Sony Ericsson Announce P990 UMTS Smartphone

[Jonathon Watkins]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2688' target='_blank'>http://www.theunwired.net/?itemid=2688</a><br /><br /></div><i>"This will become heavy competition for the HTC Universal. . . . The P990 will be the first commercially available smartphone to adopt the enhanced Symbian OS version 9.1 and UIQ 3 software platform. This flagship UMTS smartphone is Wi-Fi enabled, has a 2 megapixel camera with autofocus and features a new hardware keyboard beneath the flip-down keypad. . . .[T]he P990 now has up to 80 MB user free memory. A 64 MB Memory Stick PRO Duo is included in the box, preloaded with a VPN client and trial version of a virus scan package."</i><br /><br /> <img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/sonyercisson_P990_Front2_small.jpg" /> <br /><br />The P990 should ship in the first quarter of 2006 and there will be several regional variants. Apparently it's now possible to 'multi task' due to the 'enhanced capabilities of the new software platform'. Gosh, what a splendid feature! But I bet the thing that most of you are exited about, is the inclusion of a tiny proprietary memory stick and a trial anti-virus package. So what is Sony 'really' saying here then? ;-) So, is anyone volunteering to give up their HTC Universal for the P990? :twisted:

[IceCaveman]

Hope it's any better than UIQ 2 now that was horrible.

I purchased a P900 back in the day when they were new, people were claiming they were much cooler than Windows Mobile Powered devices, now I'm stuck with an expensive wannabe PDA phone not worth re-selling and a high end PDA + wallet making my pockets extremely filled.

My advice avoid that UIQ stuff. If you need a PDA get a small bluetooth phone and a high-end PDA or HTC Windows Mobile Phone

[whydidnt]

Judging by size and features, this looks more like a competitor for the Wizard than the Universal. I'd be willing to bet that this will make a better phone than PDA, where the Wizard and Universal are still better PDAs than phones.

[Ed Hansberry]

A 64 MB Memory Stick PRO Duo is included in the box…"

:rotfl: Sony, give it up already. :roll:

[hiatus]

I really wish Sony would start making pocket pc or pocket pc phone, they had good design for the Palm, JogDial and stuff that I missed on my Dell X50v.

I have a Nokia Symbian phone, and I just found that software selection are limited (even Symbian UIQ) compare to palm and pocket pc.

[DaleReeck]

Unfortunately, Sony makes some good products. I just bought their $2000 HD Camcorder. It's a great (and affordable in perspective) high definition camcorder. And it of course has a memory stick duo slot. So if you want to use the Sony products, they know you will buy their memory. It's extra bucks into their pockets, plain and simple and they won't give it up.

What's especially annoying about the memory stick duo is that physical size-wise, it's almost identical to an SD card. I could see if it offered some special feature that made it a worthwhile format. But it doesn't. It is a simple and obvious attempt by Sony to suck $$$ out of consumers :evil:

[jerboa]

So if you want to use the Sony products, they know you will buy their memory. It's extra bucks into their pockets, plain and simple and they won't give it up.

As much as I love Sony products, as long as they use their proprietary memory sticks, I will not purchase any. Fewer bucks in their pocket in this case...

[ricksfiona]

Yeah, they do have cool products. But they gotta go with a non-propietary format... And Hell will freeze over when that happens.

[squeeze]

C'mon guys...let's see what on the other side of the fence here...(just my two cents)...

- My laptop (non Sony) is a tablet and supports memory stick (duo uses the adapter)
- My camera users Memory Stick Duo
- My PSP uses Memory Stick Duo
- My DSC F828 uses Memory Stick and Compact Flash
- My TV (yes sony) uses Memory Stick...

Damnit...why doesn't everyone else use a Memory Stick...:devilboy:

I guess it's all about what you have (and what you don't).

I also have tons of gear with SD only....

At the end of the day...Zio and the Memory Card reader manufacturers are really the ones making the dough... :D

This is always a heated debate...memory card formats...can we just move on - remember the Palm vs. PPC debates? Give it some time and we should be good to go...

What really sucks is I have all the cards all over my desk and I don't have an immediate clue as to what's on any of them...

[WyattEarp]

There's nothing worth looking at on the other side of the fence. The Memory stick is a wash. No added fuction to it at all. Plus why use more than one memory card format if you don't have to. the P990 will probably be a nice phone but for me the MS just kills it. Back in the not so long ago days of Sony/Palm PDAs Sonys memory configuartions just didn't cut it compared to Palms PDAs. I wouldn't want Sony messing with WM anymore than it already is. Sony is good in some things but others they just tinker to much and ruin it.

[capuns]

Apparently it's now possible to 'multi task' due to the 'enhanced capabilities of the new software platform'. Gosh, what a splendid feature!

I have to contradict: Multi tasking was already possible with the SE P800 (I owned it)!
And I wished the Universal had an autofocus 2 MP camera! The HTC cameras (or at least my Qtek S100 one's) are so bad, it hurts!

A bit fairness in commenting would be nice! :?

BTW: I wouldn't buy it either. Symbian's UIQ isn't my preferred platform. :wink:

[saru83]

THIS IS AN AWESOME PRODUCT, i was a P800/P900 user, these were VERY cool devices, the only thing that made me move to WM was the s/w available for MS platform, more to choose from, other than that i was SOOO satisfied with there products.

I have been dreaming of a Sony Ericsson PPC Phone, but it seems that it will never come true, &amp; if it does, then no way sometime soon.

Concerning the Memory Stick thing... LET IT GO &amp; MOVE ON, its just non-sence... just accept it..... :evil: they r gonna release a 4GB MS duo... c'mon....

GOOD JOB SONY ERICSSON :clap:

[griph]

why use more than one memory card format if you don't have to.
That argument isn't limited to the MS - why do we need to have such a wide range of differing memory card formats at all, period! :evil: At least Sony have gone down the route of standardising for the whole of their range. You cant say that about other manufacturers - particularly of compact digital Cameras - but its beginning to be a problem with PDA's too with some of the new small units using MiniSD or is that XD instead of SD :?

[griph]

Hmm interesting - they've dumped the P900 screen format under the flip!
Presume that will further limit use of already sparse software written for the P900/910 being used on it. Its is more of a Smartphone and less of a PDA!
http://www.symbianone.com/images/stories/P990.jpg

[dMores]

the screen will be smaller physically (due to the keyboard), but you get more pixels.
p800/p900/p910 had a resolution of 208x320, the p990i will use 240x320.

UIQ has been multitasking all the time, since it emerged on the p800. can't understand why they make such a big fuss about it only now.

memorystick is just fine by me ... i use the integrated 32MB MS on my p900 ONLY on my phone, no need for mp3s or the like.
it stores my camphone pics and ebooks. although, i am not a "power user" with 5 cards in 3 formats like some other people out there.

finally, the p990 is smaller than the k-jam, sports everything the k-jam has but includes UMTS.

i really like this new member of the sonyericsson P series. but you have to broaden your horizon to beyond the world of windows to appreciate it.

basically, it is a mistake to post this newsbit in a pocket-pc forum ... it's bound to get trashed by ppc-freaks ;)

[surur]

This product does have things to be thrashed for e.g.

Why have 2 keyboards, making the device thicker?

Why do the alphanumeric keys look like rubber tictacs?

Why does the rectangular screen look so square?

Last but not least, why use Memory Stick ;)

Surur

[JvanEkris]

You can say what you want about SonyEricsson, but the build-quality is supurb. I still have to meet the HTC device that matches that perfect finishing. Also in design it is a bit more perfect than the K-Jam. If you visit the SonyEricsson site and look closely, they have fitted the controls for the MP3-player on the side, which is a geat use for that device. It is those small details that make the P9xx series such great devices. The 5-way Jog-dial is a great invention and it allows you to really operate the complete OS with one hand.

What i hated about the P900 was that i kept missing appointments from the synchronisation. That kind of flaws make it worthless as a PDA. I still use one, but it has not been synced for over a year.....

Jaap

[dMores]

Why have 2 keyboards, making the device thicker?
the flip cover is removeable ... meaning you can use it, or not.
removing the keyboard inside will not make the device slimmer, see the previous px00 models.

Why do the alphanumeric keys look like rubber tictacs?
hehe :)
i guess they found it to work well.
i can immagine that they feel nice, i am concerned about those buttons ripping off, though.

Why does the rectangular screen look so square?

because there is no head-on photo in flip-open mode.
when the flip is closed, the visible screen IS square. open the flip, you get an extra few pixels.

Last but not least, why use Memory Stick ;)

it's a sony

;)

say what you want, i'm ok with the memory stick.
the only gripe with my p900 is that it supports only memory stick duo (256Mb max), not the duo pro (47Tb max, or something like that)

i have an SD card in my digital camera, which is used exclusively for that. i have no need to swap things around.

a 1Gb hard drive would have been nice, though.

one thing that a lot of you missed is the fact that the px00 will not lose data when your battery is dead. it's what wm05 is now hyping about, only UIQ has been doing this for years.

yes, i feel like i need to defend the device, since it took me a long time to overcome my "it must be windows" mindset, and when i went with the p900, all my prayers were answered.
so excuse my bias. i'm just one happy camper.
the only device that's got me looking past UIQ is the k-jam.
i'll need to test both devices thoroughly before i buy the next thing.

oh ... did i mention the px00 is great for one-handed use?

[starstreak]

I would buy this is the cost was under $500. AND battery life is good. For the size, it should last as long as my 750i. Which is about 4 day standby with about 10mins of use. I want to see that + the ability to use it as a pda. Its a phone first and a pda second. If I can't use it long as a phone, its a pda with a phone trick.

[after_forever]

Devices with keyboards just kill me. It takes up much needed screen space or just makes the device thicker by using a slide out thingy. If you need the keyboard, use the on screen keyboard. For me, I would much rather use handwriting recognition software like Calligrapher and save the space for bigger screen or more memory.

After Forever &lt;----- 2¢

[JvanEkris]

If you need the keyboard, use the on screen keyboard. For me, I would much rather use handwriting recognition software like Calligrapher and save the space for bigger screen or more memory.That, indeed is something they missed.....

jaap

[saru83]

Someone mentioned here that posting about this PDA/Phone is a PPC forum was wrong, which is ture... but i understand why did this happen, COZ THIS IS A DAMN GOOD DEVICE... GIVE IT SOME RESPECT... it can be EASILY compatative with PPC Phones....

[kiwi]

yeah, my old P900 was way more reliable than my MPX200.. and the battery lasted more than one day with normal use. ;)

[dMores]

yeah, batterylife is great.

i get 4 days with infrequent calls and about 30 minutes of ebook reading, and 3 days when i read a lot.
like 3-4 hours.

my ppc was dead after 4 hours of constant use.

starstreak ... the px00 series is designed to be a phone first, then PDA. that's why they put the flip on the device, so you can use it like a normal candybar phone.

there have been pictures of PPCPEs with a keypad-flip. was it by eten? i dunno. but they obviously never really caught on :(

[saru83]

there have been pictures of PPCPEs with a keypad-flip. was it by eten? i dunno. but they obviously never really caught on :(
It was by ASUS, which i have NO idea where have it gone... :?

[Mark Kenepp]

I love my p800 (I had an r380 before that) and I thought the form factor of the p900/p910 was a step up but I am not so sure about this one. What I liked about the px00, and the r380 for that matter, was that the keypad/keyboard flipped out of the way (or, in the case of the px00, could be removed) to give you maximum screen real estate.

Regardless of the increased resolution of the screen, to some, size does mater.

Though I do not think that it is fair to say that this will be competition for the HTC Universal, I for one would prefer the SE p990.

[Jonathon Watkins]

Apparently it's now possible to 'multi task' due to the 'enhanced capabilities of the new software platform'. Gosh, what a splendid feature!

I have to contradict: Multi tasking was already possible with the SE P800 (I owned it)!

Welcome Capnus. Good to have you posting with us. :D

I was pretty much quoting fromthe article. Here it is in full:

Multi tasking – being able to browse the Internet, send and receive files at the same time as talking – is now possible due to the enhanced capabilities of the new software platform.

Not owning a P800, I simply reiterated what the article said......

A bit fairness in commenting would be nice! :?

Now, if you were fair, you would see that I was being fair (as far as I was aware). ;-)

BTW: I wouldn't buy it either. Symbian's UIQ isn't my preferred platform. :wink:

So what is your prefered patform then .......? :)

[Jonathon Watkins]

My laptop (non Sony) is a tablet and supports memory stick (duo uses the adapter)
- My camera users Memory Stick Duo
- My PSP uses Memory Stick Duo
- My DSC F828 uses Memory Stick and Compact Flash
- My TV (yes sony) uses Memory Stick...

Damnit...why doesn't everyone else use a Memory Stick...:devilboy:

Boy Squeeze, you sure bought the Sony cool-aid big-time eh! :wink:

This is always a heated debate...memory card formats...can we just move on - remember the Palm vs. PPC debates?

Ah yes, I seem to remember that we won that argument as well. :devilboy: :wink: :devilboy:

Give it some time and we should be good to go...

Nah. There is still a lot of 'standards' thinning out to do. Once the inferior proprietary formats die, then everyone can concentrate on growing the market with larger format, cheaper, 'universal' cards, such as SD. Grow the pie and everyone benefits, instead of living in an incompatible expensive small memory card world.

Hey, it's a Thought.... :)

[felixdd]

I want this device over many WM phones on the market because of a combination of a few very simple things:

1) Size. The P-series are actually quite small in your hand. The Universal is just way too big for my taste.

2) Phone functions. As someone already said, SE makes sure that their product is phone first, PDA second. That means the signal quality is great, as is voice quality, and just general phone functionality.

3) Camera. This one is personal preference. I would like to have a good camera that I can use to take pictures of documents, slides, etc. -- it's quite handy for a student.

4) WiFi. Not many WM phones are WiFi-enabled but is still small. This one is.

5) 260K screen. Couldn't find it anywhere, but I'm pretty sure this is a 260K color screen, based on the fact that the P910 was also 260K.


I think this is a well executed product. However, I don't think it will sell well because SE has never been much of a product-pusher in the Americas....

[JvanEkris]

4) WiFi. Not many WM phones are WiFi-enabled but is still small. This one is.By the time this one really hits the market there are some fierce competitors: The HTC universal, the HTC wizard and the Quanta Athena.5) 260K screen. Couldn't find it anywhere, but I'm pretty sure this is a 260K color screen, based on the fact that the P910 was also 260K.According to the specification, it has.I think this is a well executed product. However, I don't think it will sell well because SE has never been much of a product-pusher in the Americas....But they are huge in Asia and Europe, 2nd only to Nokia with their throw-away phones everyone gets for free....

jaap

[aviator]

I went to the symbian smartphone show in London today and got some live pics (http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/13879) if anyone is interested

I am a moderator on a sony ericsson forum and have been through all the P series always returning to pocket pc/windows mobile and thought the P910 would be my last but this one has once again caught my attention :-)

[Damion Chaplin]

The ONE thing that I liked about my NX70V was that I could take the memory stick out of my F717 and pop it into my PDA and view the pics on it's gorgeous gigantic screen. That, however, was one of it's only redeeming qualities. WM does everything else better than (that version of) Palm. I'd LOVE to see a Sony WM device. Sony, just take a que from the F818 and put a CF slot in there too... Duh. :roll:

Viewing my pics on my PDA is, however, not worth the move to Symbian.

[dMores]

I have to contradict: Multi tasking was already possible with the SE P800 (I owned it)!

Welcome Capnus. Good to have you posting with us. :D

I was pretty much quoting fromthe article. Here it is in full:

Multi tasking – being able to browse the Internet, send and receive files at the same time as talking – is now possible due to the enhanced capabilities of the new software platform.

(i hope i got the quoting right :))

i have to admit ... i never tried surfing and downloading and uploading at the same time.
so this may have been a lack in UIQ1-2.
but switching between programs, having things open, and using a task manager to switch or close apps sure felt like a true multitask-eable operating system.
anyways ... just wanted to mention this.

it's nice to see other px00 users on this board. :)

[dMores]

aviator, those are some really good pics!

i like this one:

http://premium1.uploadit.org/fredsmith/P990/DSC06413.JPG

may this mean we'll finally get WEEK VIEW OUT OF THE BOX?
this will be, i think, the first time ANY pda/smartphone will have this.

[JvanEkris]

I went to the symbian smartphone show in London today and got some live pics (http://www.uploadit.org/gallery/13879) if anyone is interestedMay i post them on my website (www.pocketinfo.nl), i know a lot of people will be interested!

jaap

[aviator]

The SE guy went to great lengths to show me that explaining that it was new in P990. He also went to great lengths to show me the multi tasking

hang on a sec though, pocketpc and window mobile have week view, though not laid out like that

edit: @JvanEkris, yes feel free to post them where you like and though its not compulsory, a simple link to either www.esato.com or my thread (http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=105981)there with these pics would be appreciated (yes, I am masseur at Esato and many other places :-) )

[JvanEkris]

may this mean we'll finally get WEEK VIEW OUT OF THE BOX?
this will be, i think, the first time ANY pda/smartphone will have this.This is what a weekview should look like! WOW!!!

jaap

[JvanEkris]

yes feel free to post them where you like and though its not compulsory, a simple link to either www.esato.com or my thread (http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=105981)there with these pics would be appreciated (yes, I am masseur at Esato and many other places :-) )Thank you very much, and off course i will link to your site:)

Jaap

[WyattEarp]

why use more than one memory card format if you don't have to.
That argument isn't limited to the MS - why do we need to have such a wide range of differing memory card formats at all, period! :evil: At least Sony have gone down the route of standardising for the whole of their range. You cant say that about other manufacturers - particularly of compact digital Cameras - but its beginning to be a problem with PDA's too with some of the new small units using MiniSD or is that XD instead of SD :?

I agree and never said it was. I give Sony for trying to standardize the format in there own devices. But the SD format was already out and they decided to go a different route which I thought was unneeded from the jump start. Many of the other formats don't make sense either except to confuse the consumer.

[lsbeller]

OK, I used the p800 for a while and loved the form factor and one handed usage, but ultimately left the UIQ platform because it did not sync categories with Outlook.

Anyone know if this changed with the updated OS?

[phs]

This product does have things to be thrashed for e.g.

Why have 2 keyboards, making the device thicker?


Here in the text messaging capital of the planet, many shy away from PocketPC Phones because they don't have the usual phone keypad. If the thing can't let you do something as simple as send a text message while driving, then it's not worth buying. It's true ... really ...

[phs]

I have a Nokia Symbian phone, and I just found that software selection are limited (even Symbian UIQ) compare to palm and pocket pc.

That's surprising. I use a Nokia Series 60 (Symbian OS7, not UIQ) and I have installed (and uninstalled some) more apps than I ever did in my PocketPC. There are some pretty useful Symbian apps that, insofar as handheld devices are concerned, used to be more the domain of the PocketPC OS, like File managers; Word, Spreadsheet, and Powerpoint viewers/editors; Zip, Rar, and Tar archivers/extractors; POP/IMAP email clients; image editors; gprs counters; dictionaries and eBook readers; and even a some pretty good MP3 players. I don't like the games, though, because the screen is too small.

What sort of app were you looking for anyway?

[JvanEkris]

I must say the Handango's UIQ-section is well-filled with applications, i personally never had any problems finding an application....

Jaap

[Rudolf]

As for multi-tasking> I think they are refering to the feature that the phone no longer suspends the data transmission while you are in a call (ie. using voice capabilities) (so in fact the GSM/UMTS radio can multi-task too...)
AFAIK all PPC Phones and most of the Smartphones suspend the GPRS data transmission while you are receiving a GSM voice call.

[dMores]

nope, they say "browse the net and send/recieve files at the same time".
which, i must admit, i have never tried.
couldn't say if ppcs can do that, i don't usually send/recieve stuff while browsing.
if i'm not mistaken the gprs connection is not killed when you recieve a call, so gsm and gprs are seperately accessible for the px00.

if you look at the photo of the p990i with the flip removed, it looks just like a treo.
i think that's what they were trying to accomplish ... satisfy the previous flip-lovers AND maybe get treo-style-lovers to jump into their camp.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=my&amp;lc=en&amp;ver=4000&amp;template=pp1_loader&amp;php=php1_10336&amp;zone=pp&amp;lm=pp1&amp;pid=10336

i'm a flip-person, though :)

[JvanEkris]

PocketPC's can do that. I did that when i was in Austria on vacation, "borrowing" some bandwith from a nearby hotel at -12 Celcius. I downloaded my RSS-feeds, fetched my E-mail (en sent it too) and browsed one site that did ot have RSS....

Jaap

[dMores]

then you were using wifi. i think what they're real proud of is the multitasking capabilities of the GPRS/UMTS connection.
wifi is something different. but who cares ... we'll see it when we get it :)

[Rudolf]

nope, they say "browse the net and send/recieve files at the same time".
which, i must admit, i have never tried.
couldn't say if ppcs can do that, i don't usually send/recieve stuff while browsing.
if i'm not mistaken the gprs connection is not killed when you recieve a call, so gsm and gprs are seperately accessible for the px00.

:) Yes, but the sentence continues:
being able to (browse the Internet, send and receive files) at the same time as talking
ie. it's possible now to either, browse or send files (ehich is essentially the same thing) WHILE you are talking. This is not possible with the current GSM/GPRS devices. Once a GSM call is running, the GPRS channel is suspeded. Once the call is over, the GPRS channel is transparently resumed and the data transfer continues.
This device however can keep the data channel withou suspending, and STILL use the voice channel.
Calling this "feature" to multi-tasin is rather misleading however.

[Fishie]

This product does have things to be thrashed for e.g.

Why have 2 keyboards, making the device thicker?


Here in the text messaging capital of the planet, many shy away from PocketPC Phones because they don't have the usual phone keypad. If the thing can't let you do something as simple as send a text message while driving, then it's not worth buying. It's true ... really ...

You shouldnt be texting while driving as is.
Over here in Belgium you no longer are allowed to by law BTW.
Too many accidents by people distracted by their cellphones.

[PetiteFlower]

Yes for heaven's sake, please don't text and drive! That's even worse then talking on the phone!

[Phillip Dyson]

if you look at the photo of the p990i with the flip removed, it looks just like a treo.
i think that's what they were trying to accomplish ... satisfy the previous flip-lovers AND maybe get treo-style-lovers to jump into their camp.

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp?cc=my&amp;lc=en&amp;ver=4000&amp;template=pp1_loader&amp;php=php1_10336&amp;zone=pp&amp;lm=pp1&amp;pid=10336

i'm a flip-person, though :)

Wow, it really looks like a nice device without the flip keypad.

I used to be a flip phone person too, but after the motorola v600 I fled to a smartphone. Which was the Audiovox 5600. I knew enough not to get the mp 220. I did vow never to go with a phone that didn't have a real OS again.

[dMores]

friends don't let friends drive textin'

:)

i've sent the occasional message while at the wheel.
but i was one of the first people ever on the planet to have been caught driving while telephoning by the police. cost me 30 bucks, i think it was only 5 days after the law went into effect in austria :)

but with the px00 you COULD text while driving. ;)

[dskeeles]

[ie. it's possible now to either, browse or send files (ehich is essentially the same thing) WHILE you are talking. This is not possible with the current GSM/GPRS devices. Once a GSM call is running, the GPRS channel is suspeded. Once the call is over, the GPRS channel is transparently resumed and the data transfer continues.
This device however can keep the data channel withou suspending, and STILL use the voice channel.
Calling this "feature" to multi-tasin is rather misleading however.

Yep - ISTR in the GSM spec it was something like Category A,B,C devices:

A : Voice or Data session must be torn down when switching from one to the other.
B : Data session can remain connected, but must be suspended when using voice
C : Voice and Data can be streamed simultaneously

Category B devices have been around since the days of MMS (I think the T68i was one, and maybe others before it), so it's about time they got to Category C. I suspect there have been other CatC devices before now, but not sure which. Nokia Communicator, maybe?


It's interesting to see a fair number of people sticking up for a Symbian phone on a PPC forum.. I was at the Smartphone show, in a Seminar given by a professional 'Corporate Mobilisation' company, who tailor-made solutions for companies wanting to mobilise their workforce. They had access to all handheld devices equally, and were actually called "Handheld PCs Ltd", but kept picking the P910 over other devices, in the solutions they recommended. They did state "pocketability, usability, not losing all your data if the battery dies" as being common customer requirements where the P9xx won out - but this is something that WM2005 should fix. The show was a Symbian show too, so perhaps slightly biased!

Anyway - next quarter should see the P990, kJam/Wizard, and Nokia E71 all playing in roughly the same space, and roughly neck-and-neck in functionality. I'm looking at the kJam in the expectation that the Microsoft OS will let me integrate it into the home a lot more closely (Media Extender, for example). Should be fun!


[d]

[phs]

Yes for heaven's sake, please don't text and drive! That's even worse then talking on the phone!

i DON'T text and drive, heck, I don't even have a car. What I'm saying is a phone with two keypads make a lot of sense in a market where people text a lot. Most people around here find a numeric keypad better for texting than a QWERTY.

[phs]

It's interesting to see a fair number of people sticking up for a Symbian phone on a PPC forum..

One thing going for Symbian is that you can install tons of apps without slowing down; why did they have to invent pesky DLLs in "C:\Windows", or windows registry? Why can't we go back to DOS, where the apps can be
as simple one EXE file?

Also, who needs a phone that you have to soft reset every day?

Here's hoping that the price of the XDA mini falls to rock bottom ...

[dMores]

Also, who needs a phone that you have to soft reset every day?oh that's just not true. my pocketpc didn't need a daily reset, and that was with the ppc OS, the one before ppc2002.

to be fair, my p900 does sometimes freeze up or act weird and requires me to "hard reset" it. meaning i turn it off and back on.

this happens roughly every 3 months. better than my ppc, but still not completely worry-free.

[phs]

Also, who needs a phone that you have to soft reset every day?oh that's just not true. my pocketpc didn't need a daily reset, and that was with the ppc OS, the one before ppc2002.

I guess it depends on what the PocketPC is used for.

I have an iPaq 2210. I used to use bluetooth a lot for sending SMS; to do that, I had to do several soft resets every day. Now I don't use it anymore for sending SMS.

I have a new Symbian phone. Now I use my iPaq 2210 to transfer apps, themes, images, etc. to the phone via bluetooth. I've been doing this everyday for the past couple of days, and probably get tired soon. To do all that transferring, I still do several soft resets everyday.

I also use a bluetooth keyboard for typing on my iPaq, I also use a bluetooth dial-up modem for emailing with my iPaq. Guess what? More often than not you have to soft reset first, although not everyday, only when you need to connect.

So I wasn't exaggerating when I said I soft reset everyday .. that was even an understatement.

[phs]

Five minutes ago I plugged my iPaq 2210 to sync with my PC, just like what I've been doing the past couple of years. But unlike before, my Ipaq showed a white screen that said HP invent. Lo and behold, my 2210 is spanking new again. Bad enough that I have to soft reset every day, but now do I have to hard reset too?

Good thing I have all my Appointments, Tasks, and Contacts backed up ... on my Symbian phone!