Viewable Screen Area of the Pocket LOOX T810/T830

[Darius Wey]

<img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060221-T800a.jpg" /><br /><span><i>Image from <a href="http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/News/2006/02/Fujitsu%2DSiemens%2DPocket%2DLoox%2DT8/">Pocket PC Italia</a>.</i></span><br /><br />I don't know about you, but I find that empty space surrounding the screen's viewable area a little larger than normal - especially for a mobile device. A prototype defect or the real deal? :? <!><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060221-T800b.jpg" /><br /><span><i>Image from <a href="http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2901#article">the::unwired</a>.</i></span><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20060221-T800c.jpg" /><br /><span><i>Image from <a href="http://www.gpspassion.com/fr/articles.asp?id=115">GpsPasSion</a>.</i></span>

[Janak Parekh]

As I told Darius before, I'm not impressed. A 240x240 device should not be this long, and the border, if real, suggests that the engineering could have been better.

--janak

[msafi]

i'm almost sure that the final version of the T830 is not gonna have these huge borders. i mean, this is fujitsu-siemens, and they have a history of being great PocketPC makers. also, here's a picture of the device without the borders:
http://www.infosyncworld.net/resources/products/fujitsu_siemens/fujitsu_siemens_pocket_loox_t830_p00.jpg

just because there was one prototype unit at 3GSM that had those ugly borders, doesn't mean the final version, which will be released 5 months from now, will have the same issue.

also, notice how smaller the actual size of the T830's display is, compared to the hp 6900 even though both devices have the same number of pixels. that only means that you are gonna get crispier looking images on the T830.

all in all, i'm looking forward to this device, so thanks for posting about it!!

[Darius Wey]

also, here's a picture of the device without the borders

I believe that's also a rendering, so it's not really the best of all guides.

just because there was one prototype unit at 3GSM that had those ugly borders, doesn't mean the final version, which will be released 5 months from now, will have the same issue.

Right. Only time will tell - hence why I queried whether it was a prototype defect or the real deal. I guess we'll find out soon enough. ;)

[Menneisyys]

According to FirstLoox (the central Fujitsu Siemens fans' site) moderator mr_Ray (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=388974), the final models (to be released in July) will have a screen with a much bigger real screen estate. This is, according to him, is just a prototype problem.

[MitchellO]

Thats good, because if the screen is like that on the final model, it just simply looks crap.

Personally I think the device looks crap anyway. Its just too big considering that it has a square screen.

[Menneisyys]

Thats good, because if the screen is like that on the final model, it just simply looks crap.

Personally I think the device looks crap anyway. Its just too big considering that it has a square screen.


Yup. It has excellent capabilities (no other phone supports EDGE and UMTS at the same time, for example), but its size is just on the verge of not being acceptable.

[mr_Ray]

According to FirstLoox (the central Fujitsu Siemens fans' site) moderator mr_Ray (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=388974), the final models (to be released in July) will have a screen with a much bigger real screen estate. This is, according to him, is just a prototype problem.
Well I don't have first hand knowledge, but was going by a report on SoloPalmari. Besides, common sense says that they just can't release it like that and be taken seriously. I really doubt they'd make such a glaring error.

Personally while the T8xx/Treo form factor does little for me (I prefer my Wizard), specs-wise it is far away better than the Treo/HP competition, and while noticably longer, it is also noticably thinner.

[DaleReeck]

[quote=Menneisyys]Besides, common sense says that they just can't release it like that and be taken seriously. I really doubt they'd make such a glaring error.


Don't be too sure. Remember the Treo 600's from Palm? Not only was there huge wasted border space, but the screen was off-centered. The right black border was much larger than the left due to "engineering issues". Never underestimate a company's potential to be stupid ;)

[rbrome]

I checked this out at 3GSM last week. The border issue is real, and from what I was told, final. The thing is freaking HUGE, too! I was really blown away (in a bad way) by the size of this beast.

http://www.richbrome.com/misc/IMG_3240.jpg

[gpspassion]

Hey here is my 6515 ;-)
I spoke at some length with the product manager on the booth at 3GSM and he gave no indication at all that the final version would be any different. If it had been the case and I had been in his shoes I would certainly have mentioned it! One possible explanation is battery life, they put in a pretty big battery in the back 1600mAh I think and using a smaller screen will help. Besides it looks sharper too. Whatever way you look at it, this thing is a "brick' anyway, so the screen borders are a bit of a moot point IMHO.

[DaleReeck]

I guess the issue isn't the size of the screen itself, but the cutout they put it into. Those black borders are way too big and it just looks plain bad. They should have cut the hole to match the size of the screen. Too much gray plastic looks better than those huge black borders IMO.

[Duncan]

If the final production units do have such a large border then that will not be good - a mistake however you cut it.

Re. the size of the T830 however - surely this is a much to do with the specs of the device as anything else? Big battery, well spaced keyboard, built in 3G, dual cameras, GPS etc. - all add up to a relatively big package. However - IMHO longer is better than wider - and the iPAQ 69xx looks very wide. Perhaps FSC are guilty over being over ambitious (maybe a device without GPS or 3G might have been a better idea for the first PE device?).

[MG]

Gimme a "B",
Gimme an "R"
Gimme an "I"
Gimme a "C"
Gimme a "K"

What's that spell?
T830....
Is the Universal smaller? :D
Mark

[shindullin]

Wide brick, versus fat brick, versus long brick. A brick is a brick and this loox is a long brick, black border's or not. I had the plam 600 and it was really thick (fat) and heavy with the aforementioned uneven black border. The fat heaviness helped make it a poor phone, and the tiny screen helped make it a poor pda. This loox looks to be in the Palm 600 tradition. Besides, what's the use of GPS if the screen is so small that you have to squint while driving to see where you're supposed to go? Sounds like you're begging to get into an accident.

[Duncan]

128 x 81 x 25 mm - 285g - Universal
126 x 64 x 21 mm - 190g - T800
118 x 71 x 21 mm - 165g - iPAQ 69xx
120 x 58 x 23 mm - 180g - Treo 700w (inc. antenna)

So the T800 is nearly as long as the Universal yes, but considerably narrower and thinner. It is as thin as the iPAQ 69xx and thinner than the Treo 700w, it is much narrower than the iPAQ. It may be too big for you - but hardly a brick (especially for what it packs in).

[Jeff Song]

wow, that thing is pretty big. Considering how short and thin the 6515/6900 ipaq is, I don't see the benefits that will out weigh the cost of having such a large device, especially if that screen is as small as it appears to be.