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Old 07-30-2002, 07:00 PM
Jason Dunn
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Default Olympus, Fuji announce new digital camera memory media

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0207/30.media.php

We've talked about the xD format before, and now it has become a reality. I kept hoping that Olympus and Fuji would switch to pure CF or SD instead of sticking with SmartMedia or their combo units, but it looks like they're gung-ho about the new xD format. If they can reach 8 gigs by 2003 I'll be stunned, but I suppose anything is possible. Did I mention I hate it when consumers get caught in the middle of memory standard wars? I'm staring at my "all in one" memory card reader and thinking "Ok, so when do I start shopping for a new one..."

And for those who think I'm irrational about disliking new memory standards, I was recently the purchasing agent for a digital camera to be given to the youth pastor at my church (he's leaving for a church plant in Chicago) and what camera did I buy? A Sony and a 64 mb memory stick. Since he has no other devices to speak of, the quality of the camera and price point were more important than device interoperability. But on to the xD news...

"Olympus and Fuji Photo Film Co., Ltd, of Japan today announced they've jointly developed the xD-Picture (as in "eXtreme digital") Card. The card is a new type of memory media with a compact design about the size of a postage stamp and has an image storage capacity of up to 8GB. The card offers compatibility with different digital camera brands and prices that are comparable to current SmartMedia cards. The xD-Picture Card will be produced on consignment by Toshiba Corp. in Japan and introduced in the Americas this fall along with digital cameras from Olympus and Fujifilm that support the media. With a Compact Flash adapter the xD-Picture Card can be used with any Compact Flash compatible device. A USB Reader/Writer provides computer connectivity, as does a PCMCIA PC Card adapter for laptops...

...Four types of cards will be available initially: 16MB, 32MB, 64MB, and 128MB. Due in December are 256MB cards, with 512MB, 1GB and 8GB versions planned for 2003." Source: Alex Kac
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 08:17 PM
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Well, this means no Olympus or Fuji devices for me.
I can only hope if Canon ever decides to switch memory type, that they will choose SD over xD...
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 08:43 PM
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Default Re: Olympus, Fuji announce new digital camera memory media

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.............and what camera did I buy? A Sony and a 64 mb memory stick. Since he has no other devices to speak of, the quality of the camera and price point were more important than device interoperability.
TRAITOR!!!!

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Old 07-30-2002, 08:48 PM
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To a certain degree, i think that the memory standard war between various companies is healthy. It promotes innovation and improvement, however right now it seems like memory cards are all very similar except for form factor. Whatever happened to Dataplay? Their memory cards looked awesome.

A little off topic but about Digital Cameras...I am thinking about purchasing a digital camera. I want something that is very small and made out of metal. I am looking at the Canon S330 right now. Does anybody else have any suggestions or opinions? Thanks
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:37 PM
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Just what we need: Another memory card format !!!

May it die a quick and painful death. :twisted:
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:40 PM
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If that's the same as the S30 in the UK (3 Mpixels, 3x zoom, sound & video capable) then Yes - go for it. I have one and I love the shutter and aperture priority modes it has.

I would infinitely prefer camera makers to standardise on either CF or SD. We don't need any more so- specifications. If there is a quantum leap forward then sure, but we will get to 8Gb anyway with CF in the next while. We DON'T need another memory standard! :roll:
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 09:57 PM
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To a certain degree, i think that the memory standard war between various companies is healthy. It promotes innovation and improvement, however right now it seems like memory cards are all very similar except for form factor. Whatever happened to Dataplay? Their memory cards looked awesome.

A little off topic but about Digital Cameras...I am thinking about purchasing a digital camera. I want something that is very small and made out of metal. I am looking at the Canon S330 right now. Does anybody else have any suggestions or opinions? Thanks
In terms of competition, one does so with price and capacity. There is nothing inherint in this xD format that provides the consumer with any value.

The question of capacity is a question of density. One can achieve higher capacities with the other existing form factors. Especially with CompactFlash, which is an open standard.

This is not really technology, it's marketing. They are trying to sell cameras like HP sells printers. You buy their mechanism, now you must buy THEIR cartridges. Using CF or SD, they cannot exclusive rights to sell the "film".

In the end, I don't think this strategy will be successful. The market is already saturated with deployed alternatives. This xD format has ZERO technical advantages and no size advantages. The promoters are betting that the quality of their cameras will be enough to sway users into their proprietary pit.

Like SmartMedia before it, I believe that this xD format is doomed to failure. It will cause far more problems in the market place than it is worth.
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 10:03 PM
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I have an Olympu D3040 and love the pictures it takes. But that's it! :evil:

I'm tired of smart media cards and SD cards lying around like a bunch of tribbles. Now they want me to buy XD? They must be XD (extremely dumb :lol: ). My next camera will use a more common technology (hopefully CF).

Your loss Olympus.
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 11:32 PM
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I have to agree with these posts. We do not need another card format. Why would Toshiba think we do? Like SD wasnt already doing the job? Stupid. And I liked the `Xtremely Dumb` moniker.

Both Smart Media, which nobody uses, and xD need to die.
 
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Old 07-30-2002, 11:44 PM
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Quote:
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I am looking at the Canon S330 right now. Does anybody else have any suggestions or opinions? Thanks
The S330 is the improved version of the S300 [or Digital Ixus 300]. I'm a happy owner of one of these since a little more than 1 year.
Hardly any flaws, and the 2 megapixel has always been enough untill now. I bought it because of the size and solid build.
I always carry it with me, on my belt in the official case of about � 30 in The Netherlands [~ $30, certainly worth its price], even in my professional life when I wear a suit. It's gone through a lot, but still works like a charm. It's however just too heavy to wear in a shirt- or jacketpocket at 275 gramms.
Pictures are almost always good, with as a weak point the flash range [issue with all ultra compact cameras]. In time I've been able to learn to work with the limited flash and limited settings to achieve nice results also in special conditions. One rule: just take a few extra pictures when in doubt of the result using diffrent white ballance, light correction or flash settings.

What I really like as a bonus is the waterproof case [30 meters under water] for about � 250, which I use on the beach, sailing and a friend of mine borrowed it for diving.

The S330 [or Digital Ixus 330] is about the same, with essentially some more setting available and a partly other button layout. So if you don't need the extra settings and find a S300 [or digital Ixus 300] for a significant lower price, don't hesitate to buy that one.

At http://www.megapixel.net/html/issueindex.html and http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/ you can find great reviews of most available cameras [not always the same conclusion to keep it interesting, DPreview often a bit more strict on image quality].

Alternatives in my view:
- Only ultra compacts are small enough to allways take with you wherever you go, because there's nothing more frustrating than to need the camera and having left it at home.
- Always take a camera with at least 3x zoom
- CF-card [if you have a PocketPC] because of cheap memory and the ability to view and show your pictures directly with no or commonly available accessoiry [Ipaq, Toshiba e310, etc.] or optionally SD-card when owning a PPC 2002 device [more expensive]
- metall body preferably to be able to take a punch

This gives at this moment as ultra compact alternatives for the Canon:

- Minolta Dimage X: also 2 Megapixel, extremely compact and light [wearable in shirtpocket], picture quality a bit less [I might have bought it today if I hadn't owned my Canon yet]. SD-cards still expensive
- Pentax Optio 330 or 430. About the same weight and size of the Canon, but 3 resp. 4 Megapixels and a bit more pricy. If you often want to print large pictures this is useful, however with my 2 megapixels I get satisfactory results at near A4/Letter size.


Hope this helps with your decision.

One extra tip:
Buy at least one extra battery and a large memory card [>128 MB]. You'll need them.
 
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