Java and Pocket Internet Explorer

[Chris Davis]

I have an Axim X30. There is one web page that I need to view that uses a 15K .class Java applet. For this web page I need a Java plug in for Pocket Internet Explorer (PIE).

I tried the demo version of CrEme and it worked well. I have attempted to purchase CrEme and cannot find anyone who sells it and the manufacturer will not sell single licenses. Anyone want to send me a non-demo copy?

Now that the CrEme 30 day demo has expired I have tried IBM’s J9. It installs OK and runs it’s own demo program just fine. It does not work inside PIE. It acts like CrEme did before I registered CrEme in PIE. Does anyone know how to register J9 in PIE for running web based applets?

I am open to other suggestions, but would rather not install a whole different browser just for this purpose. Anyone have any ideas that might help me?

[Edgar_]

I'm surprised NSI.COm isn't responsive to your need. Beyond trying out Netfront or Opera, the other java engines aren't as complete as CrEme. I went to NetFront because I wanted all the other functionality of Flash, VGA (v3.3), screen fit, etc

I understand not wanting to install another browser but with these you get the functionality of 3-5 plugins on an inferior browser vs fully integrated and pretty fast.
So the trade off is installing one app vs installing plugin apps. No reall difference and these both will run from memory card.
Here's our own Menneisyys with a good Blog on midlets and java on PPC

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&cat=85

[Chris Davis]

I just downloaded Mysaifu and installed it. I have the same problem as with J9. PIE does not know how to execute a .class file from a web page. Is there a way to register this in PIE?

[Edgar_]

Hit Menneisyys' profile and either email or PM him, he's pretty responsive.

[Menneisyys]

I just downloaded Mysaifu and installed it. I have the same problem as with J9. PIE does not know how to execute a .class file from a web page. Is there a way to register this in PIE?

Nope. Impossible as ofnow. However, the author is open to implementing PIE plugin functionality if he receives help on the PIE plug-in architecture. Mail him if you can help him.

[Chris Davis]

Can you tell me what different Java suppliers have a PIE plugin? I know CrEme has it and it works. However I can not find where I can get CrEme. Do any others have it?

[Menneisyys]

I'm surprised NSI.COm isn't responsive to your need. Beyond trying out Netfront or Opera, the other java engines aren't as complete as CrEme. I went to NetFront because I wanted all the other functionality of Flash, VGA (v3.3), screen fit, etc

I understand not wanting to install another browser but with these you get the functionality of 3-5 plugins on an inferior browser vs fully integrated and pretty fast.
So the trade off is installing one app vs installing plugin apps. No reall difference and these both will run from memory card.
Here's our own Menneisyys with a good Blog on midlets and java on PPC

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&cat=85

Unfortunately, Opera isn't Java-compliant. NetFront is, but its Java-compliance isn't the best.

As far as CrEme is concerned, drop them a mail and ask them to release a decently priced version for single users. If there'll be a lot of people requesting it, they may change their mind.

Another solution is looking around on your old iPAQ CD's, if you happen to have had an iPAQ - you may still have a Jeode. With not the latest (1.9.*) versions, they weren't locked to the particullar brand/device model.

[Chris Davis]

I never had an Ipaq. I don't have any friends with one either. How about anyone else out there? Got an old CD laying around you don't need any more?

I did e-mail and phoned NSI but was told that they would not sell me a single copy and that they had no idea where I could purchase it. They weren't very helpful.

Is CrEme the only one that has a PIE plug in?

[Edgar_]

Here's yet another page discussing the different JVM's you *might* be able to use. Looks like it may be an older page but at least a place to start to check with these companies for individual and available titles.

http://www.comp.lancs.ac.uk/~fittond/ppcjava.html

EDIT: That is indeed a moldy page - a 2003 thread about it is here:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=899 with some updated sites to look at

[Menneisyys]

I never had an Ipaq. I don't have any friends with one either. How about anyone else out there? Got an old CD laying around you don't need any more?

I did e-mail and phoned NSI but was told that they would not sell me a single copy and that they had no idea where I could purchase it. They weren't very helpful.

Is CrEme the only one that has a PIE plug in?

Jeode is the other; this is why I've recommended it. Unfortunately, it's no longer available.

However, eBay may be the rescue - you could find an old iPAQ companion CD for not much money there. Buy buying that, you will also have the rights for running Jeode on your (non-iPAQ) PPC, I think.

As far as CrEme is concerned, I really don't understand why they're refusing offering CrEme for individual users.

[Edgar_]

Is IBM J9 a viable alternative?

Handango has it for $6

http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=140997&programId=458&affiliateId=1218

http://awareness.ics.uci.edu/~rsilvafi/pocketPC/index.htm

lTrial and evals and new beta ver:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/wireless/weme/

[Menneisyys]

Is IBM J9 a viable alternative?

Handango has it for $6

http://www.handango.com/PlatformProductDetail.jsp?productType=2&optionId=1_2_2&platformId=2&siteId=1&productId=140997&programId=458&affiliateId=1218

http://awareness.ics.uci.edu/~rsilvafi/pocketPC/index.htm

lTrial and evals and new beta ver:

http://www-306.ibm.com/software/wireless/weme/

Nope, it has no PIE plug-in. Also see my Java-related articles (in my blog, for example), particularly the one here at PPCT: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41081

[Edgar_]

Bummer, we'll. I'm spent out - .net is really the only real way to develop for PPC/SP.

Its crazy that a OS/virtual machine that is supposed to be readily available across platforms and is marketed as such, is not readily available on the PocketPC/Smartphone platform.

Having to load an old Jeode, pay exhorbitant prices or use a half baked implememtation is unacceptable.

[Menneisyys]

Bummer, we'll. I'm spent out - .net is really the only real way to develop for PPC/SP.

Its crazy that a OS/virtual machine that is supposed to be readily available across platforms and is marketed as such, is not readily available on the PocketPC/Smartphone platform.

Yup, Sun/JavaSoft has made a BIG mistake by not paying attention to the platform at all.

BTW, if you plan to run applets only, and the $50/year price and the weaknesses of the graphical representation isn't a problem, you can also give a try to Thunderhawk - it has a capable server-side JVM.

[Chris Davis]

Can anyone tell what iPAQ models might have come with Jeode? I am going to buy an original CD from E-bay, but the Jeode is all I really need. I want to be sure that what I buy has it.

[Menneisyys]

Can anyone tell what iPAQ models might have come with Jeode? I am going to buy an original CD from E-bay, but the Jeode is all I really need. I want to be sure that what I buy has it.

38xx, 39xx, 5450, 5550 - those are the models I'm pretty sure about.

Unfortunately, some? all? Jeode versions are locked to either the iPAQ brand or the particular iPAQ model. 1.9.3 is locked to the 5550.

BTW, every thought of giving a try to CrEme or, if you don't need applets, IBM J9 or MySaifu? Old(er) Jeode versions were pretty slow (1.7.3 is much slower than 1.9.3).

[Chris Davis]

CrEme is far and away my first choice. When I contacted them they would not sell me a single license. Their minimum quantity was 1000. They also will not tell me where I can purchase it. The IBM J9 has no plug in for Internet Explorer like CrEme does and will not work for my Java web pages. Got any idea where I can buy or borrow CrEme? The demo version self destructs after 30 days.

[Menneisyys]

CrEme is far and away my first choice. When I contacted them they would not sell me a single license. Their minimum quantity was 1000. They also will not tell me where I can purchase it. The IBM J9 has no plug in for Internet Explorer like CrEme does and will not work for my Java web pages. Got any idea where I can buy or borrow CrEme? The demo version self destructs after 30 days.

You could ask the CrEme developers to reconsider their point of view, as far as selling copies to individual users is concerned. When there're a lot of user requests, I'm pretty sure they will change their mind.