HP iPAQ 200 Enterprise Handheld

[Jason Dunn]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://tinyurl.com/2m3n2q' target='_blank'>http://tinyurl.com/2m3n2q</a><br /><br /></div><a href="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/ppct/2007/IPAQ-200-highres.jpg"><img src="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/ppct/2007/IPAQ-200-lowres.jpg" /></a><br />[click image above for high-resolution photo]<br /><br />Next up in HP's flood of new devices we have the HP iPAQ 200 series Enterprise Handheld. This is a device that will excite many of you hard-core Pocket PC fans who don't want a phone but instead want a kick-ass Pocket PC. Check the specs: 802.11 b/g, 624 mhz Marvell PXA310 CPU, a four VGA (640 x 480) inch screen (260K colours), 64 MB of RAM, 256 MB of Flash ROM, 2200 mAH battery, mini USB connector, 802.11 b/g WiFi, Bluetooth 2.0, 3.5mm headphone jack, and weighs 6.8 ounces. The dimensions are 4.96" x 2.99" x 0.63".<br /><br />What confuses me is the expansion slots - on the description page it says "store business-critical information with high-capacity SDIO and CompactFlash expansion" yet on the specifications page it says "Micro SD card slot". The PDF I have here says SDIO and CF, so I'm going to assume that's correct - in which case we have a very interesting device! Dual slots, VGA screen, fast CPU - the 64 MB of RAM is a pity, as 128 MB would have been much nicer, but most users should be able to make do with 64 MB since it's not a phone and thus will have a lot fewer processes running all the time. I've seen many people wanting a nice VGA device, so if you're OK with the $449 USD price tag, I think this might be the device for you.<br /><br /><a href="http://images.thoughtsmedia.com/ppct/2007/iPAQ_200_datasheet_Final.pdf">Check out the complete spec sheet</a> if you want more details. We'll do our best to get you a review of this new device as well.

[Deslock]

weighs 3.68 ounces
I think that might be a typo... it's 6.8 ounces according to the spec sheet.

[jhennig]

It's too bad that it isn't any better. Don't get me wrong, it sounds like a solid Pocket PC, but it sounds very similar to my Dell X51v which I have had for over two years now. :roll: Isn't anyone other than Toshiba interested in doing anything for the "old school" Pocket PC users who don't feel the need to be connected to their phone all the time?

Even Toshiba seems to put stuff out only here and there without much bang.

[Jason Dunn]

I think that might be a typo... it's 6.8 ounces according to the spec sheet.

"114.6g (3.68 oz) w/battery" is what the HP product site says, but you're right, the PDF says 6.8 ounces, which sounds much more reasonable. Fixing...

[Darius Wey]

It's good to see HP release a couple of Classic devices. I know plenty of people that aren't particularly interested in a converged device, yet still want something up-to-date and with all the grunt of the Axim X50/X51 series. Seems like this fits the bill.

[cab124]

I thought for sure that HP was finally going to give me a converged device with a VGA screen to replace my Dell x50v and LG cell phone. Once again, I am out of luck.

[captgoodhope]

No SDHC? :roll:

[juni]

The only interesting device in the bunch, but does it match up to the Advantage I wonder...

[techNeuron]

Slightly bigger than the x51v. Although the screen is 4", where the x51v is 3.7". The specs didn't mention a graphics processor. I wonder how that will affect the speed of the display.

It would be nice if it had GPS, 128MB, and a jog switch (man I miss that). Then I might consider it. Right now it looks like my x51v (with 128 MB upgrade from PCTech) will have to do.

[j92627]

I am relieved that there is some device with a large screen. I had become almost despondent that most current devices have cramped 2.8 inch screens. The most important feature to me for a device is the screen: resolution and size. I can't imagine the Ulimate trying to squeeze VGA productivity (i.e. content not only "eye appeal") onto a 2.8 inch screen.

The other point is that this device has a decent form factor. Had this device included telephony then it would be thick, a brick. This device's form factor works, and in this regard I believe it holds to the spirit of the original iPAQs. Besides the RAM (PPCTechs to the rescue), good job HP!

[Huck33]

it is a new hx4700 without the touchpad (great thing)
but nothing new
the screen : same size as the hx4700 and same resolution
Dual slots.... not necessary, now why not use High capacity SD card?

the quantity is ridiculous (64 :roll: )


i am very suprise that HP choose to show a new Pocket pc whan all competitors have PDA phone

on HP website, it's written that the pda has a SDIO slot and a CF slot:

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4407/200xv6.jpg

[johnm]

Yeah, seriously I've already had this device for years. It's called the iPaq 4700. In fact the 4700 is a bit thinner and lighter. Someone please explain what this is bringing that is new. From a quick scan it seems only a bit more rom and better battery. Add a phone to it and maybe it would be interesting.

Why won't someone bother to make a decent VGA phone edition? I can't believe they still bother to make devices with QVGA res. Come on the new ipod Nano has 320x240 res. I think it is time to step it up a bit.

[Menneisyys]

Yeah, seriously I've already had this device for years. It's called the iPaq 4700. In fact the 4700 is a bit thinner and lighter. Someone please explain what this is bringing that is new. From a quick scan it seems only a bit more rom and better battery.

Well, also: flawless WM6 support - no compaction issues. In this regard, it's definitely better than the hx4700 with the Football ROM's

Add a phone to it and maybe it would be interesting.

Why won't someone bother to make a decent VGA phone edition?

Wait for the HTC Omni ;)


I can't believe they still bother to make devices with QVGA res. Come on the new ipod Nano has 320x240 res. I think it is time to step it up a bit.

Many people will still prefer QVGA for several reason:
- graphics speed (particularly games - many games are just unplayable on most VGA devices (except,in general, the x50v / x51v))
- low readability (particularly with VGA on 2.8" screens)
- power consumption

[Menneisyys]

No SDHC? :roll:

I don't think HP has made so big a mistake... must be a mistype in the specs.

(And, some devices can be made SDHC-compliant via a ROM upgrade - for example, the Dell Axim x50v/x51v with the latest Football ROM's)

[Menneisyys]

It's good to see HP release a couple of Classic devices. I know plenty of people that aren't particularly interested in a converged device, yet still want something up-to-date and with all the grunt of the Axim X50/X51 series. Seems like this fits the bill.

I only wish it had a dedicated 3D graphics accelerator (2700G / GoForce 5500).

It seems I won't be able to retire my (in general, inferior; particularly Landscape screen polarization-wise) x51v, should I need to run 3D games or emulators making (great) advantage of the 2700G.

[Menneisyys]

Slightly bigger than the x51v. Although the screen is 4", where the x51v is 3.7". The specs didn't mention a graphics processor. I wonder how that will affect the speed of the display.


My main grief with this model too. This is why I won't get it but wait for the HTC Omni instead (which does have 3D acceleration). And, it seems I won't retire my hx4700 either.

[Menneisyys]

the screen : same size as the hx4700 and same resolution

One of the biggest advantages of the hx4700 over all the other PPC's (not taken into the 5" x7500/x7501/Advantage/Athena into account, which is quite much a brick) is is 4" and absolutely gorgeous (no polarization problems in Landscape, as opposed to the cheapo screen of the x50v/ x51v). It's becauose of this fact that the hx4700 is still very popular.


Dual slots.... not necessary, now why not use High capacity SD card?

While I do agree the situation has changed a lot (to the advantage of the SD platform; also price-wise: now, high-capacity SD cards are cheaper than CF cards of the same capacity), the advantage of SD is really big. However, there are still cases you'll really welcome CF support; for example, if you have a no-SD card camera like the Oly E-410. Should you want to quickly review / transfer your images from your PDA, then, a CF-enabled one will be of advantage.

[Dyvim]

Yeah, seriously I've already had this device for years. It's called the iPaq 4700. In fact the 4700 is a bit thinner and lighter. Someone please explain what this is bringing that is new. From a quick scan it seems only a bit more rom and better battery.

OS: WM 6
screen: 18 bit color (260K colors) instead of 16 bit (64K)
newer processor: PXA310 (http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/application/pxa310.jsp)- which does have some built-in 2D acceleration (not sure how or if it will be used) plus better power management
wireless: 802.11g
Bluetooth: 2.0 + EDR
SD: now with SDHC (according to this spec sheet (http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12781_na/12781_na.HTML), don't know if it's true. That sheet also lists 128 MB RAM - would like to believe it but with the conflicting info have to believe unfortunately in only 64 MB.)
price: much cheaper than the original 4700 even discounting inflation.
buttons: no more trackpad

Yes it's basically a refreshed 4700, but there's nothing wrong with that. The huge thing for me is dual slot support. Yes there were several PDAs from 2003/2004 that had them, but AFAIK no WM6, non-industrial PDA has them. It's great to see a stand-alone PDA with dual slots, big VGA screen, and decent specs (apart from the 64 MB RAM).

[Dyvim]

The only interesting device in the bunch, but does it match up to the Advantage I wonder...

Depends what you want- and how much you're willing/able to pay for it.

Advantage has:
* 128 MB RAM
* 5" screen but 16-bit color (although some htc specs still list 18-bit color, not sure which it really is)
* graphics card (that TCPMP/CorePlayer can't take advantage of yet)
* quadband phone with triband HSDPA
* GPS
* keyboard
* camera
* 8 GB microdrive
* microSDHC expansion slot
* giant form factor
* $850 price tag

HP 210 has:
* 4" screen but 18-bit color
* newer PXA310 processor (same 624 MHz speed)
* SDHC + CF expansion slots
* merely large form factor
* $450 price tag

for me CF expansion slot is huge. I'd trade an 8 GB microdrive for a CF slot any day (as I already have several CF cards to use in one).

I'm an old Toshi e830 user, so I love this form factor. That said, I have an Advantage coming in through work, so will be interesting to see how they compare. Before this HP announcement, I was sure that the Advantage was the only modern device I was interested in, but now I'm not so sure! :cry: I might just have to get both if I can manage it. :D

[jhennig]

It would probably help things to keep moving forward if there was some competition. Now, there are very few standalone Pocket PCs in comparison to the number of PDA Phones. Apparently, now that they can make PDA Phones easily with their tiny screens, no one cares about specs or screen size much anymore.

[gavinfabl]

Disappointing this one.

One of my pda's is a Fujitsu Siemens n560. VGA. Usb Host and GPS chip built in. This pda is minus these features and lacks decent memory.

The 900 however does interest me.

[Jason Dunn]

No SDHC? :roll:

I'm about 95% sure it will be SDHC - every other device announced is SDHC, it wouldn't make any sense for them to have one device that isn't SDHC...

[thierryb]

Why won't someone bother to make a decent VGA phone edition?
O2 with Arima does it: XDA Flame

[Menneisyys]

Disappointing this one.

One of my pda's is a Fujitsu Siemens n560. VGA. Usb Host and GPS chip built in. This pda is minus these features and lacks decent memory.

The 900 however does interest me.

There's and there will be no official WM6 for the N560 (not counting in Football's unofficial WM6 ROM's - if he makes them, that is.)

Also, it doesn't have BT2 + EDR and its screen is 3.5" only. The 4" screen of the new HP is very hard to beat (even if it indeed results in a big size increase).

[Len M.]

This looks to be a winner, especially for all the add-on manufacturers that need that CF slot and a second memory slot.

Closest currently available PDA to this is probably the Socket Mobile SoMo 650-M.

The 650-M is around $200 more expensive, but it offer USB 2.0 Host capability via its cradle and USB 1.1 directly from the PDA -- the HP does not. SoMo runs WM5.

Both have dual slots (CF and SD). I'm not sure, but I think that the SoMo does not accept SDHC cards. Since the HP runs WM6, there's a good chance it will accept SDHC cards.

Oddly, a somewhat viable competitor to both of these PDAs is the long discontinued Dell Axim X50v (not the X51v), upgraded to WM6. See this thread for details about a ROM that will upgrade the X50v:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322498

[Menneisyys]

Oddly, a somewhat viable competitor to both of these PDAs is the long discontinued Dell Axim X50v (not the X51v), upgraded to WM6. See this thread for details about a ROM that will upgrade the X50v:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=322498

Let's not forget, however, that the x50v has a vastly inferior screen and battery life (at least compared to the hx4700, of which the new 200-series is an upgrade). And, of course, its (illegal) ROM upgrade isn't official.

[Mikey]

Might be a good replacement for my Axim x50v when it bites the dust. 1st good thing we've seen in years from HP. When's it due out? Wonder if they'll try to slip by the 90 day warranty vs. the 1 year standard on this one. Glad to see another 624 processor, though the RAM is weak, especially years later.

[crimsonsky]

Quite frankly, this is the first device I've seen in a while that I would consider a suitable replacement for my Loox 720. Of course, my Loox still has a lot of life left to it, but I may get one of these and use my Loox as a standby device and finally put my hx2415 to rest.

[IpaqMan2]

In regards to this announcement...

YES!!!!

About Freaking Time!

I dont want to hear that this device is no better than Axim -Stand alone PPCs is a dead market, but HP has breathed some life back in to the market.

I dont have words to express my joy. I had all but given up on PPCs (After using WM smart phones for near 2 years - I came back to the HX4700 - because it was still the BEST PDA on the market).

Though I will miss the touch directional pad on the 4700 (Truly offers one hand operation) I can now look forward to getting a replacement that has a 640x480 display and
4 inches of screen display
and it has an updated OS.

HP has won my business!

[Mikey]

That's why there are so many devices. Personally I don't see this device as much of an improvement over the iPAQ 4700 or the x51v, aside from the OS upgrade. It's certainly not leaps &amp; bounds over either of the older devices &amp; certainly not worth upgrading UNLESS you were forced to IMHO.

[disconnected]

Maybe I'm just hard to please, but it's hard to get too excited by this. There's a good chance I'll get one, because my 4700 is getting worn out, but I can't see that it's actually adding anything new and exciting.

On the 4700 I've installed most apps to SD or filestore, but I'm constantly running low on RAM and being told I must close something even if the only thing I'm running is IE with two windows open (MultiIE).

I can easily live with a non-converged device plus my bluetooth phone (in any case most of the converged devices are too small for me and don't work on Sprint). If this had more RAM, GPS, and maybe a camera, I'd be really pleased. The HTC Advantage has everthing I want, but I'd never use the keyboard, and with its slanted sides and button layout, it doesn't seemed to be designed for comfortable holding in portrait position, especially since there aren't any flip-style cases for the PPC without the keyboard.

[Fellwalker]

At least I now know what to do when my hx4700 bites the dust.

Try Opera mini instead of ie. I have had upto 8 tabs open on my 4700. But, yes, the lack of core memory is an issue, as is driver memory. Every so often i hvae to reboot to use bluetooth.

What is all the fuss about this being a big machine as a phone. :? DO you not use your bluetooth earpiece? I certainly do. Jabra 250 or 500. :D THe latter I have used all day, without discomfort.

And with my Arkon powered PDA mount and a bluetotth hub in my car I can recharge the 4700, my phone and my earpice all at once. And the gps receiver via a dedicated charging cord.

The new Jabra 5020 looks great, with longer life and wind noise reduction.

I would love my 4700 to have internal gps and to be a phone. Even with a bigger battery its better.

Small screens are a pain. With my 4700 the 4 inch screen is great, and I can read ebooks while walking, while using it to listen to my mp3s.
On my phone I can hardly read the saved names without glasses.

[Mark R Penn]

Well, this could be the one to go for when I ditch my converged device, which was a BIG mistake - crap phone, crap PPC, lacklustre camera! Jack of all trades, master of none :(

Two things I don't understand though:

1) The pdf says you can sync over wifi - I thought that was still impossible, even though I haven't tried it for ages as I'm on a Mac and therefore not using Activesync?

2) No hardware soft keys? So I lose the one thing I DO like about my TyTN; one handed stylus free operation?

Mark

[norti]

OMG, after Fujitsu-Siemens announced the discontinuation of their great PDAs, I thought the classic PDA market has died. I still want to replace my old Mio 558 for a non-phone PDA with VGA and HP now gives me at least one opportunity. I need CF for my GPS and it has BT, WiFi, WM6 and more-more memory than my mio. I don't need 3D acceleration, because I only play puzzle or classic adventure games.

I think I'll definitely buy this :)

[Warden]

It does have 128 MB of RAM. (http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13316)

A quote from the link:

"UPDATE: I just heard from HP that the marketing materials on this device were incorrect. The iPAQ 210 will have 128 MB of RAM, not 64 MB as stated earlier."

Cheers!

[Menneisyys]

That's why there are so many devices. Personally I don't see this device as much of an improvement over the iPAQ 4700 or the x51v, aside from the OS upgrade. It's certainly not leaps &amp; bounds over either of the older devices &amp; certainly not worth upgrading UNLESS you were forced to IMHO.

The same here. While it's certainly an improvement over the hx4700 (which is just a second general PDA for me because of the lacking GSM connectivity), it still lacks a lot of important stuff; for example, hardware softkeys, jog dial and 3D accelerator. That is, I'll stick with the hx4700, as far as non-converged devices are concerned (and will get the HTC Omni when it's released).

[Menneisyys]

Try Opera mini instead of ie. I have had upto 8 tabs open on my 4700. But, yes, the lack of core memory is an issue, as is driver memory. Every so often i hvae to reboot to use bluetooth.


With Opera Mini (both the pre-4 and the 4 Beta 2 - NOT beta1 in full rendering mode!) , you can keep many more active documents open at the same time - about 20-30. Without eating too much memory.

BTW, do you use Football's WM5 AKU 3.5.2 ROM? It's not illegal, as opposed to the WM6 ROM's. If you don't, DO install it - you'll LOVE it.

[UCCOFFEE]

I m happy that they get rid of the Integrated touchpad navigation with mouse-like cursor in the Hx4700.
But !
Where is the Integrated IrDA FIR (fast infrared)???
i use my 4700 mainly as my remote control ..... no FIR ... why....

[Deslock]

When I read the 3.68 ounces weight in the original story, I perked up a bit (I'm not in the market for any devices, but I still read the tech blogs out of interest).

But unfortunately that was a typo from HP's site. At 6.8 ounces (and 16mm thick), I gotta say this is underwhelming. I loved the screen on my hx4700, but sold it because it was too hefty to always carry around. I got an X50v which was cheaper and a tad more pocketable, but it was still too big to carry everywhere (and its battery life and screen were mediocre).

Additionaly this device is being announced three years after HP's own hx4700, and the improvements are minimal. Not only that, but the 200 apparently lacks a 3D/video accelerator, IrDA FIR, and is heavier and thicker than the hx4700. WTF!

Sure not everyone wants a camera, phone, keyboard, GPS, or 16GB of memory, but if you're not going to include those things then why is the 200 so thick and heavy? Not to bring up Apple (I know it's a taboo subject around here) but the 200 is over 60% heavier and twice as thick as the iPod Touch. Now I expect a little extra size and weight due to the additional buttons, two memory slots, removable battery, and larger screen, but given the iPod Touch's 4.2-ounce, 8 mm-thick formfactor, doesn't it seem possible to make a device with the 200's features in a sub-6-ounce, sub-15-mm device?

[phmurphy]

Getting warmer and I am glad that HP isn't dead in the PDA (not a phone) business.

I am a scientist that needs a good fast durable PDA with a 4" screen so I can run data collection programs and programs like ArcPad that needs to load aerial photograps fast (i.e. 128M+ fast RAM and as fast a processor as possible without burning my hand). Phone? I have a nice cheap cell phone, and it is totally optional in the PDA as far as my needs is concerned.

Hey HP, build a PDA for us scientists - Please. I would love to try the 300 model.

Thanks,
Pat

[juni]

Heh, I realize you are all right. I already have this device - the hx4700 :D. Only new thing would be WM6.

[Powderfinger]

Finally! A viable replacement for my aging hx4700. I use my hx4700 everyday. I was getting worried as until now the only replacements were underpowered or too big. UMPC's would not be a good fit for my in the field data collection. I don't want to lug one of those up into an eagle's nest to record data! I wish the new 210 had GPS built in and a scroll wheel like on my old Toshiba e800 would have been nice too. I would have thought that the processor speed would have been increased as I get my hx4700 bogged down now with GPS, Mapping Software and Excel files open at the same time. Still it is more functional than any of the 400MHz processors out there. Dual slots rule. CF and SD with adaptors and you can read nearly any card out there, so you can download photos from most any camera, view them and post them to the web. All the really good digital SLR cameras have CF anyway. I just hope they increase the RAM and ROM. Sounds like a visit to PocketPC Techs will be in order for the 210 as well. It really helped my hx4700! I can't wait to get one.

[goofy166]

My order receipt from HP says the iPAQ Enterprise 210 has 128MB of RAM.

[goofy166]

[quote=juni]The only interesting device in the bunch, but does it match up to the Advantage I wonder...

The 210 has 128MB of memory and cost $399.

[Len M.]

No SDHC? :roll:

I'm about 95% sure it will be SDHC - every other device announced is SDHC, it wouldn't make any sense for them to have one device that isn't SDHC...

Ed Hardy on Brighthand says that it has SDHC.

http://www.brighthand.com/default.asp?newsID=13316

And the HP spec page also confirms this for the 210:

http://h18000.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/12781_na/12781_na.HTML

though the 211 spec page still says it has a micro-SD slot.

[goofy166]

HP just canceled my order for a Series 210. I thought they would give me a choice to keep my order. Nope. Wonder why?

Here is what they said:

We are sorry. The HP iPAQ 210 Enterprise Handheld (MFG# FB040AA#ABA), on your order is not yet available. Our warehouse is expecting a launch date for 10/22. We apologize for the inconvenience this is causing you. If you would like to contact a sales rep in regards to another purchase, you can reach the sales department at 800-888-5858.
Unfortunately, due the fact that we cannot fulfill your order, the order will need to be canceled at this time.
We understand your current selection is your first choice and again, we are sorry it's not available.
We look forward to doing business with you again in the future.
Thank you,

[dringo]

For those of you in the states, don't moan about the price! $449 is excellent, until it gets shipped to my neck of the woods in the UK. Unfortunatly the dollar sign is replaced with a pound sign, which is what happened to my hx4700.
Im sure we will be paying £449 ($898) in the UK for this device.

[Paula]

I can't believe this. 8O
I'm shocked. I have been gone from this forum for quite a while (at least 3 years) and when I come back to see what is new and exciting in the HP iPaq world I find that my trusty, always working, dual slotted 2215 is still one of the best devices that HP has ever made. Nothing that HP currently has on the market quite thrills me like my 2215 still does. Looks like I'll be keeping my 2215 for a while longer. How sad. :(

Edited to add:

The Sena case I bought for my 2215 looks as good as the day I bought it (thanks Sena) and has protected my 2215 from the dreaded rubber sideburns drop off. No I don't work for Sena, I just love their products.

[DaViD_BRaNDoN]

Anyone knows where I can get the new HP iPAQ blue theme?

[goofy166]

HP has changed there web site for the 100, 200 and 600 so they now say Comming Soon. 2 weeks ago they had a firm ship date. My order was canceled instead of back ordered which confused me until I saw this HP footnote:

"HP is not liable for pricing errors. If you place an order for a product that was incorrectly priced, we will cancel your order and credit you for any charges" :devilboy:

What this tells me is the original pricing of the new iPAQ line is being revised (probalbbly upwards).

Mit

[juni]

What this tells me is the original pricing of the new iPAQ line is being revised (probalbbly upwards).

...making the Advantage look even better. :D

[Cirrob]

What this tells me is the original pricing of the new iPAQ line is being revised (probalbbly upwards).

...making the Advantage look even better. :D

yeah I have to agree. the only thing that was holding my interest was the price. But if they are going to increase it, I am inclined just to buy the advantage.

[goofy166]

Can anyone tell me what the Advantage is?

[thierryb]

The HTC x7500 = advantage

[Nurhisham Hussein]

Can anyone tell me what the Advantage is?

The Advantage (also known by its code-name Athena) is HTC's top-of-the-line uber-PDA, psuedo-laptop device. In the US it's called the x7501 Advantage, in Europe under T-Mobile the Ameo, and in Asia it can generally be found as the Dopod U1000. You can get a quick rundown of the device here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54534&highlight=advantage). The Advantage has since been upgraded to WM6. You can also do a Google search for "HTC Adevantage" - there's a ton of reviews out, because of the interest in this device.

[Menneisyys]

Can anyone tell me what the Advantage is?

The Advantage (also known by its code-name Athena) is HTC's top-of-the-line uber-PDA, psuedo-laptop device. In the US it's called the x7501 Advantage, in Europe under T-Mobile the Ameo, and in Asia it can generally be found as the Dopod U1000. You can get a quick rundown of the device here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54534&highlight=advantage). The Advantage has since been upgraded to WM6. You can also do a Google search for "HTC Adevantage" - there's a ton of reviews out, because of the interest in this device.

You may still want to check out the HTC Omni - if it does materialize, that is :)

[Cirrob]

Can anyone tell me what the Advantage is?

The Advantage (also known by its code-name Athena) is HTC's top-of-the-line uber-PDA, psuedo-laptop device. In the US it's called the x7501 Advantage, in Europe under T-Mobile the Ameo, and in Asia it can generally be found as the Dopod U1000. You can get a quick rundown of the device here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54534&highlight=advantage). The Advantage has since been upgraded to WM6. You can also do a Google search for "HTC Adevantage" - there's a ton of reviews out, because of the interest in this device.

You may still want to check out the HTC Omni - if it does materialize, that is :)

The Omni looks as though it is a prettier version of the tytnII with a slower processor and a prettier look. Little bit more memory I guess. But I need a power house, and convergence isnt appealing to me. The advantage seems to fit the bill, but it is slightly too bog for my needs (Price and physical size). The 210 on the other hand is a little smaller but nearly identicle memory and processor specs... with a smaller price tag.

[Menneisyys]

The Omni looks as though it is a prettier version of the tytnII with a slower processor and a prettier look.

Well, it's supposed to be the direct upgrade of the Universal. That is, if you want something like the Universal, but definitely better, you'll want to check it out first. There isn't really anything comparable to the Omni - other HTC models are either way too big (Advantage) or don't have (W)VGA at all (smaller models).

Also, its CPU isn't necessarily slower than that of the 624 MHz Advantage. While opinions do differ on the speed and efficiency on the Qualcomm chipset, I don't think it'll be noticeably slower than the pretty much outdated PXA 270 in the Advantage. (Of course, the Marvel series in the HP 200 is another question - it's a definite improvement over the 270.)

[Sonichedgehog360]

This is what I sent to CoreCodec, hoping they'll optimize CorePlayer for the new PXA310 processor:

I've a had keen sense for PDA processors (not at the code-level, but all from their data sheets and reviews from dev-kit producers) since the introduction of the Pocket PC. This is my opinion concerning the following:

The PXA310 processor is going to be light years ahead of the Axim x51v. According to Marvell it "supports up to VGA decode and encode performance for codecs including H.264, MPEG-4, H.263, MPEG-2, and Microsoft WMV9." http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/application/PXA310_PB_R4.pdf

Overall, Marvell has really souped-up the Monahan processor from what Intel had (and who said the Little Engine couldn't?). In regular tasks, it can provide 50% to 100% more performance than the PXA270 with the same clock speed according to a Marvell phone representative (1200-1600 MIPS versus the abysmal 1000 MIPS of Intel's design at 1.2 GHz). When properly optimized, it can do even better with the 2D, WMMX2, and Video co-processors. Marvell has even a source of an optimized OpenGL ES driver to help utilize the processor's full capabilities. Hopefully, this next wave of PDA will receive the spotlight in a greater magnitude akin to the PXA270+2700G of the previous generation.

Thus, CoreCodec, don't forget to optimize your code for devices featuring this new processor, including the HP Ipaq 110 and 210.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=storefronts&amp;landing=handhelds&amp;category=handhelds&amp;subcat1=&amp;catLevel=1&amp;product_code=FA979AA%23ABA&amp;tab=detailed_specs#defaultAnchor
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=storefronts&amp;landing=handhelds&amp;category=handhelds&amp;subcat1=&amp;catLevel=1&amp;product_code=FB041AA%23ABA&amp;tab=detailed_specs#defaultAnchor

I loved what you have done so far from your early beginnings. Hopefully you will realize the awesome potential and profit of this new processor. And, while you're at it, get ready for the OMAP 3 in 2009, which will feature high-definition video support, 3D co-processor (PowerVR SGX) with 13.5 polygons/sec and Shader Model 3 support, and a host of other features.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/pr/pressrelease.jhtml?prelId=sc07031
http://focus.ti.com/docs/pr/pressrelease.jhtml?prelId=sc06023
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&amp;navigationId=12643&amp;contentId=14649&amp;DCMP=WTBU&amp;HQS=Other+OT+omap3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR

Edit:
According to the following sites, H.264 at D1 resolution (720p, 30fps) is supported (sweet!):
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8290441804.html
http://www.marvell.com/press/pressNewsDisplay.do?releaseID=680

[Menneisyys]

This is what I sent to CoreCodec, hoping they'll optimize CorePlayer for the new PXA310 processor:

I've a had keen sense for PDA processors (not at the code-level, but all from their data sheets and reviews from dev-kit producers) since the introduction of the Pocket PC. This is my opinion concerning the following:

The PXA310 processor is going to be light years ahead of the Axim x51v. According to Marvell it "supports up to VGA decode and encode performance for codecs including H.264, MPEG-4, H.263, MPEG-2, and Microsoft WMV9." http://www.marvell.com/products/cellular/application/PXA310_PB_R4.pdf

Overall, Marvell has really souped-up the Monahan processor from what Intel had (and who said the Little Engine couldn't?). In regular tasks, it can provide 50% to 100% more performance than the PXA270 with the same clock speed according to a Marvell phone representative (1200-1600 MIPS versus the abysmal 1000 MIPS of Intel's design at 1.2 GHz). When properly optimized, it can do even better with the 2D, WMMX2, and Video co-processors. Marvell has even a source of an optimized OpenGL ES driver to help utilize the processor's full capabilities. Hopefully, this next wave of PDA will receive the spotlight in a greater magnitude akin to the PXA270+2700G of the previous generation.

Thus, CoreCodec, don't forget to optimize your code for devices featuring this new processor, including the HP Ipaq 110 and 210.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=storefronts&amp;landing=handhelds&amp;category=handhelds&amp;subcat1=&amp;catLevel=1&amp;product_code=FA979AA%23ABA&amp;tab=detailed_specs#defaultAnchor
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/shopping/product_detail.do?storeName=storefronts&amp;landing=handhelds&amp;category=handhelds&amp;subcat1=&amp;catLevel=1&amp;product_code=FB041AA%23ABA&amp;tab=detailed_specs#defaultAnchor

I loved what you have done so far from your early beginnings. Hopefully you will realize the awesome potential and profit of this new processor. And, while you're at it, get ready for the OMAP 3 in 2009, which will feature high-definition video support, 3D co-processor (PowerVR SGX) with 13.5 polygons/sec and Shader Model 3 support, and a host of other features.
http://focus.ti.com/docs/pr/pressrelease.jhtml?prelId=sc07031
http://focus.ti.com/docs/pr/pressrelease.jhtml?prelId=sc06023
http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&amp;navigationId=12643&amp;contentId=14649&amp;DCMP=WTBU&amp;HQS=Other+OT+omap3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerVR


1. welcome to PPCT :)

2. Great summary (I see you've also cross-posted it to http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=480.0 ). Hope the CorePlayer folks do what they have promised at http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=451.0 and http://www.corecodec.com/forums/index.php?topic=177.0

[goofy166]

Winding back to the subject of this thread, HP made the iPAQ 210 available to buy on the HP web site, since canceling all orders back in September. I put my order in on 10/18/07 and got a confirmation from HP on the 19th one day later. Today (20th) I recevied an email from HP:

"Due to a delay in fulfilling your order, it may miss the estimated ship date that was on your original order confirmation. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.

We will contact you again with an updated status of your order if it has not shipped within ten days of this notice. If you are unable to wait for shipment, you may cancel your order by replying to this email or calling.... "

This email does give me lots of choices, but it also gives HP another 10 days to hold on to it without comment. I'm going to call the number on Monday and see what the partly line is.

My guess is the device is not finished and they are using the sale to get a feeling for the number they need to manufacturer. I have no proof of this, its just a guess based on intuition.

I really think its super large VGA screen is going to contribute to making the HP iPSQ 210 a home run, if they can get the darn thing on the market.

Mitch Waite

[Menneisyys]

Winding back to the subject of this thread, HP made the iPAQ 210 available to buy on the HP web site, since canceling all orders back in September. I put my order in on 10/18/07 and got a confirmation from HP on the 19th one day later. Today (20th) I recevied an email from HP:

"Due to a delay in fulfilling your order, it may miss the estimated ship date that was on your original order confirmation. We sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.

We will contact you again with an updated status of your order if it has not shipped within ten days of this notice. If you are unable to wait for shipment, you may cancel your order by replying to this email or calling.... "

This email does give me lots of choices, but it also gives HP another 10 days to hold on to it without comment. I'm going to call the number on Monday and see what the partly line is.

My guess is the device is not finished and they are using the sale to get a feeling for the number they need to manufacturer. I have no proof of this, its just a guess based on intuition.

I really think its super large VGA screen is going to contribute to making the HP iPSQ 210 a home run, if they can get the darn thing on the market.

Mitch Waite

btw, on their page, they state it
ll be released in 2008

[goofy166]

Where may I ask did you see that 2008 is the release date?

[Menneisyys]

Where may I ask did you see that 2008 is the release date?

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF05a/215348-215348-64929-314903-215384-3544499.html

[disconnected]

Is it just me or have all the new models disappeared from the regular iPAQ product page? Last time I looked, they were shown on the same page as the current models, with "Coming soon" in red, but now I can't find them at all.

[goofy166]

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF04a/215348-215348-64929-314903-215384.html

Looks like everything has been removed that was new except for the 110 Classic Handheld and the 210 Enterprise.

Pretty confusing HP.

[disconnected]

Thanks, I see it now. It used to show up with the home/home office iPAQs and now I guess it's just in the business section.

In any case, it's very disappointing, and will be even more out of date by the time it's finally released. The least they could do is add GPS.

[goofy166]

I got this today. HP does not seem to be firing on all cylinders. This is the second time they have taken my order only to tell me a few days later they dont have it ready. This time its not coming out until Feb of 08!!! Come on guys...are they really that bad at launching? This feels so much like "lets test the waters and who gives a hoot what the customers think".

In the one camp you have HP constantly making promises and then missing delivery dates and in the other camp we have Apple who when they say a the iPhone will be out out Friday at 6PM you can take it to the bank.

Dear customer:

From your HP order item # ABCDEFGHIJ (HP iPAQ 210 Enterprise Handheld) will not be released through this year, they are on shipping hold with no estimated ship date, the most accurate information is that this IPAQ might be available for the end of February 08, we do apologize for this inconvenience, unfortunately you order will have to be canceled, if you have received partial shipments from your order, please give us a call at 1-800-888-0292 opt 4 and any customer service representative will be glad to help you with the return, or if you want to check some other IPAQ options please give us a call at 1-800-888-5858 opt 2 op1 and any sales representative will be glad to assist you.
Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks

[iant54]

Interestingly, it's still listed on the HP UK site as being available for purchase, with a price (http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-80594387.html).

Plus the various retailers in the UK seem to be keeping to a 31st October release date. I suppose we'll be disappointed soon, too!

[wetsleet]

I ordered (UK) direct from HP.co.uk on 22/10. The order isn't cancelled yet! They tell me:
Thank you for shopping at the HP Store.
Your order has been accepted.
We currently expect to have your complete order in stock by 31/10/2007, and delivered to you 1-2 working days after that. This is based on the information provided from our warehouse and factories, but may change. We regret that we cannot guarantee a particular date for delivery to you.
Curiously, they gave me free shipping and £40 off the purchase price - they do seem very keen to shift stock they don't have. The £40 discount was because I signed up for email offers etc.
I await with great impatience to see if the goods turn up...
The specific model designation is HP iPAQ 200 Enterprise Handheld (FB043AT). I see that there are myriad different model designations (see http://h20195.www2.hp.com/PDF/c01161668.pdf and that FB043AT is designated "top vale". Does anybody know the significance of this, and the difference with FB043AA?
For that matter, what is the crucial difference between the UK model and other regions which means that we get product whilst the rest of the world awaits on component supply issues?

[wetsleet]

shock news! The 31 October arrives, my Ipaq doesn't. Instead my order date now shows ETA 01/11/07. I wonder what it will show tomorrow...
And does anybody at HP know anything? Silly question, of course they don't.
Such irony, the "enterprise" handheld is aimed at busy executive types who need it to help manage all their business critical project timetables and information flows, to deliver product on time. I guess the guys at HP are still using sticky notes and smoke signals to manage their projects.

[iant54]

Until yesterday, the UK webstore INKINO had the iPAQ 214 as expected 31st October - now it's showing as 14th November.

http://www.inkino.co.uk/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&amp;products_id=1971&amp;currency=GBP

[iant54]

Also, the HP UK website now no longer has an "Add to Basket" button, and instead shows "Unavailable direct from HP".

http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/uk/en/sm/WF05a/21675-21679-21679-21679-297609-80594387.html

[iant54]

My eXpansys Order Tracking page has changed today with the Status in the "Remaining to be shipped" portion changing from "Pre-order" to "Estimated 3 days".

The main page hasn't changed from showing Pre-order with the price at £249.95, though.

[imgr8fl]

upon reading this thread, i thought hey maybe this is what i've been looking for. The screen on my iPAQ 4700 is toast, $219 for me to fix it, so the research has begun. I go to HP to confirm the HP iPAQ 200 Enterprise Handheld's availability, and it looks like they have nothing that compares to either the 200 nor the 4700, what gives?

i've been thinking maybe converge my pocket devices but boy i mis my 4700 and the screen has truly spoiled me, there is nothing out there.

what is yall sage advise? blackberry, ugh? Verison XV6800 seem a nice middle ground but boy i know ill miss the nice 4700 screen. The Verizon guy demonstrated the blackberry durability by chucking it at the ground, balzy.

if iPaq 200 not available, is there a reson it apparently was in September 2007, but not now, is there something on the cusp? if not should i just fix the 4700? Please Help.

Gratefully Yours
jim[/code]

[imgr8fl]

"I go to HP to confirm the HP iPAQ 200 Enterprise Handheld's availability, and it looks like they have nothing that compares to either the 200 nor the 4700, what gives?"

ok jim read on - having read on discovered Feb '08 any insight welcome.

Gratefully Yours
jim[/code][/quote]

[ricoks]

You could look at the HTC Advantage for a converged(sp?) device. It has a 5" VGA screen and will work as a phone as well (albeit a large one)

Ricoks

[walkonfire]

Hell, I'm new here, and I I hope I'm in the correct forum. If not please redirect me.

I am getting ready to pull the $300 trigger on a new iPAQ 110. It seems to have most of the stuff I want:

- WiFi - 802.11g
- Bluetooth 2
- Very fast processor
- Lots of memory 64/256
- Latest Windows Mobile
- Compact form factor

I started to get a phone/pda, but all the reviews of the SPRINT units (I have 1-1/2 year to go on contract) are excruciating to read... phone locks up, crummy battery life, poor tech support, multiple send-backs for service. Sooo, I'll just keep my tiny, VERY reliable, FREE, bluetooth-capable cell phone (Samsung SPH-A640) and if i need net access on the road, I can bluetooth via the phone to get a short email download, or pull up to a McDonalds or Starbucks, grab a snack, and keep on truckin.

Interesting discovery from HP... when accessing their website, the link to the specs on the iPAQ 110 gives the following info:

HP iPAQ 110 Classic Handheld FA980AA#ABA

"Enjoy the journey as much as the destination. Whether you’re on the road for business or pleasure, this advanced, high-definition 3D navigation system provides a wonderfully immersive experience to help you find your way. View your route comfortably on the spectacular, high-definition touch screen display. Let your iPAQ Travel Companion guide you to family, friends, and business associates using your Outlook contacts. Before you go, tailor your travel experience with HP online trip planning services and download it to your iPAQ 310 for a more productive trip.While you travel, use your iPAQ 310 as a hands-free answering system for your Bluetooth-enabled phone. Then when you arrive, enjoy your digital media library, business multimedia content, or even a challenging video game, on this premium high-definition entertainment system."

Now I'm confused: Does this thing ALSO have GPS???

[walkonfire]

I meant to post the link to the info pasted in above:

http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&amp;ProductLineId=510&amp;FamilyId=2691&amp;BaseID=23580&amp;tafcjnef=fy08,%20fy08&amp;ci_src=15781033&amp;ci_sku=FA980AA#ABA&amp;jumpid=ex_r2910_performics/k2776/DDI%20Link&amp;ps=Shopping.com&amp;ppc=CC[*KeywordID]

Hope this works.