08-06-2002, 12:07 AM
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Executive Editor
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Hey buddy, pass the warez...
http://www.pdaavenue.com/forum/index...y;threadid=691
Where do you stand on the issue of warez? Do you loathe it? Love it? Indifferent towards it? Marcus Bankuti has an editorial on the subject worth a quick read - I'm interested in your comments on how this related to Pocket PC software as well.
"Pirating music and software is reported in the media all the time it seems. There have been countless debates on the subject, and several different points of views have been expressed by several different groups of people of all genders, ages, and classes. In this editorial I will be focusing on PDA Warez. Incase you don�t know, Warez are basically illegal pirated copies of software illegally distributed for free.
There are basically three major groups of people in this debate. First, there are the people who believe that downloading Warez is an immoral, unethical [sic] thing to do. I would be classified under that group. Second, there are those who feel that if a developer is over charging for their software, and they can�t afford the price and therefore won�t buy it anyway, downloading an illegal copy is Ok and not hurting anyone. Third, there are people who don�t have any problem with downloading software, as they don�t believe they are doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, a lot of people belong to group number three.
Throughout this editorial I will explain my thoughts on the issue, compare situations, explain why so many belong to group number two or three, and sum up why I belong to group number one. Maybe I will even convince some to change their minds on the way they look at Warez."
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08-06-2002, 12:18 AM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 151
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I'm in group #1. If you're in group #2, your trying to justify stealing and your integrity is suffering. Spoken from a true Promise Keeper!
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08-06-2002, 12:34 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 27
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I am in group 1 1/2. The only time I ever download warez are when the company does not provide a trial version. I set a time limit of 15 days and then delete. REALLY!
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08-06-2002, 12:55 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 46
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Put me in the 1 1/2 group also. The only times I have downloaded warez is to try a program if no trial is available. If its bad its gone quick, if I like it I then buy it. Its only right, although some developers have a very high requard for thier software (usualy its junk)
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08-06-2002, 01:05 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 633
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"Third, there are people who don�t have any problem with downloading software, as they don�t believe they are doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, a lot of people belong to group number three. "
Forgot the 4th group - I do know, and have no problems doing it either.
A little naive, that opinion. Err...MP3's anyone?
My perspective? Pay for those things worthwhile. I have lost count of the things I have downloaded and used 'past' their sell-by date, that never make it past the next FDisk...
On the other hand, I can list the things I have bought and cannot do without using two hands and a foot; and I have NEVER paid for an operating system. Any of them. And until they make it impossible to utilise any of them without buying them, I never will. (Don't get me started on prices)
The moral perspective? I sleep fine. But I do appreciate those who sleep 'lightly'
(Actually, having thought about it, scratch the foot and a thumb)
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08-06-2002, 01:13 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,768
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Baseball analogy
Someone on the linked editorial made an analogy that made total sense to me. If I go to a ball-game, the cost of hot dogs and soda is way too high. Do they provide samples to see if I would like a whole hot-dog? No... does the no sample and high price give me the right to steal a hot dog? Stealing is stealing period.
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"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke
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08-06-2002, 01:14 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 29
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Originally Posted by DrtyBlvd
"Third, there are people who don�t have any problem with downloading software, as they don�t believe they are doing anything wrong. Unfortunately, a lot of people belong to group number three. "
Forgot the 4th group - I do know, and have no problems doing it either.
A little naive, that opinion. Err...MP3's anyone?
My perspective? Pay for those things worthwhile. I have lost count of the things I have downloaded and used 'past' their sell-by date, that never make it past the next FDisk...
On the other hand, I can list the things I have bought and cannot do without using two hands and a foot; and I have NEVER paid for an operating system. Any of them. And until they make it impossible to utilise any of them without buying them, I never will. (Don't get me started on prices)
The moral perspective? I sleep fine. But I do appreciate those who sleep 'lightly'
(Actually, having thought about it, scratch the foot and a thumb)
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Well, as for your 4th group, it is the third reworded. "No problems doing it" "Don't think they are doing anything wrong". Sounds pretty close to me.
Anyway, I guess you would belong to group number two, right?
If you think that an OS costs too much, why not re-evaluate how much you want/need it? Windows XP Home costs less than 30% what a new computer would cost you. I'm sure that if you can afford a computer, you can afford an OS for it. If you don't like it, next time you buy a computer, get one preloaded. Well actually, I guess if you don't like it, you will keep stealing it (out of my power)...
A lot of the cost on operating system's goes toward covering for Piracy loss, as even MS needs to return a profit, especially with the current saturation of the computer market.
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08-06-2002, 01:27 AM
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Sage
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 633
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Perhaps you're correct Marcus - perception is reality after all; but I certainly belong to the 4th group - I DO know and, more importantly, I don't care - without wishing to be inflamatory.
And yes, if the hotdogs were unguarded and there was no fear of reprisal, they'd be leaving with me...
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08-06-2002, 01:49 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 16
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Re: Baseball analogy
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Originally Posted by JonnoB
Someone on the linked editorial made an analogy that made total sense to me. If I go to a ball-game, the cost of hot dogs and soda is way too high. Do they provide samples to see if I would like a whole hot-dog? No... does the no sample and high price give me the right to steal a hot dog? Stealing is stealing period.
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Stealing is stealing but it is depriving the legal owner of anything? In the baseball analogy it certainly is. The vendor has spend time cooking the hotdog, spent money aquiring all the ingredients and if a hotdog was stolen then it would have an actual cost and impact.
In the case of stealing software, the only time it is wrong in my opinion is if you would have purchased it had you not been able to steal a copy. Following this rule (ie: category number 2) nobody suffers actual damage but only if you are honest with yourself.
Thoughts?
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08-06-2002, 02:10 AM
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Mystic
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,768
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Re: Baseball analogy
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Originally Posted by TheScream
Stealing is stealing but it is depriving the legal owner of anything? In the baseball analogy it certainly is. The vendor has spend time cooking the hotdog, spent money aquiring all the ingredients and if a hotdog was stolen then it would have an actual cost and impact.
In the case of stealing software, the only time it is wrong in my opinion is if you would have purchased it had you not been able to steal a copy. Following this rule (ie: category number 2) nobody suffers actual damage but only if you are honest with yourself.
Thoughts?
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You don't think that coders spend time and money developing software? Pirating can dilute the market of a software's value as well. Sometimes high-volume distribution is desired, but it is the right of the creator to decide that. A creator may want to create a high-demand with short supply situation... why deprive them of that? There is real loss whenever anything is stolen. At the minimum, piracy aids the demand side of the more illicit piracy trade industry.
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Jonathan (JonnoB)
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke
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