Treo Hollywood Running... Windows Mobile?

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://discussion.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=111669&page=3&pp=20' target='_blank'>http://discussion.treocentral.com/s...69&page=3&pp=20</a><br /><br /></div><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060420-Hollywood1.jpg" /><br /><br />In true "let's-not-reveal-too-much-about-this-unreleased-device" fashion, there are a couple of blurry, camera phone pictures floating around of an upcoming Treo codenamed, "Hollywood". To collect the facts (rumours?), we know that the Hollywood is a Windows Mobile 5.0-based Phone Edition that is UMTS-compatible, slimmer than the Treo 700w, lacks a protruding antenna, and equipped with a 300MHz processor, 64MB RAM, 128MB ROM, a 1.3-megapixel camera, and a 240 x 240 screen. And we just might see this one with Cingular.<br /><br />Another visually stimulating blurry picture after the break. <!><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060420-Hollywood2.jpg" />

[Foo Fighter]

These photos seem very suspicious to me, especially the second image. The profile bears a striking resemblence to that of the Blackberry, even the way it tapers off at the bottom. After the earlier amateurish hoax, taking a stock Treo 650 and painting it blue, I think someone may have Photoshopped a Blackberry with a Treo 700w.

[DaleReeck]

True, but it also might be a crappy phone camera sneaking a few pictures situation. Especially with photos taken up close, you sometimes can get a warped affect like that.

[Foo Fighter]

That could well be. The first image clearly depicts an antenna-less 700w in a new paint scheme. While the second image looks like a thinner device with a tapered body.

Who knows. I strongly doubt the legitimacy of this product. I find it extremely unlikely that Palm would chop the antenna off a 700w/p, paint it a different color, and then market it as a completely new product. But then again, I said the same thing when the Tungsten T5 was introduced. 8O

[bostonGuy]

Well they squirted a new OS (WM5) into a Treo 650 HW platform (basically - I know I'm simplifying a lot) and called it new!

:lol:

Plus the really new thing about this model is GSM. The 700w was limited to US/Verizon users. GSM is US/Cingular, but also all oF Europe and most of Asia.

A Treo, running WM5 anywhere else but here on Verizon, would not only be new, it would probably be great for Palm to do!

IMHO.

-bostonGuy

[ADBrown]

After the earlier amateurish hoax, taking a stock Treo 650 and painting it blue

To be fair, it wasn't exactly a stock 650: it completely lacked an antenna. Granted, it was probably a user mod, but it's not like it was entirely without cause for excitement.

[alese]

This one could finally be interesting - if it's not another hoax.

UMTS, no antenna + slimmer design would make it a really interesting device, especially outside of the US.
But it's still not for me, 240x240 is just not good enough...

[KTamas]

Finally! The GSM version! I really hope this is not fake (and that there will be an European launch too....)

[PdaAddict]

Is there some kind of limitation, which prevents them from releasing a 480x480 device? 240x240 is a deal breaker for me as well.

[Jason Lee]

Is there some kind of limitation, which prevents them from releasing a 480x480 device? 240x240 is a deal breaker for me as well.

Yes, the current limitation would be the battery.

[Foo Fighter]

If this really is the Hollywood I will be greatly disappointed. I fail to see the point of marketing this as a new product at all. From all appearances it looks like to be a 700w (sans antenna) in a new color. This is Palm's next big product announcement? Yawn.

[jngold_me]

If this really is the Hollywood I will be greatly disappointed. I fail to see the point of marketing this as a new product at all. From all appearances it looks like to be a 700w (sans antenna) in a new color. This is Palm's next big product announcement? Yawn.

Um, 3G UMTS, slimmer form factor, and hopefully 64mb of RAM, I would say that warrants a new product. Plus, remember Verizon has a 6 month exclusive on the 700w. Maybe this is Palm's way of getting the device to another (Cingular) carrier.

[ADBrown]

If this really is the Hollywood I will be greatly disappointed. I fail to see the point of marketing this as a new product at all. From all appearances it looks like to be a 700w (sans antenna) in a new color. This is Palm's next big product announcement? Yawn.

No such thing as the Hollywood anymore, Foo. :devilboy:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12170

This is probably the GSM equivalent to the 700w.

[Foo Fighter]

No such thing as the Hollywood anymore, Foo. :devilboy:

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=12170

This is probably the GSM equivalent to the 700w.

So much for that theory then. Why would the GSM version lack an external antenna? This makes no sense to me.

[Foo Fighter]

Um, 3G UMTS, slimmer form factor....

Where are you getting the slimmer form factor? I see nothing more than a black 700w clone with its external antenna removed.

[xdev]

maybe no external antenna to appeal to the european market?
i mean the 700w is exclusive to a us operator

maybe this is a slight redesign to suit euro tastes? so it can be sold in euro and asia?

[jngold_me]

Um, 3G UMTS, slimmer form factor....

Where are you getting the slimmer form factor? I see nothing more than a black 700w clone with its external antenna removed.


http://blog.treonauts.com/
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?p=1345676#post1345676

Why would the GSM version lack an external antenna?

Not one of the GSM phone I have every had (including my K-JAM) has had an external antenna. Why should the new GSM Treo be any different? I am not complaining.

[Foo Fighter]

It's not slimmer, that's just a matter of perception. The viewing angle simply makes it appear thinner than the device actually is. My Treo 650 exhibits the same characteristic when viewed from the same angle. The device depicted in these shots is an antenna-less 700w.

[jngold_me]

It's not slimmer, that's just a matter of perception. The viewing angle simply makes it appear thinner than the device actually is. My Treo 650 exhibits the same characteristic when viewed from the same angle. The device depicted in these shots is an antenna-less 700w.

I guess we'll know for sure when the official specs are released. Oh btw, the K-JAM is right about the same thickness as the Treo and it sure as heck doesn't display the same characteristics.

[MitchellO]

Why would the GSM version lack an external antenna? This makes no sense to me.


A perfect example is the HTC Wizard (like KJAM) and HTC Apache (PPC-6700). Similar devices, but the GSM version (wizard) lacks the antenna, whilst the CDMA version (Apache) has it.

[ADBrown]

So much for that theory then. Why would the GSM version lack an external antenna? This makes no sense to me.

Verizon requires an external stub antenna on any device it carries. Most GSM phones, on the other hand, are antennaless. They may have kept the antenna to placate Verizon while adopting a more modern styling for the GSM version.

[MitchellO]

So much for that theory then. Why would the GSM version lack an external antenna? This makes no sense to me.

Verizon requires an external stub antenna on any device it carries. Most GSM phones, on the other hand, are antennaless. They may have kept the antenna to placate Verizon while adopting a more modern styling for the GSM version.

Thats interesting. Is it because Verizon want to make sure the phone has better signal, therefore requiring an exernal antenna?

[ADBrown]

(Shrug) Either that, or they think their customers are so stupid that they would forget which end of the phone you're supposed to talk into. I expect it's the signal. Verizon prides themselves on the size of their network, so they'll probably do just about anything to insure maximum reception.

[MitchellO]

I think that the antenna on the 700w would stop me buying it. To me it just seems too old fashioned.

Now the hw6915, thats a well speced phone :D

[Darius Wey]

I think that the antenna on the 700w would stop me buying it. To me it just seems too old fashioned.

Heh, it's all about fashion. We live in an area of the world, much like Europe and parts of Asia, where carrying around a phone with a protruding antenna is about as fashionable as wearing different coloured socks. It's life. It's culture shock. 8O

[MitchellO]

I think that the antenna on the 700w would stop me buying it. To me it just seems too old fashioned.

Heh, it's all about fashion. We live in an area of the world, much like Europe and parts of Asia, where carrying around a phone with a protruding antenna is about as fashionable as wearing different coloured socks. It's life. It's culture shock. 8O

Lol yeah. Some of the 3G phones here in Oz have some ridiculous antennas. My sister has a 3G phone (Sony Ericsson K608i) and it is about the size of my SP5 and has no antenna. I don't see why they need to keep building phones with them.

I was actually quite surprised that my sister beat me to 3G considering she doesn't care about such things. Difference is she has used the 3G features only twice in the 4 months she has owned the phone. I would use them daily :P

Give me a Treo 700w with no antenna, 3G on the 2100Mhz band (for use with 3G here in Australia), WiFi builtin and micro/mini/standard SD slot (I am beyond caring about the slots these days, as long as they aren't totally obscure like xD) and I would sell my SP5/X50v combo tonight. At the moment I will be waiting for the hw6915 for all but the 3G.

[jngold_me]

HP's got alot of nerve releasing the 6900 mid year. It's already way outdated and it's should have been released in place of the 6500. No 3G, no SIRF III chipset, no wireless G.

In it's current state, HP is a non-entity.

[MitchellO]

HP's got alot of nerve releasing the 6900 mid year. It's already way outdated and it's should have been released in place of the 6500. No 3G, no SIRF III chipset, no wireless G.

In it's current state, HP is a non-entity.

I don't really care about the GPS (although it would be a nice-to-have) I am a bit bummed that it doesn't have 3G.

I would die if it had a 480x480 screen though 8O

[fierywater]

Verizon requires an external stub antenna on any device it carries. Most GSM phones, on the other hand, are antennaless. They may have kept the antenna to placate Verizon while adopting a more modern styling for the GSM version.My XV6600 didn't have a stub, and neither do the Blackberries or several of their regular phones. It may be encouraged by Verizon, but it's not required.