation of vritual "Record" companies beats them to it.
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10-26-2002, 09:18 PM
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Pontificator
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,213
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Logos?
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Originally Posted by Master O'Mayhem
Is there a label or symbol on these cd's that say they are copy protected? ...
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I'd read somewhere that copy-protected CDs couldn't legally use the " Compact Disc Digital Audio" logo since, technically speaking, they are no longer compliant with the "Red Book" CDDA specs. Although, looking through my collection, more than half of those I checked only had the CDDA logo on the inside of the jewel case, not the CD itself or the paper case inserts, so you wouldn't know from the sealed package in a store.
Edit: Here are some articles on the subject:-- Dave
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10-26-2002, 09:50 PM
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Sage
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 792
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Will they take them back though if you return them? It seems like stores would start saying that it isn't a valid complaint/reason to return or they could just charge you a restocking fee.
I think Jason has a completely valid solution for storing his music. He isn't sharing it with other people, only those who have a legal right to it...those in his household. I feel like it is similar to when we used to transfer CD's or Vinyl to tape. You often need your music in a different format to allow it to be enjoyed. Next think you know they will only let you play the disc in one CD player.
I receive 10-20 CD's a week from various record labels for our campus radio station. If any of them ever started doing copyright protection, they would be in massive trouble since none of us would play it. We do almost the exact same thing as Jason and many others and load the music into our computers. Are they going to start saying it is legal for us (the promoters) and not legal for the consumer?
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10-26-2002, 10:51 PM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 61
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The problem is even a bit more complex.
Last week there was a consumer program on Dutch television and there was someone speaking on behalf of unsatisfied consumers who had stated that they couldn't listen to their copy protected cd on a regular DVD player. There are more and more consumers who replace their old CD player by a modern DVD player. However some of these modern DVD players don't now what to do with the code on the CD and therefore refuse to play it.
Over here in the Netherlands it's not so easy to return a CD and get a refund. The record industrie is "thinking" about how to deal with this problem and in the meantime it's up to the shopowner whether you get a refund or not. SHAME..SHAME...SHAME!! When I buy a CD I first look if it's copy protected. If yes.....Sorry.....I don't buy it!
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10-26-2002, 11:05 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 433
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Greedy cd makers never think what cause piracy on their product, all they think is making a copyright tecnology, which in 2 weeks time get crack by a hacker and loss all it means,
i have a simpler cure for piracy: just make the cd price cheap enough, so nobody ever bother to pirate the cd! 
if the cd price is to expensive according to consumer, most probably they will just buy the pirated cd, which by the way is not copy protected and can be share by everyone they wish!, so to me the more they copy protected a cd, the more people will buy pirated cd without copy protected in it ! :twisted:
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