09-16-2009, 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by seedoubleyou
AFAIK , NOTHING... that's the point of most of my gripes at least... My 80 looks no different after the update than it did before. And again, there's no tech notes or anything in the formal press release regarding bug fixes... Once again, we'd get better disclosure and support from the open source development community if M$ would just unwad their panties a bit...
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I'm curious...what exactly were you hoping this update would even do? I'm sure the update was mostly to allow it to operate with the new desktop software.
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09-16-2009, 07:31 PM
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Well, I was hoping it would include some of the features we've (the 'legacy' Zune community) have been asking to be added, or in some cases re-added to the firmware.
As I posted on the Zune forums, I only use the Zune bloat desktop software for device management since its a redundant and non-integrated piece of software running on my Windows Media Center PC. I have better things to spend $15/month on than DRM-infested music that stops being mine if I ever decide to cancel my subscription, so I don't take advantage of the marketplace, and I take advantage of Netflix in Windows Media Center for any video needs, so anything beyond sync capabilities in the PC-based software is useless to me.
Therefore, what I personally was looking for was device improvements, not neglect. Most of which many many people were looking for. Crossfade options, unicode font support, device-specific playlist management, and i'm sure there's more.
Again, the fact that anything I've read beyond kool-aid marketing bloat hasn't said anything about fixes or issues addressed.
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09-16-2009, 09:44 PM
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Well, some of those things would have certainly been welcome but I really am not sure why you'd pick a Zune over a lot of the other players out there. You had to have known from the outset that most of your demands would never be met. 
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09-16-2009, 09:47 PM
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a. I got a real good deal on the Zune80 when I got it ($65 from Dell because I had a gift card)
b. I pretty much refuse to buy Apple hardware due to fanboy mentality and its fanaticism for nothing..
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09-16-2009, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by seedoubleyou
Therefore, what I personally was looking for was device improvements, not neglect. Most of which many many people were looking for. Crossfade options, unicode font support, device-specific playlist management, and i'm sure there's more.
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AFAIC no music lover would actually want crossfade. If an album was meant to crossfade, it would have been produced with crossfade. Otherwise, crossfade messes up pretty much every other song transition effect that a producer would use.
And device-specific playlist management... I'm not really sure what you mean by this. If you mean, playlists that only sync with one device, I'm 100% sure you can manage that by setting the sync groups appropriately.
Basically, your requests are all a bunch of low-value items, with questionable payout. Unicode support for song information is the only one with any standing, and I myself am surprized they haven't fixed it yet, considering that from what I've read it's basically dropping the correct fonts onto the device. The only downside is that the fonts go from 130kB to 40MB.
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09-18-2009, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by jdmichal
AFAIC no music lover would actually want crossfade. If an album was meant to crossfade, it would have been produced with crossfade. ...
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I have "Dark Side of the Moon" by Pink Floyd. This album was produced with crossfade and Zune does a miserable job of playing through the transitions. There is a distinct and abrupt pause between tracks in both Zune and the desktop software.
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Originally Posted by jdmichal
...Unicode support for song information is the only one with any standing, and I myself am surprized they haven't fixed it yet, considering that from what I've read it's basically dropping the correct fonts onto the device. The only downside is that the fonts go from 130kB to 40MB.
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You'd think this was a simple task considering it is already part of Windows CE. Pity they didn't implement it. I have some Japanese tracks that would look better than the random characters that appear.
I would have also liked better position control in a Podcast. As it is you can only jump 15 minutes or more back and forth. Pretty useless if you just missed what they said a few seconds back.
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09-22-2009, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by stlbud
I would have also liked better position control in a Podcast. As it is you can only jump 15 minutes or more back and forth. Pretty useless if you just missed what they said a few seconds back.
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On the older Zunes you can do this by holding down the pad in the direction you want to go. If you click it you will get the 15min jump.
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09-22-2009, 06:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jdmichal
AFAIC no music lover would actually want crossfade. If an album was meant to crossfade, it would have been produced with crossfade. Otherwise, crossfade messes up pretty much every other song transition effect that a producer would use.
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I think he meant gapless playback when he said crossfade. Gapless playback is a must have when playing concept albums, where the songs flow into one another. The Zune does not have gapless playback but it still is fairly fast at changing tracks compared to some.
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09-22-2009, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by David Tucker
I'm curious...what exactly were you hoping this update would even do? I'm sure the update was mostly to allow it to operate with the new desktop software.
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Actually, the Zune will operate fine without the firmware update and the v4 desktop software installed. I've got two Zunes, one with, one without, and cannot detect a difference. You are given a choice, upgrade or not.
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