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Phillip Dyson
01-10-2007, 05:00 PM
<img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_HTC_TyTN_Title.jpg" /> <br /><b>Product Category:</b> Windows Mobile 5 Phone Edition Device<br /><b>Manufacturer:</b> <a href="http://www.europe.htc.com/">HTC</a><br /><b>Where to Buy:</b> <a href="http://www.dweiniger.com/">Mad Monkey Boy's Gadgets</a><br /><b>Price:</b> $689.00 USD<br /><b>System Requirements:</b> ActiveSync 4.x, Exchange Server Account Recommended for MSFT features.<br /><b>Specifications:</b> Dimensions: 112.5 mm (L) X 58 mm (W) X 21.95 mm (T). Weight: 176g with battery. Processor: 400mhz Samsung Stacked CPU. Wireless: UMTS 850/1900/2100, GSM/GPRS/EDGE Quad-band, WiFi IEEE 802.11 b/g, Bluetooth Compliant with v2.0 without EDR. Battery: 1350 mAh. Expansion: Micro-SD memory card<br /><br /><b>Pros:</b><br /><li>GPRS/EDGE/UMTS;<li>Slide-out Keyboard;<li>WiFi b/g.<br /><b>Cons:</b><br /><li>Micro-SD<br /><b>Summary:</b><br />The TyTN came on the scene with much fanfare and much anticipation, mainly due to the inclusion of every GSM frequency and every UMTS frequency known to man. Does the the TyTN turn out to be the fine device so many had hoped for? Or does it amount to an anti-climatic experience. Read on to find out...<br /><br />Read on for the full review!<!><br /><PAGEBREAK><br /><span><b>Introduction</b></span><br />Introducing the TyTN...<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_LookingUp.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 1: The TyTN looking below.</i><br /><br />In a world where the people suffer under the oppression of tri-band radios, 200 mhz processors, 32mb of ram, Bluetooth 1.x, and lack of WiFi... a hero has arisen; standing high above searching for any Pocket PC user in need; listening for the outcries from low memory tyranny. The champion is here. A warrior to free us all of the burden of choosing which wireless technology is most important. WiFi? Or Bluetooth? Face the dilemma no more. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_BowingDown.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 2: Other Pocket PCs bowing down.</i><br /><br />A hero so great, loved by those who came before. It's not worship, just undying adoration. The great one has arrived. The Hero... Our hero! The one to deliver us.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_InHand.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 3: The TyTN in my hand.</i><br /><br />Let us welcome the Mighty TyTN!<br /><br />...okay, enough of the drama. Onto the review.<br /><br /><span><b>What’s In the Box</b></span><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_WhatsInTheBox.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 4: The box contents.</i><br /><br />The HTC TyTN ships with the phone (of course), a Mini-USB headset, AC Adapter, USB Sync cable, and leather pouch. Conspicuously missing from the box is a cradle of any kind, which, according to HTC's website, they'll be willing to sell you at an additional cost sometime this December.<br /><PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>Up Close - The Hardware</b></span><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Front.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 5: The Front.</i><br /><br />Along the top:<br /><li><b>Messaging Button</b><br /><li><b>Internet Explorer Button</b><br /><li><b>Wireless LED</b> Blinks blue when bluetooth is active and green for WiFi.<br /><li><b>Radio LED</b> Blinks green and amber for GSM/UMTS standby, waiting messages, and battery charging.<br /><br />Along the bottom:<br /><li><b>Video Call Button;</b><br /><li><b>Green Talk Button;</b><br /><li><b>Two Dedicated Softkey Buttons;</b><br /><li><b>Dedicated Start Menu Button;</b><br /><li><b>Dedicated OK Button;</b><br /><li><b>Red End Button.</b><br /><br />Unfortunately only the Talk and End buttons light up in the dark. There have been many times when I thought that I was pressing the soft key buttons in the dark only to end up hittng the OK button instead. This, of course, causing the application to disappear from view.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Back.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 6: The Back.</i><br /><br />On the back we have the following:<br /><li><b>Car Antennae Connector;</b><br /><li><b>Self Portrait Mirror;</b><br /><li><b>Main Camera;</b><br /><li><b>Flash Light.</b><br /> <br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_SideBySide.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 7: Toshiba e830, Ipaq 2215, TyTN, ETEN m500, 3125.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Stacked.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 8: 3125, ETEN m500, TyTN, Ipaq 2215, Toshiba e830.</i><br /><br />The TyTN turns out to have almost an identical feel as the ETEN m500, which is not so bad when you consider that the TyTN packs in a sliding QWERT keyboard. When pulling the TyTN out of its box I was afraid that it was going to end up being too thick, but after using this phone for some time it turned out to be just the right size for my large hands.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Top.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 9: Top View.</i><br /><br />The top is completely smooth and featureless.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_LeftSide.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 10: Left Side.</i><br /><br />From Left to Right:<br /><li><b>Jog Wheel:</b> The wheel spins 360 degrees. It can be pressed in to perform the select action.<br /><li><b>OK Button.</b><br /><li><b>Voice Command Button:</b> Pressing the button activates the built-in voice speed dial application. Holding the button allows you to record voice notes.<br /><li><b>Micro SD Slot:</b> The slot is slightly recessed to prevent accidentally ejecting the memory card. As long as I've been using the phone, I've never had the card pop out on me. On the downside, it seems like everytime we get a new device we're forced to start at the bottom of the storage capacity ladder. While SD cards are peaking at 4GB, and MiniSD at 2GB, here we are with the MicroSD format beginning to rise above 1GB capacities. Here's hoping that our little friend catches up fast with its bigger brothers.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_RightSide.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 11: Right Side.</i><br /><br />From Right to Left:<br /><li><b>Power Button;</b><br /><li><b>Comm Manager;</b><br /><li><b>Camera Button;</b><br /><li><b>Stylus.</b><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Bottom.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 12: Bottom View.</i><br /><br />From Left to Right, Top to Bottom:<br /><li><b>Infrared Port:</b> While most vendors seem to be leaving out infrared, HTC still found room to include it.<br /><li><b>Reset Button;</b><br /><li><b>Microphone;</b><br /><li><b>Battery Cover Release;</b><br /><li><b>Sync Connector/Headphone Jack:</b> That’s right, this phone doesn't come with the standard 3.5mm head phone jack. HTC's trend seems to be in these Mini-USB jacks. It'll be a boon in new accessory sales for someone. The worst part about these is the fact that they're always on the bottom of the device.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_KeyboardOpen.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 13: The Keyboard.</i><br /><br />The first thing that jumped out at me when I opened the keyboard was how fast it switched to landscape mode. There was almost no delay before I could start to use it.<br /><br />The full QWERTY keyboard was comfortable to use when typing quick emails or text messages. Even short paragraphs were fine. I have to admit that there were times when a dedicated thumb board would have been nice for even "quicker" text messages, but when I think about losing the larger rectangular screen, I come back to my senses.<br /><br />I would have preferred a dedicated number row rather than having to select the blue function key (left-most button on the bottom row) for each number or punctuation symbol. It gets tedious when having to type several numbers in succession. Like a phone number. And finally the keys click just entirely too loud for my taste.<br /> <PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>What’s On Board</b></span><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Today.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 14: Today Screen.</i><br /><br />The TyTN comes with all of the standard Windows Mobile plugins. You access the battery information and the Comm Manager directly from the Today screen.<br /><br /><b>Comm Manager</b><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_CommManager.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 15: The Comm Manager.</i><br /><br />The Comm Manager brings together all of the TyTN's Communication technologies under one view, with the exception of the Infrared.<br /><br />From Left to Right, Top to Bottom:<br /><li><b>Phone;</b><br /><li><b>Bluetooth;</b><br /><li><b>WiFi;</b><br /><li><b>Microsoft DirectPush Email;</b><br /><li><b>Data Connection;</b><br /><li><b>Ringer;</b><br /><li><b>ActiveSync.</b><br /><br />Using the Comm Manager makes activating WiFi easy. I have two wireless networks in my home. One being B and the other G. All I have to do is turn on the radio, and in a few seconds I'm connected. Compared to the hoops that I had to jump through with other devices (most notably pre-WM5 devices), the TyTN made it simple.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_NetworkList.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 16: Network List.</i><br /><br />Here you can view available networks and add preferred profiles.<br /> <br /><b>Voice Speed Dial</b><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_VoiceSpeedDial.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 17: Voice Speed Dialer.</i><br /><br />HTC has bundled a Voice Speed Dial application that allows you to open applications and contacts using your voice. The downside is that you have to record voice tags for anything you want the application to recognize. The upside is in the tests that I've done, it's pretty accurate. But then it only has to match my voice with my voice. I personally prefer MS Voice Command, but that’s an additional $40.<br /><br /><b>Zip Application</b><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_ZipApplication.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 18: Zip Application.</i><br /><br />You would expect a pretty basic application here, but there are quite a few options that should satisfy most people looking for an archiving application.<br /><br />The Zip application allows you to send any archive via email or infrared. No bluetooth option though. One of the options allows you to choose the compression level on a scale of 1 to 9.<br /><br />I would have liked to see integration with Windows Explorer. And softkey support would have been nice too. But hey, it’s free.<br /><br /><b>ClearVue PDF</b><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_ClearVuePDF.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 19: ClearVue PDF.</i><br /><br />ClearVue allows you to view PDF files on your Pocket PC. I was surprised that this application also lacked Softkey support. HTC bundled version 2.42.434. Perhaps the later versions have added it. <br /><PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>As a Phone</b></span><br />Using the TyTN as a phone had its ups and downs. The downs are probably the same gripes that I would have with any Pocket PC Phone Edition. Receiving calls was fine. The phone rings, hit the green answer button. Done. Dialing out caused another one of those moments of temporary insanity when I wished for a dedicated hardware keypad. But all the other benefits of the device outweighed the desire and it passed.<br /><br />Besides there are third party applications, like Contact Breeze, that make it easier. <br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_Dialer.jpg" /> <br /><i>Figure 20: The Phone Dialer.</i><br /><br />The Standard onscreen dialer. Bigger buttons would have made it better to use for me. But that perspective is probably dependant on the size of your fingers.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_SmartDialer.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 21: The Smart Dialer.</i><br /><br />HTC's Smart Dialer is a great application for finding the number you want. When you start typing on the keypad, it searches for both numbers and contact names.<br /><br /><span><b>3G Data</b></span><br />The TyTN has been called "future-proof" due to the fact that it supports just about every GSM and UMTS spectrum there is. I don't know about that, but I don't know of another phone that deserves the title of World Phone more than this one.<br /><br />When I first got the TyTN, a few months ago, the UMTS coverage was spotty at best. Cingular is still in the process of rolling out the network. In fact I've yet to see any official announcements or commercials for their 3G access.<br /><br />Now I get pretty good access where I work in Chevy Chase, MD.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/Dyson_TyTN_UMTS.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 22: UMTS Meter.</i><br /><br />According to Izaino, I've been able to get upwards of 320 kbps. The difference between UMTS and GSM is definitely noticeable. Especially when browsing or synchronizing my IMAP email accounts.<br /><br />The specs say that it also supports EDGE, though I've never seen the E in my menu bar. Either G, or U. I guess I'll have to take their word for it. <br /><br /><span><b>Conclusions </b></span><br />I have had the opportunity to use the TyTN as my daily workhorse for a couple of months now and it is a great device. I don't have any serious complaints or regrets about purchasing it. Between the large screen and slide out keyboard, it has been able to keep me organized during my crazy workdays. And I've put it through the paces. You have noticed a few scratches on the case. It’s had a few drops but I've never had any problems with it.<br /><br />HTC has bundled several value added applications with the TyTN to make the device more productive. Including a PDF viewer and Zip archive application.<br /><br />With all of the wireless technologies packed in to the TyTN, you'll be hard pressed to find an excuse to not be connected. Unless you just don't want to be. The only thing that would make this device perfect would be included GPS.<br /><br />If you're a fan of slide out keyboards, and you're looking or a 3G device then they TyTN is definitely the one for you.<br /><br /><i>Phillip is a full-time software team leader by day. And a electronics addict by night. Okay he's an addict all day long. He enjoys reading about new toys and staring at the Xbox 360 in Best Buy.</i><b>[/b][b]</b>

Raithlin
01-10-2007, 08:47 PM
Good review, Phillip. Just 2 things though:

Pressing the function key twice locks it in symbol mode, enabling you to use the numbers as a keypad. Pressing the function key twice again unlocks it.

Getting Windows Mobile to show an E when using EDGE is as simple as a registry change. :roll:

Other than that, great stuff. I can't wait to get mine. :mrgreen:

DarkHelmet
01-10-2007, 10:26 PM
Nope - dead on arrival - when are you people gonna realize that MS mothership has moved on? UMPC, Tablets, Vista, etc.

Strikes me funny to read that people think that a simple registry hack to fix something that shouldn't be broken in the first place is OK.

JesterMania
01-11-2007, 01:09 AM
A great review and this is truly an awesome device. I especially applaud HTC for their quad-band GSM/tri-band UMTS devices and I hope they keep it up. It fits my every needs and I can't wait to get mine. I'm just waiting for the price to drop a little more... :mrgreen:

Nurhisham Hussein
01-11-2007, 01:28 AM
Nope - dead on arrival - when are you people gonna realize that MS mothership has moved on? UMPC, Tablets, Vista, etc.

DarkHelmet, you've posted inflammatory comments in two threads now - tone it down, please. There're politer ways of getting your points across without having it construed as a personal attack.

jalex
01-11-2007, 02:30 AM
Having enjoyed my TyTN for a whole week now, I can definitely say it's the best Pocket PC Phone I've used (that list including the E-TEN M500, an i-mate JAMin and a Treo 650).

The question surrounding EDGE is one that I also had, but I have the following theory: if those Cingular towers that support UMTS only support UMTS because they've been upgraded and that upgrade actually boosts the tower from being just a straight GPRS tower to a GPRS+EDGE+UMTS tower then, if I have a UMTS-capable device (which I do now), I will never see an E icon ever again -- if the tower can do EDGE, it can also do UMTS, and my device will always choose the latter over the former when available. Sound plausible?

Also, I have done some throughput testing (although I would definitely not call it scientific, by any stroke of the imagination) by using my TyTN as a modem for my laptop. Tethering via Bluetooth yielded up to 400Kbps, while tethering via USB yielded up to 500KBps. I'm guessing the Bluetooth speed is limited by the Bluetooth connection itself (with non-EDR 2.0 BT only supporting 708Kbps, right? and then halve it for real-life throughput). All-in-all, very satisfactory!

Raithlin
01-11-2007, 06:38 AM
Strikes me funny to read that people think that a simple registry hack to fix something that shouldn't be broken in the first place is OK. I agree. A registry hack should not be required; however, it is. Besides, there are applications freely available that do it for you.

Windows Mobile, as with other versions of Windows, can be streamlined to get the best out of it.

Funny how the same is pushed as a strength in Linux, for example, but as "broken" in Windows. :devilboy:

aquanaut
01-11-2007, 08:11 AM
I've had my TyTN (batch 624) for almost 6-months now -- and still think it's the best device suited for my needs, both personal and business.

Pros: by far the most complete converged device marketed yet...
Cons: lack of standard headphone jack (useful during flights)

Recommended accessories for the TyTN:

HBH-DS970 bluetooth stereo headphones;
1Gb microSD card
Desktop Stand/Charger (one for home, one for office)
Retracting USB connector (for USB charging from notebook)
GR-230 bluetooth gps mouse
screen protector

Software Essentials:
PocketBreeze on the desktop
Wisbar Lite (task manager)
PocketPlayer (media player)
Efficasoft's GPRS Traffic Monitor
FlexWallet
PocketInformant
Resco Explorer
Resco PhotoViewer
CityTime

There's a tweak available to unhide 9.6mb of extra ROM space that can be unlocked and used for program or data storage -- will even be there after a hard reset.

Optional:
Mobem's CE-Star (Standard) for Chinese input and display
PocketWeather
Papago (Taiwan Navigation Software)
MapKing (China Navigation Software)
Mapopolis (compared to Papago, very spartan but useful in U.S.)
Voicedialer or Voice Commander...

Lot's of good tips and upgrade tricks over on xda-developer's site.

Cheers from Taipei
dopod cht 9000 wm5 5.1.195 (build 14955.2.3.0)
ROM 1.35.255.2 HTC 11/14/06 Radio 1.18.00.10

jalex
01-11-2007, 01:55 PM
1. Registry hack for the EDGE icon: where did y'all find out about this? Is it really the case that you don't get an E icon because it's actually deactivated in some way? Does that mean you still get EDGE but you only get a G (or U) icon?

2. Extra ~9MB storage/program space: where do I find out about THIS hack? That's something I'd definitely be interested in doing. Also, I see you're on the latest ROM -- did you upgrade your own ROM? How does the upgrade compare for you? I've visited the XDA developers site (but only started doing so recently, since I got my TyTN), can you point to the specific threads concerned?

Thanks!

mv
01-11-2007, 02:22 PM
Cool... i hope the price will come down sometime... :roll:

Raithlin
01-11-2007, 02:37 PM
1. Registry hack for the EDGE icon: where did y'all find out about this? xda-developers (http://www.xda-developers.com/) - I have a K-JAM (HTC Wizard) and this was exactly the same. Not even the network or supplier could tell me what was going on. Try searching for "EDGE icon".Is it really the case that you don't get an E icon because it's actually deactivated in some way? Does that mean you still get EDGE but you only get a G (or U) icon? I wouldn't say deactivated. Let's go with "not activated". :lol: And yes, the hardware still works regardless.

Underwater Mike
01-11-2007, 02:42 PM
My two biggest gripes with the 8125/Wizard are the data speed and the slow processor. I know that UMTS will cure the first, but is this device noticeably faster than the Wizard? I can't upgrade my phone at a discount yet, so I don't want to pay full price if I'm not getting much more performance.

dma1965
01-11-2007, 04:26 PM
Nope - dead on arrival - when are you people gonna realize that MS mothership has moved on? UMPC, Tablets, Vista, etc.

DarkHelmet, you've posted inflammatory comments in two threads now - tone it down, please. There're politer ways of getting your points across without having it construed as a personal attack.

I appreciate people like DarkHelmet acting as the voice of dissent. I do not find this inflammatory. Inflammatory is people gathered in the town streets after Friday prayers chanting "death to America". After seeing the iPhone (or whatever it ends up being called) at MacWorld yesterday, I too feel Microsoft is WAY off the mark.

DaleReeck
01-12-2007, 03:00 AM
I have the Cingular version of this, the 8525. The best thing about it IMO is the reception. I work in an almost bomb shelter-type building, lots of concrete and steel. I could never get a GSM signal from Cingular, T-Mobile, nobody. Only the best CDMA phones from VZW and Sprint would get a single bar of signal. But the 8525 gets two bars, sometimes even three. And it appear to be accurate too (not just an optimistic signal strength meter) because I can get and receive calls and data no problem. In fact, everywhere I go I rarely get less than three bars. Either the phone is amazing or Cingular really improved it's signal in my area over the last year. In any case, not bad for a phone that doesn't even have an external antenna.

Nurhisham Hussein
01-12-2007, 03:11 AM
I appreciate people like DarkHelmet acting as the voice of dissent.

As do I - it's not his opinion I'm taking issue with, it's his approach. There's a difference between the way you put it:

After seeing the iPhone (or whatever it ends up being called) at MacWorld yesterday, I too feel Microsoft is WAY off the mark.

...and the way Darkhelmet put it:

Nope - dead on arrival - when are you people gonna realize that MS mothership has moved on? UMPC, Tablets, Vista, etc.

You've stated your opinion - Darkhelmet is basically denigrating everybody who is interested in this device. A free exchange of opinions is what this forum is for - but keep it civil.

Phoenix
01-12-2007, 02:32 PM
A good place to buy this phone is from Smart Mobile Gadgets. (http://www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com/)

Tierran
01-12-2007, 08:41 PM
I've loved this phone since the day I first saw it. I have an HTC Wizard (Through T-Mo) and its definately an awesome phone itself. And this is the same thing but better. Price is too high for me but I'd pay $300 with a renewal plan for it.

I got my Wizard over the summer...I'll be waiting for the next full OS from MS before getting a new phone I think. Gives me till 2008 with this one.

Mona13
01-13-2007, 02:14 PM
I just got the 8525 after having an 8125. I think I'm really going to like it. It's much faster. I also like the number key layout better on the keyboard.

Mona13

Underwater Mike
01-15-2007, 05:25 PM
I just got the 8525 after having an 8125. I think I'm really going to like it. It's much faster. I also like the number key layout better on the keyboard.

Mona13

I just found out that my upgrade eligibility with Cingular is not until NOV. That's 18 months on a 2-yr contract. :roll: I may try to get an HTC-branded unit just to keep Cingular from getting any more of my money!

Phillip Dyson
01-16-2007, 01:20 AM
Good review, Phillip. Just 2 things though:

Pressing the function key twice locks it in symbol mode, enabling you to use the numbers as a keypad. Pressing the function key twice again unlocks it.

Getting Windows Mobile to show an E when using EDGE is as simple as a registry change. :roll:

Other than that, great stuff. I can't wait to get mine. :mrgreen:

thanks for the info Raithlin... I'm not that in love with the E to do a registry setting. It just made me wonder about whether I was picking it up or not.

The theory about UMTS and Edge being on the same towers is plausible.


Recommended accessories for the TyTN:

1Gb microSD card
Desktop Stand/Charger (one for home, one for office)
{-snip-}
screen protector

Software Essentials:
PocketBreeze on the desktop
PocketInformant
Resco Explorer
{-snip-}

There's a tweak available to unhide 9.6mb of extra ROM space that can be unlocked and used for program or data storage -- will even be there after a hard reset.

Optional:
{-snip-}
Mapopolis (compared to Papago, very spartan but useful in U.S.)
Voicedialer or Voice Commander...


thanks for the suggestions aquanaut...
I concur and have some variant of the ones listed above. I opted awhile ago to run without a task manager as too many plugins destabilized my device to point of making it unusable. My plugins consist of PocketBreeeze and PhoneAlarm.

Phillip Dyson
02-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Does anyone know where the Windows Mobile GPS applet is? I can't find it anywhere and it would appear that I need it to get Google Maps tracking to work.

EDIT: I found my answer here.
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=53715&amp;postdays=0&amp;postorder=asc&amp;start=10