Treo 700w Slated For January Release?

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://brighthand.com/article/Treo_700w_Coming_in_January">http://brighthand.com/article/Treo_700w_Coming_in_January</a><br /><br />Brighthand has received information that Handango is sending information to its developers that the Palm 700w Treo from Verizon will begin shipping in <i>early</i> January 2006.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2005/20051220-wmtreo700w.jpg" /><br /><br />My wife is in the market for a new phone and has Verizon. Right now, I am torn between the Treo 700w and the forthcoming <a href="http://www.motorola.com/mediacenter/news/detail/0,,5804_5772_23,00.html">Motorola Q</a>, which is based on the Smartphone platform.

[pocketpcadmirer]

Uncle Hansberry,well, I dont know about the wife thing(see my signature(pss age !!))

But this is definately a great news :x-mas:

My dad is also looking for a new phone(to replace his nokia 6670). Perhaps this will be the best devise for him coz he want keypad. Actually he is not a 'geek' like me(!), who is taps the screen with small stylus to dial the number..ha ha 8)

Sunny

[alabij]

What about T-Mobile? Any new phone

[Ed Hansberry]

Uncle Hansberry,well, I dont know about the wife thing(see my signature(pss age !!))
18? You forget I live in the south. I know 18 year olds celebrating their 3rd wedding anniversary! 8O :wink: :lol:

[azhiker]

Why is this considered a great product? It has a low rez screen, less processing power, and 64 meg of ram seems small by AXIM X51 standards. Now if this had a vga screen with 128 meg ram with at least the 600 MGHZ processor, it would be a better product. Perhaps there will be a Dell with those specs coming out in 2006? :?

[Ed Hansberry]

What about T-Mobile? Any new phone
Palm has committed to a GSM version that T-Mobile could pick up, but it will be the 2nd half of 2006. I think Palm worked out an exclusive deal with Verizon for the first few months.

[Ed Hansberry]

Why is this considered a great product? It has a low rez screen, less processing power, and 64 meg of ram seems small by AXIM X51 standards. Now if this had a vga screen with 128 meg ram with at least the 600 MGHZ processor, it would be a better product. Perhaps there will be a Dell with those specs coming out in 2006? :?

1) It has a square screen to keep the device from being too long without having to have a slideout keyboard. By not having 480X480 it saves on the screen cost and battery life. Keep in mind the pixel count isn't what makes it low or high res. It is the DPI, and devices like the K-Jam and Treo have small enough screens that the DPI of those at 320X240 or 240X240 looks quite good.
2) 64MB of RAM is fine for many people. This device will be purchased by many people that never install a third party app on, and even those that do, 64MB on my K-Jam works quite well.

This is not meant to be a killer spec device with all the bells and whistles. It is meant to be a good phone/PDA combo product that can, by and large, be used without a stylus, without having to slide out the keyboard and provide a familiar and comfortable experience to those making their first entry into the smart phone market. And this thing will outsell the Dell Axim v5X devices 10 to 1. :D

[azhiker]

Yes Ed, this is a good device and not meant to be a killer, but with limited finances, I won't go for something like this until it has the specs and battery life that I think make the switch worthwhile. That may be awhile, but when you have the Axim X50v, you can wait for a do-all kind of device.

[huangzhinong]

From treonaut.com who already has a treo 700w in review, this device has 32MB RAM and 64MB ROM.

[jngold_me]

What about T-Mobile? Any new phone
Palm has committed to a GSM version that T-Mobile could pick up, but it will be the 2nd half of 2006. I think Palm worked out an exclusive deal with Verizon for the first few months.

Just wondering if by the time Cingular is ready to pick up the 700W whether it will be equipped with the ability to use it's 3G network rather than EDGE.

[apeguero]

I've had the Treo 650 for almost a year now with Cingular. It's been a love-hate relationship thus far, with the loving edging out the hating. I have lost patience with Cingular though over their slow pace with implementing Super EDGE, or UMTS, or 3G, or whatever they want to call it. Although I really wanted to get this Treo 700W and therefore get to use most of my current accessories, I decided to go with the Sprint PPC 6700. I kinda miss having my old PocketPC interface and programs. I figure the 6700 will keep me happy as a PocketPC that can dial out and make calls as well and have built in Wifi and 128mb Ram, etc... Besides, the 6700 is basically the same size as the Treo 650 and 700w. The one deciding factor for me though was Sprint's unlimited Power Vision (EVDO) for $25.00 per month I think it's the lowest price around (for now anyway). Also the fact that Verizon can be so expensive. What do you guys think? Was I foolish on going with Sprint and the PPC 6700? Or should I have waited for this Verizon Treo 700w?

[possmann]

Well this is great speculation - I was thinking that this would be out in March-ish. Very happy to see that someone is on the ball here at VRZn.

Current T-Mo customer - have been for 5 years and I am now seriously thinking of switching over - I would love to combine all of my information together in to one device and drop the cell phone completely. T-mo is so backwards when it comes to releasing anything that appears to be "bleeding edge" - I don't get it though because they have all those cool phones over in Europe already - AND ON THE SAME NETWORK TYPE.

The question I have to ask myself now is - Is this phone worth switching - and chances are that it will be this time next year (at the earliest) that T-mo will have this ready - do I want to wait that long for this on GSM?

[pocketpcadmirer]

Uncle Hansberry,well, I dont know about the wife thing(see my signature(pss age !!))
18? You forget I live in the south. I know 18 year olds celebrating their 3rd wedding anniversary! 8O :wink: :lol:

Hey you are kidding right ?? Are there no laws to prevent children marrige..I mean how come a boy ask for 'his doom' at so early age.. :wink:

Now dont tell me they have babies too :lol:

[huangzhinong]

Now dont tell me they have babies too :lol:

I am also in south. Here a lot of high school girls feed their children out of classroom. Children marriage here is allowed with parents permission.

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[Jason Dunn]

Why is this considered a great product?

It's not so much a great product as a great marketing play - people know the name Treo, just like they know the name Palm, and that's something that Windows Mobile has NEVER had going for it before. And who knows, maybe it will be a great product as well? Remember that Palm is a highly competent device manufacturer (I've always liked their hardware, it's just the OS that I dislike), so there's a good chance this will be a well-executed device.

[MitchellO]

This is not meant to be a killer spec device with all the bells and whistles. It is meant to be a good phone/PDA combo product that can, by and large, be used without a stylus, without having to slide out the keyboard and provide a familiar and comfortable experience to those making their first entry into the smart phone market. And this thing will outsell the Dell Axim v5X devices 10 to 1. :D

Yeah, I don't see why there is the comparison to the Axim X51v. They are completely different devices. The X51v is designed to be a high res, high performance PDA that will sacrifice battery life and size.

The Treo 700w is designed to be a good, decent sized phone that is easy to use and capable of doing those things well. It isn't designed to guzzle batteries or play high res video. If you want those things, the only PPCPE likely to quench your thirst in the HTC Universal.

I agree about the available memory too. On my K-JAM, I have 47mb to use. That is much more than I had on my previous device. My XDA II Mini only had 64Mb RAM, that you split for prog. memory, so only about 32Mb wa usable. Its an improvement, not a great improvement, but definately an improvement.

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[ADBrown]

From treonaut.com who already has a treo 700w in review, this device has 32MB RAM and 64MB ROM.

Actually, those numbers would imply more like 64 MB RAM / 128 MB ROM. For some reason, certain WM5 devices eat an unreasonable amount of memory, both flash and RAM.

Just wondering if by the time Cingular is ready to pick up the 700W whether it will be equipped with the ability to use it's 3G network rather than EDGE.

Well, the VZW version uses EVDO, so UMTS isn't out of the question.

[MitchellO]

I forgot about the square screen. On a device like this, a square screen is the only way to go. a Full length QVGA screen would just be too large. I had an iPAQ 4355, and know what a QVGA screen + a thumboard on the bottom mean, and I can tell you its long :lol:

Yes, 320x320 would be much better. Thats the only thing that I am surprise Palm didn't do. I mean if they did, all 240x320 programs would work with bars on the side if necessary, and apps that took advantage of the extra res would be just that much better (particularly PIE I would think).

480x480 would probably be going to far on a screen this size, but 320x320 wasn't too much to ask.

[lesterm]

Why is this considered a great product? It has a low rez screen, less processing power, and 64 meg of ram seems small by AXIM X51 standards. Now if this had a vga screen with 128 meg ram with at least the 600 MGHZ processor, it would be a better product. Perhaps there will be a Dell with those specs coming out in 2006? :?

I think all those things you'd like (ok - we'd all like!) all use up battery - which is obviously important on a 'phone.

It's all a compromise, not just a case of biggest, fastest everything if the battery lasts 20mins!

[lesterm]

Why is this considered a great product? It has a low rez screen, less processing power, and 64 meg of ram seems small by AXIM X51 standards. Now if this had a vga screen with 128 meg ram with at least the 600 MGHZ processor, it would be a better product. Perhaps there will be a Dell with those specs coming out in 2006? :?

I think all those things you'd like (ok - we'd all like!) all use up battery - which is obviously important on a 'phone.

It's all a compromise, not just a case of biggest, fastest everything if the battery lasts 20mins!

[riverbruce]

What about T-Mobile? Any new phone
Palm has committed to a GSM version that T-Mobile could pick up, but it will be the 2nd half of 2006. I think Palm worked out an exclusive deal with Verizon for the first few months.

I'm a T-Mobile subscriber and they won't have any 3G service till at least the end of 2006. My contract's up and I'm moving on.

[pocketdoc]

We use VZ in our small corporation (physicians) and are currently using older Blackberrys. We have had nothing but technical problems and they are very slow. BBs also have terrible PIM functionality.

Anyway, I have been watching this device as well as the Moto Q. My hands are large and I am worried that the Treo's keys will be too close for typing. I have held a Treo and the keys are tight. The BB keyboard is perfect, so the Q may be better for typing, but I suspect it may not be as well made as the Treo.

We will see...

[DaleReeck]

I still think that the Samsung I730 is a better option. Closed , it has the same size as a Treo and has decent one-handed operation. Plus wifi. True, it has the slideout keyboard which some people don't like, but it gives you a lot more screen area to work in. Being a "true" PPC screen size, you won't have application issues. Why expose a keyboard 100% of the time like in the Treo when you only use it a small percentage of the time? I'd rather have the larger screen available 100% of the time since you use the screen 100% of the time - if you know what I mean :)

Personal choices, true, but from a technical standpoint, I think the I730 is a better PDA/phone combo - a more traditional PPC. Devices like the Treo and the HP 6500 series are interesting, but will have to rely on third party help (adapt apps to work on square screens) to become mainstream.

[msafi]

like Jason Dunn hinted, the treo 700 is an exciting product not because it's the greatest thing ever made, but because of the popularity that it'll bring to Windows Mobile platform. a lot of people from different platforms might switch to WM to try the treo. it will bring more developers and ideas to the WM community. that's good for our pocket-pcs in general.

mitchellO, i think the treo doesn't have a 320x320 because WM5 only supports 240x240 and 480x480. that's what i heard.

[Kamokazi]

Our Palm rep at CompUSA last week said there would be a significant anouncement after Christmas, and 'confirmed' (nodded and grinned since he is under a NDA) it would be about the 700w, and alluded to the fact it would be released soon.

[MitchellO]

mitchellO, i think the treo doesn't have a 320x320 because WM5 only supports 240x240 and 480x480. that's what i heard.


I know it doesn't, thats why I said it would be good if it did have 320x320.

[pocketpcadmirer]

[quote=msafi]mitchellO, i think the treo doesn't have a 320x320 because WM5 only supports 240x240 and 480x480. that's what i heard.

Hey 480*480 would also be nice. At least, ppc phone editions will be able to surpass the Palms with 480*320 screen. And you the BEST part, its square !!

Sunny

[pocketpcadmirer]

I am also in south. Here a lot of high school girls feed their children out of classroom. Children marriage here is allowed with parents permission.

I have died and gone to heaven..its insanity :devilboy:

Sunny

[stevelam]

I am also in south. Here a lot of high school girls feed their children out of classroom. Children marriage here is allowed with parents permission.

I have died and gone to heaven..its insanity :devilboy:

Sunny


Hmm. Sometimes I think it is good that I live in the UK. Not that we don't have our own problems though. I don't believe that Blair gave away £7bn of our EU rebate. And thats not an American billion thats a full-on British billion! I mean thats more than our defense budget. Arghhh you just wait untill I'm Prime Minister, you just wait.


Anyway back to the real world.

Merry Christmas

Steve

[Darth Sideous]

Looks like January 5, 2006 is the release date. Scroll down to VZW Employee's posting in the following thread:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=786913&amp;page=15&amp;pp=15

[whydidnt]

First off, if this is actually released early in January, that's got to be some kind of record in going from announced to actual product. HP could learn a little something from Palm on how to get your products to market. Aren't we still waiting for WM5.0 versions of their phone?

Second if this phone really only has a 64/32 ROM/RAM configuration, that will severely hold back it's adoption and increase it's return rate. All you need to do is read about the issues with that configuration on the HP 1955 to see it's not a viable configuration for WM5.0 - power user or not.

Not only won't you have room to install programs, you also won't have room to run them if you have any amount of PIM information or email, which is what most of the people who buy this device will want to use it for.
We shouldn't be surprised, Palm has forever been tight-fisted with Memory on past Treo's, but they underestimate how memory hungry WM5.0 really is.

[PPCMD]

As I understand the 64MB ROM is the storage space so it must be 96 or 128MB ROM to begin with. 32MB RAM, well hopefully PPCtechs can install a 64MB RAM chip into it.

[snayar]

like Jason Dunn hinted, the treo 700 is an exciting product not because it's the greatest thing ever made, but because of the popularity that it'll bring to Windows Mobile platform. a lot of people from different platforms might switch to WM to try the treo...

Yes, I agree, but that's also part of the problem of creating a device with mediocre specs!

Remember the Motorola MPX Pocket PC phone? That cool looking, transformer-like pda/phone?

What about the first HP pda/phone that had lots of problems?

Well, those two devices alone SCARED THE HELL out of many potential converts and never looked back again at Microsoft powered devices!!! 0X

That's the problem, bad publicity...

Happy holidays! :)

[jngold_me]

As I understand the 64MB ROM is the storage space so it must be 96 or 128MB ROM to begin with. 32MB RAM, well hopefully PPCtechs can install a 64MB RAM chip into it.

Oh no, here we go again. You know what I mean. ;)

[possmann]

In regards to the device actually being able to handle mobile 5.0 - you would think that they would test this first. After all, I would imagine that this has gone through some serious internal tests to determine if it indeed cna handle the basic operating system.

As far as memeory goes - SD card.

I like the smaller form factor and the abilty to use the touch screen so I don't loose my pocketpc function. Seeing that it is 240x240 - well I can live with that. If that means longer battery life - great. I'll be using the bluetooth portion of this a lot so I am going to have to rely on using whatever battery saving features this device has.

I just bought a Dell Axim x50v in October - if this phone can live up to most of my expectation I may just be sending my Axim out on ebay...

We can only hope...

[snayar]

Wow!

480x640 to 240x240 that's one major step backwards! 8O

In regards of the SD WiFi, at least in my experience I grew tired after a year of SD Memory and SD WiFi swaping to the point of card wear and tear and eventually failures! Too much of a hassle to me...

Yes, too low internal memory can be somewhat mitigated with SD memory but again no internal WiFi means missing apps while online! Solution? install online tools into interal storage which in turn slows performance overall because of lack of space which get's even worse thanks to cache... :roll:

[possmann]

yeah it is a major step back - the screen on this Axim rocks - sigh... but the form factor of the treo and the overall versatility of it. Honestly it is the best formed device (PPCPhone) that I have seen to date - the only thing that comes close is the HTC i-jam (and varients).

IMHO... :)

[alese]

Memory configuration aside, what is the difference between this and HP 65xx/67xx apart from Brand name and some today screen plugins?
And I know 65xx runs WM2003SE, but it also has GPS and 2 slots.
Also, why would someone buy this instead of a smartphone that is smaller and has better resolution, touch screen? Maybe.
And last, Treo is really popular and well known only in USA, in Europe it's just an exotic. So I can understand Palms decision to not go with GSM version first.
But when they do come out with the GSM version it better be UMTS capable or it will fail bigtime.

[possmann]

Remember that the operating systems are different on the HP device and the Palm device - so the user interface is also different. The screen on the Treo is also larger than the HP device.

[whydidnt]

In regards to the device actually being able to handle mobile 5.0 - you would think that they would test this first. After all, I would imagine that this has gone through some serious internal tests to determine if it indeed cna handle the basic operating system.

As far as memeory goes - SD card.


Well, you would have thought HP would have tested the 1955 extensively before releasing it, but that didn't change the fact that it regulary hangs due to lack of RAM. In many cases WM5.0 uses as much as 3X the memory of WM2003SE!

An SD card provides ZERO help to the RAM issue with WM5, they are for storage only, and if you're out of RAM, you will either suffer extremely slow performance, or the system will hang.

[Darius Wey]

Memory configuration aside, what is the difference between this and HP 65xx/67xx apart from Brand name and some today screen plugins?
And I know 65xx runs WM2003SE, but it also has GPS and 2 slots.

Many things: form factor, the hw6715 has Wi-Fi, and the hw6715 also has miniSD as opposed to SD.

Also, why would someone buy this instead of a smartphone that is smaller and has better resolution, touch screen? Maybe.

The public's confidence in Palm as a manufacturer will drive sales, regardless of whether another device outperforms in specs. People know the Palm name, and they know the Treo name. Ultimately, it is the Treo 700w which will help increase public awareness of Windows Mobile. Hard-core PDA users might look at other devices, but for the standard Joe User who walks into their telco store looking for a new PDA-phone, it's the Treo that will jump right out at them.

[Stik]

It's not so much a great product as a great marketing play - people know the name Treo, just like they know the name Palm, and that's something that Windows Mobile has NEVER had going for it before.

Almost sad, but, oh my goodness.... so very, very true!

The public's confidence in Palm as a manufacturer will drive sales, regardless of whether another device outperforms in specs. People know the Palm name, and they know the Treo name. Ultimately, it is the Treo 700w which will help increase public awareness of Windows Mobile.

Couldn't agree more!

My understanding is that it ( launch ) will begin at the CES show in Las Vegas. It will be sort of an historical event if my information is correct!

Can you imagine Microsoft inviting Palm to exhibit the Treo 700w under the Microsoft tent in the Microsoft Pavillion???

Holy cow! As the world turns, eh? :jawdrop:

this thing will outsell the Dell Axim v5X devices 10 to 1. :D

If the device works properly, I'll guess at least a 100/1 ratio.

Verizon/Palm/Microsoft marketing and all. :mrgreen:

[ADBrown]

this thing will outsell the Dell Axim v5X devices 10 to 1. :D

If the device works properly, I'll guess at least a 100/1 ratio.

Whatever you two are on, you need to cut the dosage. :lol:

[alese]

Memory configuration aside, what is the difference between this and HP 65xx/67xx apart from Brand name and some today screen plugins?
And I know 65xx runs WM2003SE, but it also has GPS and 2 slots.

Many things: form factor, the hw6715 has Wi-Fi, and the hw6715 also has miniSD as opposed to SD.

Well I held both the 65xx and Treo 650 and Treo is narrower, but also ticker as far as I remember - so I'm not sure if there is significant difference in form factor. As for WiFi - that is exactly the point - HP has more and miniSD unfortunatelly.

The public's confidence in Palm as a manufacturer will drive sales, regardless of whether another device outperforms in specs. People know the Palm name, and they know the Treo name. Ultimately, it is the Treo 700w which will help increase public awareness of Windows Mobile. Hard-core PDA users might look at other devices, but for the standard Joe User who walks into their telco store looking for a new PDA-phone, it's the Treo that will jump right out at them.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good thing for WM that Palm is coming out with 700w from PR point of view especially in USA. But I fail to see what they bring to the customers outside USA, where you can get machines like SE p9xx series and Nokia Communicators and all sort of HTC WM devices and where Palm and Treo does not mean a thing. Also if you want "only" simple smart phone there is plenty of choice with smaller cheaper devices.
I only hope that their GSM Treo is not going to be put in 700 shell, but it is going to be the rumored Hollywood device with better design and UMTS (possibly also WiFi).

[huangzhinong]

It is confirmed by treonauts.com that this device has 32MB RAM, of which 10MB is available after hard reset, and 64MB ROM, of which 56 MB is available out of box.

Too bad. No way to run Mapopolis, I have to consider other PPC phone.

[snayar]

See?

I told you guys... This device will be another WM fiasco ala MPX! 0X

Even for n00bs, this device will not tick... :roll:

Not that I wish this to happen... It's just plain common sense! :|

In the meantime... Happy holidays!

[whydidnt]

It is confirmed by treonauts.com that this device has 32MB RAM, of which 10MB is available after hard reset, and 64MB ROM, of which 56 MB is available out of box.

Too bad. No way to run Mapopolis, I have to consider other PPC phone.

That's what I was afraid of. The lack of RAM is a killer. As soon as you sync some email and add your PIM information, you will be just about out of RAM. Rememember the Noobs this is targeted at aren't going to know to deal with IE cache either. It will be interesting to see if this actually hurts the WM platform as many first time users are going to be frustrated by the RAM limits and blame the OS not the manufacturer, perhaps pushing them back to Palm?

[snayar]

Exactly!

That's what I've been talking about!

[robert_biggs]

It is confirmed by treonauts.com that this device has 32MB RAM, of which 10MB is available after hard reset, and 64MB ROM, of which 56 MB is available out of box.

This device will be an utter failure with 32MB RAM. WM5 requires a minimum 64MB RAM to run effectively. 10MB available RAM without a true close button built into the OS will mean the device will immediately bog down and run at a snail's pace with constant "memory low" warnings. This device must really have 96MB ROM in order to have 56MB available. WM5 takes up almost 50MB by itself! 8O

Too bad, I was interested in this device. Not as my primary device, but as a cool smartphone that could syncronize PIM data with my main device.

[Ed Hansberry]

It is confirmed by treonauts.com that this device has 32MB RAM, of which 10MB is available after hard reset, and 64MB ROM, of which 56 MB is available out of box.

This device will be an utter failure with 32MB RAM. WM5 requires a minimum 64MB RAM to run effectively. 10MB available RAM without a true close button built into the OS will mean the device will immediately bog down and run at a snail's pace with constant "memory low" warnings. This device must really have 96MB ROM in order to have 56MB available. WM5 takes up almost 50MB by itself! 8O

Too bad, I was interested in this device. Not as my primary device, but as a cool smartphone that could syncronize PIM data with my main device.

There are conflicting reports. Someone is posting screenshots that do indicate that it has 25MB of RAM available and only 10MB not in use when the shot was taken, but I have not seen him say that it is after a soft reset. http://blog.treonauts.com/2005/12/treo_700w_specs.html That seems to be rumor. On top of that, he may not have a final shipping device. A verizon employee says it has 60MB of RAM. http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=803423&amp;page=1&amp;pp=15

Description

Ring in the New Year with the Palm Treo 700w!! This compact all-in-one smart phone features Broadband speed and Windows Mobile 5.0!! The all-digital Palm Treo 700w also comes with Wireless sync, Active Sync 4.0, Built-in Blue tooth technology, Windows Media Player 10 and a 1.3 mega pixel digital camera. Combine these powerful features with its integrated organizer functionality and you get a smart phone that delivers on everything you need when you need it.


General Features
All Digital
128MB Flash/60MB RAM
1XEVDO
1XRTT
240x240 color TFT touchscreen
Back lit QWERTY Keyboard
Blue tooth Enabled
Calendar
Call Waiting
Caller ID - Picture
Camera Resolution - 1.3M Pixel
E-mail and Internet Access
Hearing Aid Compatibility: M3
High-Performance &amp; Robust Antenna
Infrared Port
MS Windows Mobile 5.0
Microsoft Active sync
Microsoft Media Player
Microsoft Pocket Excel
Microsoft Pocket Internet Explorer
Microsoft Pocket Outlook
Microsoft Pocket Word
MultiMedia Services (MMS)
OTA Capable
PC Synchronization
Removable Memory Slot - SD
Speakerphone
TTY compatible
TXT Messaging
Video Messaging
Wireless SYNC
Specifications
Up to 280 Minutes Usage Time
Up to 360 Hours Standby Time
6 oz.
2.30H x 4.40W x 0.90D inches

Packaged With Handset
Getting Started CD-ROM
Headset
QRG
Standard Battery
Stylus
Travel Charger
USB Sync cable
Welcome CD
National Pricing Info
High Tier
1Yr Contract - $549.99
2Yr Contract - $499.99
No Contract - $619.99

[whydidnt]

There are conflicting reports. Someone is posting screenshots that do indicate that it has 25MB of RAM available and only 10MB not in use when the shot was taken, but I have not seen him say that it is after a soft reset. That seems to be rumor. On top of that, he may not have a final shipping device. A verizon employee says it has 60MB of RAM.


If it has 32 MB, then the 25 Available sounds right, BEFORE windows loads, as WM5.0 uses that for system files, and 10 MB left over sounds right as WM5 will take at least 15 MB of RAM after a reset.

The 60 MB number does not sound right - I've haven't seen RAM sold in any amount that isn't divisible by 8 since the days we were paying $500.0 for a 1 MB Stick. I hope it's a typo and 64 MB is included, but the early indications aren't very positive. :? Where would they find a 60 MB chip these days?

[Ed Hansberry]

If it has 32 MB, then the 25 Available sounds right, BEFORE windows loads, as WM5.0 uses that for system files, and 10 MB left over sounds right as WM5 will take at least 15 MB of RAM after a reset.

The 60 MB number does not sound right - I've haven't seen RAM sold in any amount that isn't divisible by 8 since the days we were paying $500.0 for a 1 MB Stick. I hope it's a typo and 64 MB is included, but the early indications aren't very positive. :? Where would they find a 60 MB chip these days?

Could be 64MB but there is only 60 available, so that is the reported number.

I am not sayhing the verizon employee is right, but I am going to wait and see. If it is a 32MB device, and if 25MB is the max, and if 10MB is what you get after a soft reset, then yeah, Palm messed up BIG TIME. But I am going to wait and see.

[Kris Kumar]

Okay, I am not up to date on the Pocket PC news. :oops:

Any idea if the 700w will have MSFP out of the box, I mean at launch time.

[Darius Wey]

Any idea if the 700w will have MSFP out of the box, I mean at launch time.

I believe there's no definite answer at this stage. A lot of people think that it will ship with MSFP out-of-the-box, but we'll know for sure in a couple of days (hopefully).

[whydidnt]

:( Bad news.

A Verizon employee has posted screen shots of a production Treo 700w at Howard Forums: http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=803423&amp;page=24&amp;pp=15

Looks like it is only 32 MB RAM, and has about 13 Mb free after a reset. I think the 60 MB figure is actually the available ROM or storage space after looking at the pictures. It's now becoming obvious that VZW E does not really understand WM5 and it's memory structure ( and who could blame him. )

My prediction is that this device is going to be a major disappointment to many, simply because the lack of RAM is going to severely limit it's functionality. A user at PDAPhoneHome.com is reporting he's had to reduce the amount of mail stored on the device to less than 2 weeks as his unit was down to about 2 MB of free RAM.

No way it's going to be the most widely successful PPCPE device with the specs provided, more likely to be the 2nd most widely returned device (after the fiasco known as the HP 6315). :devilboy:

As has been the case for much of the last 5 years, Palm has once again found a way to shoot themselves in the foot. :grumble: