03-19-2002, 07:00 PM
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Executive Editor
Join Date: Aug 2006
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Flash memory problems
One of the things I love about all the Pocket PC 2002 devices is that they all have a portion (usually eight megs or so) of Flash ROM. Data saved to the Flash ROM is permanent until deleted - your Pocket PC can lose all power and still maintain that data. Because my HP 565 has a meagre 32 megs of RAM, I try to install as many of my critical applications to the ROM as possible (CodeWallet Pro, 802.11b drivers, etc.)
A problem I've seen with my Jornada 565 is that some applications don't seem to "play nice" in Flash ROM. Sometimes I'll load an application from Flash ROM, only to have the device lock up with a never-ending hourglass (or whatever the Pocket PC equivalent is called - "Spinning Wheel of Perpetual Patience"?).
Have you seen any odd behaviour from applications or data stored on the Flash ROM of your Pocket PC 2002? Answer the survey (and remember you don't need to be a registered user of this site to vote!)
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03-19-2002, 07:33 PM
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Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 533
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ABSOLUTELY!! I have had problems with some things loaded into the availible ROM area. Currently, I am STILL stuck on an issue with the new Targus Stowaway 2002 drivers. I decided to install the drivers in the file store of my Ipaq 3835....BAD MISTAKE. Ever since then, I have not been able to get the drivers working at all. I constantly get the error message "Language DLL's could not be found, please use proper instalation procedure" when I try and run the Stowaway app in Start > Programs.
I have uninstalled the drivers (from file store), soft reset, reinstalled to RAM, no luck.....same error message. Targus is stumped. So because of this problem, I can not use my $100 Stowaway Keyboard and $10 adapter :x
Maybe someone else has had the same problem and knows a way out of this conundrum? Regardless, take this post as a warning to all other Stowaway PPC 2002 device users: DO NOT INSTALL STOWAWAY 2002 DRIVERS TO ROM IF YOU EVER WISH TO USE YOUR STOWAWAY AGAIN!
-Brian
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03-19-2002, 07:35 PM
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Pupil
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 20
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How's about this for odd behaviour... HP Safe Store disappearing alltogether! Seems as though many HP owners, as well as owner of other devices have "lost" their Flash ROM. Pretty annoying to say the least, since it was a large selling point.
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03-19-2002, 07:40 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 414
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I sure wish someone would solve this problem. When I do even a hard reset, all my contacts are back just as they should be. I wish everything were.
My last hard reset even left me unable to restore from flash card with Compaq utilities. I had to restore from desktop.
To be fair to the PPC, the crash that torqued my Ipaq was some kind of power surge, flutter on my desktop while I was connected. My desktop had problems like this all weekend.
Thankfully none of my other data on my flash card was missing or messed up. The hard reset probably did me some good, as I gained significant RAM. I must have had a couple of months worth of slag clogging up the running memory. Gone now.
BTW, I know you were talking about internal flash OS ROM and I am talking mostly about external flash storage card, but I wonder if the two could be related. Might there be a bug in the underlying OS work that affects both?
On a related topic, flash memory has gotten so cheap, I have been predicting that someone may ship a model with 128 meg or so already on the motherboard for music, file, video, and other storage use. They might save the space a slot takes up. Just wondering if anyone has heard any rumors about upcoming models from...say...Toshiba or Audiovox with such a feature?
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03-19-2002, 07:53 PM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 51
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Originally Posted by brianchris
ABSOLUTELY!! I have had problems with some things loaded into the availible ROM area. Currently, I am STILL stuck on an issue with the new Targus Stowaway 2002 drivers. I decided to install the drivers in the file store of my Ipaq 3835....BAD MISTAKE. Ever since then, I have not been able to get the drivers working at all. I constantly get the error message "Language DLL's could not be found, please use proper instalation procedure" when I try and run the Stowaway app in Start > Programs.
I have uninstalled the drivers (from file store), soft reset, reinstalled to RAM, no luck.....same error message. Targus is stumped. So because of this problem, I can not use my $100 Stowaway Keyboard and $10 adapter :x
Maybe someone else has had the same problem and knows a way out of this conundrum? Regardless, take this post as a warning to all other Stowaway PPC 2002 device users: DO NOT INSTALL STOWAWAY 2002 DRIVERS TO ROM IF YOU EVER WISH TO USE YOUR STOWAWAY AGAIN!
-Brian
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Have you tried to go into the registry and delete all occurances of Stowaway or Targus? There could be something left over in the registry which does not allow you to do a clean installation anymore.
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03-19-2002, 08:00 PM
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Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 533
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Originally Posted by JJ
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Originally Posted by brianchris
ABSOLUTELY!! I have had problems with some things loaded into the availible ROM area. Currently, I am STILL stuck on an issue with the new Targus Stowaway 2002 drivers. I decided to install the drivers in the file store of my Ipaq 3835....BAD MISTAKE. Ever since then, I have not been able to get the drivers working at all. I constantly get the error message "Language DLL's could not be found, please use proper instalation procedure" when I try and run the Stowaway app in Start > Programs.
I have uninstalled the drivers (from file store), soft reset, reinstalled to RAM, no luck.....same error message. Targus is stumped. So because of this problem, I can not use my $100 Stowaway Keyboard and $10 adapter :x
Maybe someone else has had the same problem and knows a way out of this conundrum? Regardless, take this post as a warning to all other Stowaway PPC 2002 device users: DO NOT INSTALL STOWAWAY 2002 DRIVERS TO ROM IF YOU EVER WISH TO USE YOUR STOWAWAY AGAIN!
-Brian
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Have you tried to go into the registry and delete all occurances of Stowaway or Targus? There could be something left over in the registry which does not allow you to do a clean installation anymore. |
Actually, I've figured its *got* to be something like that. A) I don't have a reg editor installed (and would rather not have to install one, but might have to). B) I would hope Targus would realize this as well, and instruct me specifically which registry entries to hack. As you can tell from my unwilingness to even install a reg editor above, I'm not a registry editing pro, and would likely make the situation worse. :?
Thanks for your reply!!
-Brian
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03-19-2002, 08:15 PM
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Ponderer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 65
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I have had this problem on only a few applications, Most of the ones I installed worked fine. I chalked it up to The programmers putting some coded links in the program so that when it looks for something it does not look in the sfafe store location (putting the start shortcut in the programs list where the actual link is not allowed to point to the safe store).. I may be completely wrong, but thats my story and I'm sticking with it.
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03-19-2002, 08:38 PM
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Contributing Editor
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 123
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MS Reader 2.0 and Audible Player/Content
The only one time I've encountered this (so far) was with MS Reader 2.0. I could not get it to open ("spinning hourglass of despair"). Reader, BTW, was in RAM.
I had Audible content (including some large Audible books) on my CF card. When I removed the CF card, PRESTO - problem stopped. It seems Reader could open the Audible content (and tried to). This was not the case with the first version of Reader for PPC.
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03-19-2002, 08:50 PM
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Thinker
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 360
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Storing in Flash Rom
OK maybe I am dence, but in truth I have never tried to put anything in to the ROM. How is this acomplished. Is that what file share is on my iPaq?
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03-19-2002, 09:07 PM
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Philosopher
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 533
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Storing in Flash Rom
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Originally Posted by JMountford
OK maybe I am dence, but in truth I have never tried to put anything in to the ROM. How is this acomplished. Is that what file share is on my iPaq?
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Yes, the "file store" on your ipaq is the ROM storage area. Data you put in there is flashed to your ROM, and is safe in the event of a Hard Reset or Power loss.
-Brian
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