Is This Fujitsu-Siemens' Upcoming Pocket PC Phone Edition?

[Darius Wey]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/1016/32/' target='_blank'>http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/1016/32/</a><br /><br /></div><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/wey-20051213-FSPPCPE.jpg" /><br /><br />Another update to <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=44890">last week's Fujitsu-Siemens news</a> - first we focus on the upcoming Pocket PC Phone Edition rumoured to be released sometime in the first half of 2006. Despite a week long of Chinese whispers, SoloPalmari says that this Phone Edition has a 2.8" LCD of QVGA resolution, not VGA. It also has an Intel XScale 624MHz processor, 64MB RAM, 256MB Flash ROM, quad-band GSM/GPRS/UMTS support, integrated GPS (SiRFstar III), Bluetooth 1.2, 802.11g Wi-Fi, an SDIO/SD/MMC slot, USB-Host, a QWERTY thumb-board, and Windows Mobile 5.0. Has that image above been 'Photoshopped'? You decide.<br /><br />Over to the Pocket LOOX N560, <a href="http://www.solopalmari.com/images/stories/fsc/looxn560.png">here</a> is a picture of the device if you're interested. Earlier-said specifications seem set in stone - that is, an Intel XScale 624MHz processor, 64MB RAM, 256MB ROM, Bluetooth 1.2, 802.11g Wi-Fi, USB-Host, and an Intel 2700g GPU with VGA-out.<br /><br />It seems like 2006 is Fujitsu-Siemens' year to shine. What might they release next? ;)<br /><br /><b>Online Translation:</b> <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.solopalmari.com%2Fcontent%2Fview%2F1016%2F32%2F&langpair=it%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools">Italian to English (Google)</a>

[Nurhisham Hussein]

...this Phone Edition has a 2.8" LCD of QVGA resolution, not VGA.

That's....disappointing. Although, with that screen size, QVGA isn't too bad, and it'll be a pretty compact PDAphone. With that processor though, I'm wondering just how big the battery will be.

[saru83]

OMG, thats almost like my DREAM Pocket PC Phone :alfdance: , lets just hope its real!!

[saru83]

btw, the keyboard is almost "95%" like the NOKIA E61, hope its just not photo shopped :(

[Rudolf]

...this Phone Edition has a 2.8" LCD of QVGA resolution, not VGA.

I doub't this is 2.8". The keys would be a way too small to be usable with this side. I think the picrure is legit, but not the specifications. I doubt it will have GPS. The spec is just TOO perfect. (I want to be proved wrong tough :) )

[Darius Wey]

hope its just not photo shopped :(

The quote under the image at SoloPalmari says, "elaborazione grafica". Now, that has a broad meaning once you translate it to English. It could be a mock-up, but then again, it could be legit - it all depends on how it's interpreted.

[ricksfiona]

That's a great device! Now that I'm doing eMail much more while on public transit, I'm starting to feel that a thumb keyboard might be good. It would have to be a very good design though. If it's not very usable, then I would rather not have it at all. With the way the picture looks, I don't think I will go for it.

These specifications are so amazing. It would be tough to pass this device up.

[aNiMeMaN14]

i hate to burst everyone's bubble, but that image looks heavily photoshopped

[Faenad]

The quote being "(elaborazione grafica, by ZioMeme)", I believe this is indeed a 'Photoshopped' image made by ZioMeme

Ziomeme seems to have stick a N5xx body to a Nokia E61 Keyboard.
At least I hope so, because if the final design was to be similar, the keyboard would be too small to be usable.

Specs wise, I don't see the point of putting a 624Mhz processor in a QVGA phone Edition -even with an integrated GPS-, even 6 months from now.
Battery life is generally the major concern for a Phone Edition, especially when the corporate market is in mind.

But a 624Mhz would be ok should the unit be VGA :?
I suppose we will have to wait more for reliable info, perhaps Cebit 2006 in Hannover (March)

[alese]

I hope it's real. The specs look nice, I would like to have VGA, but on 2.8 screen I doubt it would make much difference.
I love the SD and USB host and GPS does not hurt either :)

Few questions though. What is actuall size and weight, when it's going to be released (June?), battery life due to fast CPU and of course the price?

I'm really not sure now, should I go for Wizzard that is available now for my main phone or should I limp along with my Himalaya for few more months :?:

[pocketpcadmirer]

The image looks to be a 'true' one..perfect specs

Inclusion of GSM radio is nice because they are more accepted by the masses :D

I want it(because it looks like a true sucessor to my mini)

Sunny

[Menneisyys]

If the image is real, then, the cursor block is WAY too small to be usable. With sizes like this, a stick-like cursor controller could only be used (like that of the Palm Zire 71) but not individual, press-down buttons. Therefore, I don't think it's real.

Furthermore, I don't think the engineers at FS could be able to produce a device much less bulky than the HTC Magician with much more functionality and a screen of the same size packed in, even if you take the age (one-year-old; that is, it's representing the technical level of 2004) of the Magician into account.

(I've also posted on this subject to http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&amp;title=new_fujitsu_siemens_rumors_a_htc_magicia&amp;more=1 .)

[Rudolf]

Unfortunately... Photoshop magic... The thumboard was definietly cut from Nokia E61...

[Dermot81]

The N560 looks like an amazing device, but some people have said it will never find its way to the US?...

If this is true, has anyone heard any information about HP or Dell's next offering? Any 800 mhz xscale processors yet?

[Menneisyys]

The N560 looks like an amazing device, but some people have said it will never find its way to the US?...

If this is true, has anyone heard any information about HP or Dell's next offering? Any 800 mhz xscale processors yet?

There're absolutely no rumors/leaks on HP's next models; therefore, I don't think they'll release anything in the near future.

[Raphael Salgado]

It doesn't look like just the keyboard of the Nokia E61 was Photoshopped, but a lot of it, like the top of the device, too...

http://www.europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,81718,00.html

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/images/devices/e61/e61-rafe.jpg

[surur]

It looks pretty genuine. Notice the 4 way navigation keys, and the lighter border coming down the sides, and the bright reflection, which is pretty consistent in direction.

http://surur.sytes.net/looxphone.jpg

From left to right it has the red phone down key, calender key, 4 way key + action button, wireless key (so it probably has WIFI) and phone down key. Notice it has no soft keys.

Loox like a loox is coming to some phones soon.

Surur

[msafi]

well, thanks to the big pictures by surur and beyondthetech, this is a no-brainer. the keyboard on the loox has the exact same layout as the one on the nokia e61. i don't think this is a coincidence, and i don't think loox would copy nokia in such a way.

also, look at the enter, backspace, and the number keys on both devices. they are very similar.

i'm glad this is a hoax. i hope FS comes up with something different. handheldpc formfactor perhaps? :ppclove: fingers crossed

[TheZodiac]

Holy the Crap. Where are the lips?

[Duncan]

In fairness - Solopalmari never claimed the picture to be real - they clearly state - albeit in Italian - that it is a mock-up. So not a hoax.

Sadly, however, the 'PHN800' is not real in any sense.

The actual Phone Edition Loox will be called the T800. It is due for release in 2006. It will not look anything like the Solopalmari mock-up. The specifications will not be anything like those given on the Solopalmari site. Basically they've just had some bad info - which happens.

We at FirstLoox had the 'N560' specs leaked to us with info that it had the 2700g chip. Turns out the next high end Loox from FSC won't have the 2700g GPU after all. That's the problem with leaks - sometimes the leaker gets things wrong, or mixed up.

Obviously the above info is neither leaked nor rumour - just cast iron facts from the good people at FSC.... and no, I can't tell you more about the actual T800 specs...! :)

[Gti]

That's the problem with leaks - sometimes the leaker gets things wrong, or mixed up.

I think you are in true, dear Duncan. Sometimes information we (me and you) receive are right, sometimes are wrong.
For example I remember that when you was saying (http://www.firstloox.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4849) that the LOOX N500 series would have had 4 models, from 510 to 540 (one phone enabled 8O ), I was just playing with the real LOOX N500, so some days after SoloPalmari published a complete review of the prototype (http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/564/38/) you was only imagining.
The only differences from that time and now, is that now we are speaking about a device that's not ready, and lives only in projects. It could have 4/5/624MHz Cpu, or perahps at the last moment Fsc could decide to change the memory from 64MB to 128.
We are talking about rumors: don't let those make you so worried.
The only important thing is that the Pda Phone has WiFi and Bluetooth, a not large display (2,8''), Umts module, Gps (SiRF Star III) and a Qwerty keyboard under the screen (if your friends from Fsc doesn't like it, we could change the mock-up using Treo keyboard ;) ).
On Cebit we will talk about it with more and more details. Drinking a beer, if you like :)
Ciao, Gianni.

[Duncan]

That's the problem with leaks - sometimes the leaker gets things wrong, or mixed up.

I think you are in true, dear Duncan. Sometimes information we (me and you) receive are right, sometimes are wrong.
For example I remember that when you was saying (http://www.firstloox.org/forums/showthread.php?t=4849) that the LOOX N500 series would have had 4 models, from 510 to 540 (one phone enabled 8O ), I was just playing with the real LOOX N500, so some days after SoloPalmari published a complete review of the prototype (http://www.solopalmari.com/content/view/564/38/) you was only imagining.

Gianni - sorry but this looks uncomfortably like an attempt at public point scoring. I'm sorry mate - but you weren't the only one offered the chance to view a prototype - rightly or wrongly we said no because the GPS wasn't ready to test. At the time I only knew about two models - which didn't mean there couldn't be four eventually. Your previews were great though - and we covered them fully because they were great.

Yes of course we published an early rumour that was wrong - but that was my point. We all get it wrong sometimes. We tend to publish rumours - as rumours - even with that risk. People want to hear them. I do, however, try to test those rumours against what I know to be the facts from FSC - as I know you will too.

The only differences from that time and now, is that now we are speaking about a device that's not ready, and lives only in projects. It could have 4/5/624MHz Cpu, or perahps at the last moment Fsc could decide to change the memory from 64MB to 128.
We are talking about rumors: don't let those make you so worried.
The only important thing is that the Pda Phone has WiFi and Bluetooth, a not large display (2,8''), Umts module, Gps (SiRF Star III) and a Qwerty keyboard under the screen (if your friends from Fsc doesn't like it, we could change the mock-up using Treo keyboard ;) ).

I'm afraid the T800 specs are indeed set in stone now - and they don't match those you published. I asked FSC and they gave me the facts. I published that info. I did so carefully and politely. I get the feeling that - despite your jovial ending - you feel we've attacked or offended you. Nothing could be further from our intent. Solopalmari is a site I look at regularly - in translation - and respect greatly. I will continue to do so.

[Gti]

Duncan wrote:
I'm afraid the T800 specs are indeed set in stone now - and they don't match those you published. I asked FSC and they gave me the facts. I published that info. I did so carefully and politely. I get the feeling that - despite your jovial ending - you feel we've attacked or offended you. Nothing could be further from our intent. Solopalmari is a site I look at regularly - in translation - and respect greatly. I will continue to do so.

I think you made only your work, dear Duncan. Never thought that you was attempting to the credibility of SoloPalmari.
But, in the fact, you light a polemic discussion that's exploding: look at, please, msmobiles, for example (instead of the great quiting work from Ppcthoughts).
There are two versions: mine, where I said that there are affordable voices, but not confirmed, and yours, where you say (quoting your Fsc friends words) that 'for sure nothing SoloPalmari said is correct'.
When you talk to many persons, in 'media' places, every word could be e bomb if used in hard discussions.
So (I use an example for explaining what my pour english can't) if I had to publish a news like yours, probably I'd wright something like this:
'I respect greatly FirstLOOX, but informations we have got said that specs are not corresponding. Who are right? Nothing is sure, those are only rumors! So we will see the future'. If I wright "FirstLOOX has given totally wrong informations', I'm sure: someone could think that I'm too mutch sure, and a little bit worried...

Anyway, I repeate: Cpu or memory could be not those we published (that's a rumor, not?). But the Fsc Pda Phone is Umts, has Gps, Bluetooth and WiFi, a little Qvga screen (2,8 'perahps square'), Qwerty keyboard under the screen. That's the news, and only this one. Other details, for sure, could be wrong. But details don't make a great news.
Ciao, Gianni :)

[Duncan]

Hi Gianni,

If I had a conflicting rumour - that is indeed how I would put it. In this case, however, my information came directly from the FSC Loox team themselves. Thus it is not a contradictory rumour. They asked if we could make it clear the specs were wrong - and trust me they are - so I did. As such there was no other way to put it except in a matter of fact manner - and I would expect the same from you or anyone else if positions were reversed.

But hey - let's not fall out on this. If nothing else it is less than appropriate that we should discuss this publicly in someone else's forum - eh? :)

[Gti]

Hi Gianni,
They asked if we could make it clear the specs were wrong - and trust me they are - so I did.
That was your little error, my dear Duncan. If someone really asked you to do so, you had to say: 'Oh, please, feel free to contact directly SoloPalmari. I think it's the best way'. Not? ;)
Never forgot that someone could say you lies...
Anyway: we will see. Some specs could be wrong, but the Pda Phone with Qwerty keyboard could be real, and it could have 2,8 screen, WiFi and Bt, etc etc... ;)
I can't say why I think the rumors are affordable, like you can't say what is different from my description...


But hey - let's not fall out on this. If nothing else it is less than appropriate that we should discuss this publicly in someone else's forum - eh? :)
I think this forum is better for now: as you can see, till now nobody would reply your news...
Ciao, Gianni :)

[Duncan]

Gianni - let it go. I'm sorry if we upset you - but our only intention was to publish the facts as we had them. This splitting hairs, public discussion of website policy and somewhat snide commentary is, frankly, inappropriate. You have my email, you know where FirstLoox is.

Right here, right now, I'm ending this. With apologies to PPCT for not having had the sense to ignore your first post.

[Gti]

Gianni - let it go. I'm sorry if we upset you - but our only intention was to publish the facts as we had them. This splitting hairs, public discussion of website policy and somewhat snide commentary is, frankly, inappropriate. You have my email, you know where FirstLoox is.

I think what I would say I said. You too.
I'll wait for a beer on Cebit.
Ciao ciao,
Gianni.