05-13-2002, 05:23 AM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Feb 2007
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R.I.P. Jornada
http://www.writingonyourpalm.net/column020513.htm
The HP Jornada is dead, the latest victim of an ugly corporate merger. What does this mean to the handheld market, and what does it mean to consumers?
This week, I want to talk about a disturbing news item that left me despondent and muttering to myself. I felt like the robot in that Circuit City commercial... "Don't take her! I love her! Weeping, weeping, weeping..."
In the wake of their merger with Compaq, Hewlett Packard has begun the long and arduous process of trimming their product lines, cutting the overlapping, redundant products. HP's Windows-based servers are out in favor of Compaq's Proliant series. HP's Vectra business PCs are gone. And... I'm having trouble typing this... The HP Jornada series of Pocket PCs is dead.
While all of the Pocket PC 2002 devices have their issues, the Jornada 560 series came the closest to perfection. The 560s are thin, light, have side controls for easy ebook reading, great battery life, internal CF expansion -- which is still far cheaper and more flexible than SD -- an integrated screen cover so you don't have to bulk up the device with a case, slimmer expandability than the iPaq sleeves, and oh, yeah, the best screen around for ClearType readability.
All of that's gone now (well, probably -- see below). My sources tell me the 560 series will still be manufactured for a few more months, then it's gone for good, and the "HP iPAQ" is the new handheld on the block. For those of us that dislike the iPAQ's slippery feel, ClearType-crippled screen, overall bulk and lack of side controls, this is a dark day.
Read the rest here.
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05-13-2002, 06:11 AM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 192
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It's really a shame that HP didn't decide to go ahead with the 57x series at a steal-of-a-price (even E-Bay them)...many of us who have been using the 54x and 56x Jornadas would have purchased them, felt happy rather than sad/mad, and MAY have moved to the iPAQ in a couple of years.
HP has also killed off all of the other lines we use (Vectra, NetServer, RackStorage, OmniBook, TopTools)...as a friend of mine says, "Good thing HP didn't merge with CISCO too...they probably would have dropped the router division because sales were slack).
As it is, I'm unlikely to purchase Compaq HP-rebranded hardware. I'm just too ticked off. :evil:
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05-13-2002, 07:44 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 27
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That's why you should get a TREO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff Hawkins, the guy who basically invented the category uses his Treo everyday as a tool and that is why it is soooo good. The number one PPC that showed the best potential just got nuked???
What is going on?
Do yourself a favor and get a Treo. The color ones will be out soon if you need color.
If you want to read more about why the Treo is the Pocket PC killer goto:
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/foru...topic.php?t=77
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05-13-2002, 08:14 AM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 17
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why wont anyone take this possitive???
well why wont anyone take this merger possitive?
HP did drop the jordana pocket PC line but did you ever think that they desided to do coz they thought this was best???
i've read that the iPAQ life was 2 years anyway and then i would be redesigned. but why was ipaq pocket pc a sucess? and not HP pocket pc?
Personally i think that very nice things will be brought to the Pocket PC world via this merger. just think HP and compaq pocket PC teams working together and mixing all their ideas in one device. I beleive that this will make the HP iPaq Pocket PC a killer pocket pc. just think of iPaq cool design with removeable sleeves a bit thinner with CF and SD card slots a usb, side controls, removeable battey out of the box and the best part intergrated wireless capabilites.
just think possitive and think what these 2 teams will be capable of bringing out in the market once they set their minds to work together.
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05-13-2002, 08:17 AM
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Philosopher
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 524
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Re: That's why you should get a TREO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Jake
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As annoying as it may seem, the merger of Compaq and HP made this inevitable. Despite those that dislike the Ipaq, the majority would seem to disagree - you only ned to look at the sales figures for each machine. If the Jornada was :that: good then it would have been the market PPC leader. This is clearly a commercial decision and I am sure that those who have Jornada's will find another machine to move onto - it's a volatile market.
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Griph
iPhone 4 32GB Jailbroken and iPad 3G 64GB .
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05-13-2002, 08:21 AM
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Neophyte
Join Date: Feb 2002
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I adore my 568--and I dearly hope this power-shift doesn't doom us to the iPAQ form factor for long. I rather expect it won't (maybe some bright folks will figure out how to mount a similarly functional flip-cover on the LOOX), and I'd planned to make use of my 568 for another year or so anyways, so I'm not gonna stress too much about it. I suppose I'd better scrimp together the cash for whatever other accessories I want for it, though, like that extended battery pack...
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05-13-2002, 12:21 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 45
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Originally Posted by HowlingBears
I adore my 568--and I dearly hope this power-shift doesn't doom us to the iPAQ form factor for long. I rather expect it won't (maybe some bright folks will figure out how to mount a similarly functional flip-cover on the LOOX), and I'd planned to make use of my 568 for another year or so anyways, so I'm not gonna stress too much about it. I suppose I'd better scrimp together the cash for whatever other accessories I want for it, though, like that extended battery pack...
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I'm totally with you...I bought the thumbs keyboard recently and now, I have a perfect pocketPC for my needs...well, just needing the 512 CF, but it's still too pricey for me, so I'll stick with 256 Mb (need more room for digital photos...I'm also photo crazy like Jeff  LOL )
I will definately keep my 568 as long as it performs well and compatible ARM soft keeps coming out. Basically that's it, so I figure at least another 6 to 8 months. Then, if the new HP Ipaq isn't as bulky-lookin' as the current Ipaq, I might think about it or change to Loox/new Toshibas...
Time will tell 
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05-13-2002, 12:50 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 27
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Re: R.I.P. Jornada
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Originally Posted by Jeff Kirvin
In the wake of their merger with Compaq, Hewlett Packard has begun the long and arduous process of trimming their product lines, cutting the overlapping, redundant products. HP's Windows-based servers are out in favor of Compaq's Proliant series. HP's Vectra business PCs are gone. And... I'm having trouble typing this... The HP Jornada series of Pocket PCs is dead.
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Actually, it is my understanding that, yes, the Journada line will be discontinued, but also that the new HP will be merging the best of both products into a new iPAQ. Like it or not, the iPAQ was more of a success than Journada. And since iPAQ has the name recognition, HP would be silly to give up that marketing edge.
When HP announced the end of life of certain product lines (some from the legacy Compaq, some from legacy HP), the idea wasn't to just get rid of the duplicates, but rather to integrate the strengths of both in future products.
To cite an example that I am intimately familiar with, Tru64 Unix for Alpha will be discontinued. However, HP will continue releasing new versions of Tru64, and at the same time, actively integrate things that Tru64 does better than HP/UX into HP/UX (TruClusters comes immediately to mind; IPv6 would probably be there as well, and others). People with the "old" platforms won't be left in the cold, and future customers will get the best of both products, hopefully.
Once again, I'm biased here (note my "Location" and avatar). But I believe that you are mistaken if you think that all those things that you liked about Journada will simply be forgotten or discarded.
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05-13-2002, 01:58 PM
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Intellectual
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 248
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No Worries
I don't think it is much cause for concern. Based on sales figures (in case anyone was wonderginthey are still a profit driven co) it was a no brainer. I think the ipaq was in its last run anyways. I expect one more generation and then it will be redisigned. I never much liked the smaller screen and dimness of the jornada (I'm an ipaq user) nor the style or feel of the device. Personally, I think both devices would have had a run for their money with all the new competitors. Toshiba and audiovox are fragmenting the ppc market (which is good) with their lower priced handhelds. I'm keeping my eye on th eloox for now but the days of only a few handheld makers are over. Still, not sure it makes sense to merge but that is a whole different story.
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05-13-2002, 02:00 PM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 69
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Why the sob stories?
I'm sorry, but I was singularly unimpressed by the Jornadas with they came out, which is why I went with the iPaq. I just don't understand the seemingly obsessive compulsion people expressed about a stupid flip cover. If I wanted something that looked like a Star Trek communicator, I'd buy myself a frelling cell phone. And that silly little scroll bar? Sheesh, I use the joypad for scrolling through screens. And I realize asthetics are totally subjective, but I think the Jornadas were just plain ugly.
I'm a realist, though, and sadly I think future devices will see somewhat of a departure from the current iPaq design toward more of a melding of the HP and Compaq concepts. I've always like the sleeve concept because of the limitless expandability that the ide offers (and has offered), but I'm betting that will disappear with future iPaqs. No, suffice to say that you HP enthusiasts have probably not seen a complete disappearance of Jornadas....hmm, speaking of Star Trek, I'm suddenly thinking of the end of ST:TMP when Decker and Ilia "merged"......
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