06-08-2002, 03:15 PM
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Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
http://www.pdaavenue.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=article;action=display;num=1023499415
Marcus Bankuti of PDA Avenue has written an article about the future of the Smartphone 2002 platform. And he has high hopes about the future. Some quotes:
"Smartphone 2002, as I said before, will be successful. I believe it will enjoy significantly more success than current PDAs do. Why? Well, as I mentioned earlier, many people do not yet realize the usefulness of a PDA. Lets face it; there is not a significant number of people using PDAs as of now."
"People "need" cell phones. They are without a doubt in high demand, and there is definitely a lot of money to be made in that strand of the mobile industry. That is why Smartphone 2002 will succeed. People need cell phones, and a Smartphone 2002 device would be my choice if I was looking for a phone and had money to spend. I'm sure most of you would agree with me."
"Convergence is the future. However, in order for this to happen the way I want it to, PDAs on their own have to prove themselves before wireless technology improves. If they do not, then the future will be Cell Phones that are assigned minor PDA capabilities."
Marcus doesn't compare the Smartphone 2002 with Symbian or other phones. This article does not seem to be so much about Smartphone 2002 as much as it is about smartphones in general, and the idea of a phone with limited PDA functionality versus a full blown PDA. What do you think. Is he on the right track with his ideas?
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06-08-2002, 05:40 PM
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I originally wanted to name it "Smartphone 2002: Why it will succeed and Why I don't want it to" but I ran out of room, and had to shorten the length of the title.
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06-08-2002, 06:09 PM
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It seems to me a reasonable analysis of what MS Smartphone would be if it would be a successful project at any time. The problem I see is that Symbian is the choice of most European phone manufacturers and the mobile phone field is getting more difficult to enter for MS.
MS Smartphone is essentialy Windows CE and might grow and expand as soon as mobile phones grow in power. By now the existing prototypes like Z100 from Sendo look promising. However Sendo is second row manufacturer in Europe (except in UK). Asian manufacturers like Copalm and Samsung are interested if they see a demand, but I doubt they will see a demand of MS Smartphone except if some European mainstream vendors choose MS agains Symbian/Java solutions.
IMHO MS is not playing its cards well and by now it is losing the battle on mobile phones. By the way, I think Pocket PC Phones are an interesting experiment but not for the common people.
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06-08-2002, 06:11 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by Marlof Bregonje
article about the future of the Smartphone 2002 platform
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"People need cell phones, and a Smartphone 2002 device would be my choice if I was looking for a phone and had money to spend. I'm sure most of you would agree with me."
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Sorry, but this article is "too much oversimplifying" to express it mildly and politely. The author is not mentioning the fact that competition in terms of weeks is going to release to market smartphones with built-in digital camera and built-in bluetooth, while such smartphones with Microsoft's OS are not yet in sight. Also the main competitor (beginning with letter "S") has not been mentioned.... Also MMS has not been mentioned.
shortly speaking: author wholly misses the point. it will be free market and not a bunch PDA freaks, that will decide about success or failure and by free market I mean average cell phone users in combination with support from network operators...
so picture is much more complex than presented...
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06-08-2002, 06:21 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by Marlof Bregonje
This article does not seem to be so much about Smartphone 2002 as much as it is about smartphones in general, and the idea of a phone with limited PDA functionality versus a full blown PDA. What do you think. Is he on the right track with his ideas?
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having built-in camera in cell phone with operating system (=smartphone) will RADICALLY change a way people LIVE,
... and perceive cell phones in general.
as an example of applications, not possible without built-in camera, see here:
http://www.wirelesssoftware.info/show1news.php/308.html
You CANNOT not-discuss built-in camera if you discuss smartphones. We have now 21st century, man!
Just imagine: when most people will have cell phones with digital cameras, with possibility to send immediately the pictures over internet, then it will be difficult to pick in the nose, sleep in the work or do other stuff that could be "taken as photo and sent to others" by our "friends"...
(I have seen [not publicly available] photos from certain Microsoft's conference where there was photo of certain smartphone with digital camera that is supposed to run MS Smartphone 2002 - but it looked like rip-off of Japanese models...)
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06-08-2002, 07:08 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by jpzr
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Originally Posted by Marlof Bregonje
article about the future of the Smartphone 2002 platform
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"People need cell phones, and a Smartphone 2002 device would be my choice if I was looking for a phone and had money to spend. I'm sure most of you would agree with me."
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Sorry, but this article is "too much oversimplifying" to express it mildly and politely. The author is not mentioning the fact that competition in terms of weeks is going to release to market smartphones with built-in digital camera and built-in bluetooth, while such smartphones with Microsoft's OS are not yet in sight. Also the main competitor (beginning with letter "S") has not been mentioned.... Also MMS has not been mentioned.
shortly speaking: author wholly misses the point. it will be free market and not a bunch PDA freaks, that will decide about success or failure and by free market I mean average cell phone users in combination with support from network operators...
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I disagree
I did not miss the point.
I would summarize the purpose of the article but unfortunately I can not word what I want to say...
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06-08-2002, 08:02 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
[quote="marcusbankuti"]
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Originally Posted by jpzr
I would summarize the purpose of the article but unfortunately I can not word what I want to say...
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I had a feeling that you wanted to say that:
- smarpthones will be a big success,
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- MS Smarpthone 2002 will be a big success,
... but apart from that I also don't know what you wanted to say...
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06-08-2002, 08:33 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by marcusbankuti
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Originally Posted by jpzr
I would summarize the purpose of the article but unfortunately I can not word what I want to say...
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I had a feeling that you wanted to say that:
- smarpthones will be a big success,
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- MS Smarpthone 2002 will be a big success,
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Nope.
I said that if Smartphones with PDA capabilities are successful, then I fear the PDA manufacturers, who's return could be better (for the reasons I mentioned in my article), will warp their PDAs to eventually have Cell Phones that have PDA capability, instead of the other way around, because if they could make more money doing that, they will.
If Smartphone 2002 which is a Phone operating system with minor PDA capabilities proves more promising than PDAs for the time being then Manufacturers may warp their products to make more money.
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06-08-2002, 09:01 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by marcusbankuti
If Smartphone 2002 which is a Phone operating system with minor PDA capabilities proves more promising than PDAs for the time being then Manufacturers may warp their products to make more money.
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I think it's far too speculative and early to say this; that's why Microsoft has come out with multiple implementations of WinCE to support different markets. While I don't see the mass cell-phone market being PDA phone users, this does not mean that "PDA phones" (or standalone PDA's) will cease to exist... PDA's are and probably will retain their status of a reasonably profitable niche market for some time now. Corporate entities, for one, see tremendous value in high-powered PDA's like the new XScale PPC devices.
Moreso, what I think jpzr is saying is that the definition of a "smartphone" vs. a "PDA phone" is being blurred with the appearance of units like the Nokia 7650 and, even more so, the Ericsson P800, both of which could be called PDA's in their own right. With applications like videophones and such, what end-users expect a phone to do will grow... and may very well approach functions we consider exclusive to a PDA today.
--bdj
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06-08-2002, 10:09 PM
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Re: Smartphone 2002 on PDA Avenue
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Originally Posted by jpzr
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Originally Posted by Marlof Bregonje
This article does not seem to be so much about Smartphone 2002 as much as it is about smartphones in general, and the idea of a phone with limited PDA functionality versus a full blown PDA. What do you think. Is he on the right track with his ideas?
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having built-in camera in cell phone with operating system (=smartphone) will RADICALLY change a way people LIVE, |
You know that in my first draft I had written that the author did not speak about built in cameras, so that jpzr would be disappointed. I didn't want to mention you on the frontpage 'though....
Other than you, I don't care for a built in camera. I believe Smartphones that don't have a built in camera can be a success as well. I think a built in camera is like a CF camera for the Pocket PC: nice because it's a novelty, but that's about it. And yes, I've used one. And no, I didn't like it. Which does not mean that it is a bad concept. It's just something I personally don't like, and it would most certainly not radically change my life.
No one in here should think that their wishlist is the wish of the entire public. There are other people with other wishes out there too.
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