Handmark Releases Jewish Study Bible For Windows Mobile

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://www.handmark.com/products/detail.php?id=482">http://www.handmark.com/products/detail.php?id=482</a><br /><br /><i>"Now readers of the Bible interested in Jewish traditions have a comprehensive and mobile resource. The Jewish Study Bible reflects both contemporary biblical scholarship and the richness of Jewish tradition."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2005/20051130-jewishstudybible.gif" /> <br /><br />Handmark uses the Olive Tree Bible software for their content, which is free. The Jewish Study Bible by Oxford is $39.99 and requires 4MB of space either on the device or on a storage card. It is available for both the Pocket PC and Smartphone platform.

[follick]

I would like to mention the free resources at JewishContent.org (http://www.jewishcontent.org/pda/pocket-pc/)
and Mechon Mamre (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/) . Mechon Mamre has an electronic version of the complete Jewish Bible available in a variety of formats including a downloadable HTML zip (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/dlet.htm) of the English JPS 1917 translation.

Sichos in English (http://www.sichosinenglish.org/pda/pocket-pc/) has a large number of books in English on Jewish topics formatted for PocketPC's, all free.

[Ed Hansberry]

I would like to mention the free resources at JewishContent.org (http://www.jewishcontent.org/pda/pocket-pc/)
and Mechon Mamre (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/) . Mechon Mamre has an electronic version of the complete Jewish Bible available in a variety of formats including a downloadable HTML zip (http://www.mechon-mamre.org/dlet.htm) of the English JPS 1917 translation.
Isn't that the Hebrew Bibile in English? The "Complete Jewish Bible" contains also the Greek New Testament, which was the main point of the CJB. See http://www.messianicjewish.net/jntp/complete-jewish-bible.html for additional info on it.

[Jacob]

Isn't that the Hebrew Bibile in English? The "Complete Jewish Bible" contains also the Greek New Testament, which was the main point of the CJB.

Many would say that a Bible that contains the New Testament isn't a Jewish bible ;) .. but that's a religious discussion.

I'd argue that the New Testament really isn't "Jewish content".

It depends on the translation. Jewish translations of the old testament are different in some ways than their Christian counterparts. I would bet that the old Testament in the "complete Jewish bible" is actually the Christian translation, as it is with most messianic sects.

[TwoWolves]

How about a version for the Talmud? Now that would be interesting.

[Ed Hansberry]

Isn't that the Hebrew Bibile in English? The "Complete Jewish Bible" contains also the Greek New Testament, which was the main point of the CJB.

Many would say that a Bible that contains the New Testament isn't a Jewish bible ;) .. but that's a religious discussion.

I'd argue that the New Testament really isn't "Jewish content".

It depends on the translation. Jewish translations of the old testament are different in some ways than their Christian counterparts. I would bet that the old Testament in the "complete Jewish bible" is actually the Christian translation, as it is with most messianic sects.

I think you should further this conversation with someone in the know. Perhaps Jan at www.bethzion.org could help. :D

[Jacob]

I think you should further this conversation with someone in the know. Perhaps Jan at www.bethzion.org could help. :D

"in the know" about what in my post were you referring? As far as I'm concerned, I am in the know.

[Ed Hansberry]

I think you should further this conversation with someone in the know. Perhaps Jan at www.bethzion.org could help. :D

"in the know" about what in my post were you referring? As far as I'm concerned, I am in the know.
Well, you said NT content wasn't Jewish. Was Paul not a Jew? The book of Hebrews (written by whomever) is entirely for the Jews and by a Jew.

I wasn't trying to imply you didn't know, but unless you are a rabbi or Jewish scholar, I would think a rabbi or Jewish scholar would be someone more in the know than most people, which is why I gave a link to a Jewish rabbi. :D

[Jacob]

Well, you said NT content wasn't Jewish. Was Paul not a Jew? The book of Hebrews (written by whomever) is entirely for the Jews and by a Jew.

Aaah.. well I guess it's more about the semantics of "jewish content". Okay, the New Testament is Jewish content in that it was written by a Jew, just like Noam Chomsky's latest book is "Jewish content" in that it was written by a Jew.

However, neither Noam Chomsky's latest book nor the New Testament are "Jewish Content" in that they are equaly holy to Jews(I'm not talking about messianic Jews here though whom are more alike in their beliefs to christians), but still written by Jews.

I wasn't trying to imply you didn't know, but unless you are a rabbi or Jewish scholar, I would think a rabbi or Jewish scholar would be someone more in the know than most people, which is why I gave a link to a Jewish rabbi. :D

You gave a link to a messianic Jewish rabbi, not a Jewish rabbi. There's a difference.

[Chairman Clench]

People are certainly entitled to enjoy whatever beliefs they would like and I fully support every individual's right to choose the faith that best suits them.

As a traditional Jew however, I find this whole thing rather insulting. Trying to pass a Christian interpretation off as a mainstream Jewish product is wrong under this kind of title. Messianic Jews are NOT traditional Jews and are not recognized as part of the mainstream Jewish religion. I have nothing against them or their beliefs and like I said I fully support their right to believe in whatever they would like just like I would hope they support my right to do the same.

What Handmark is doing here is wrong. They are not clearly marking this product for what it is. There is no Jewish Bible. There is a Torah and a Talmud. Free speech tells us that Handmark has the right to publish whatever they would like however, this is approaching misleading marketing.

I wonder what a group like the Anti-Defamation League would say about something like this?

[Ed Hansberry]

What Handmark is doing here is wrong. They are not clearly marking this product for what it is.
Whoa... Handmark is doing nothing but selling an electronic version of this (http://www.us.oup.com/us/brochure/0195297512/?view=usa).

Everyone back down a bit. This is not an attack on anyone. I am going to lock this thread for a few hrs and let everyone cool off. This post and thread was meant to be a resource for those interested in the content, not as an attack on anyone's beliefs nor as a repository to hold attacks against anyone's beliefs.

[Jacob]

As a traditional Jew however, I find this whole thing rather insulting. Trying to pass a Christian interpretation off as a mainstream Jewish product is wrong under this kind of title.

I agree with you that passing messianic Jewish texts and the new testament as traditional Judaism is insulting. However this is not the case here. The book they are publishing appears to be a legitimate Jewish translation of the old testament. It does not include the new testament at all so it would be considered as a Jewish "bible" per se.

In this case I think your anger is misplaced.

[Guest979]

I agree. I respect the rights of Messianic Jews to believe in whatever they want, but I feel it is inappropriate for them to call themselves part of Judaism. Saying "Let's have Judaism, but with Jesus" is no different from saying, "Let's have Christianity, but with Donkey Kong instead of Jesus." My point is just that you can see how this could be construed as insulting. I'm not pointing the finger at any poster in particular or even at Handmark, since I'm not really familiar with this product. I'm not trying to insult anyone's beliefs. But I empathize with the frustration of some of the other posters.

I also agree that "Bible" is not an appropriate term for a Jewish Prayer Book - Sedur is a more common term (I don't know if that's the correct transliteration of the Hebrew name).

I don't know where else to put this, so I'll just include it here: I don't like having Santa in my posts whenever I instinctively type a smiley, i.e. :) . I am not Christian, and I do not celebrate Christmas. Can I turn this off for my own posts?

This post was not intended to be offensive, and I hope it is not.