User Preview & Screenshots of iMate JasJar (AKA HTC Universal)

[Ekkie Tepsupornchai]

<div class='os_post_top_link'><a href='http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=726167' target='_blank'>http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ad.php?t=726167</a><br /><br /></div><i>"Two things I have noticed very early on....the screen quality of this device is excellent. I think the best I have ever seen. Secondly, if you have blown this device off solely because it is too big. I think you should see and hold one, you may change your mind. I'm not saying you definitely will. It is big, but not as big as you expect. It's more of a 6" brick than it is a 12" block."</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ekkie_jas3.jpg" /><br /><br />Can too much HTC Universal news in one day be such a bad thing? Dave Evans over at <a href="http://www.howardforums.com">HowardForums</a> has gotten his hands on a JasJar / HTC Universal unit for review. This isn't his formal review just yet, but he does mention his initial impressions and drops a boatload of juicy photographs (40+ total). Check it out!

[KTamas]

*sniff*

This is beautiful......

*drools*

[ricksfiona]

Even though I'm not getting one of these.. Good information is always good.

[carphead]

The pics comparison with x50v was one I've been waiting for. Kills it for me. Specs telk you a lot but hold ny x50v next to my ear tells me everything I needed to know.

I only make a couple of calls a day BUT I coulddn't bare to carry on of these about all day.

[kaitanium]

HTC Universal GALORE! im overwhelmed

[Paragon]

The pics comparison with x50v was one I've been waiting for. Kills it for me. Specs telk you a lot but hold ny x50v next to my ear tells me everything I needed to know.

I only make a couple of calls a day BUT I coulddn't bare to carry on of these about all day.

Yup, it's definitely a phone to be used with a Bluetooth headset. It has a builtin speed dialer app that works very well over Bluetooth.

This is what I find the most worrying though:
http://www.devans.ca/jas53.jpg

This is right out of the box, with no added software. Only what gets added from the extended ROM
Remeber all the discussions we had about the memory requirements on WM5.0. I felt it needed 128mb of ROM opposed to the 96 it was slated for originally. Good thing they increased that, otherwise there would be almost no storage at all...but they dropped the RAM down to 64mb. :?: That sounds like enough, but what is left for users to run apps is getting rather slim...and this seems to be the standard memory configuration for WM5.0 devices. Both sides of the memory ROM and RAM are pretty slim. :cry:

Dave[/img]

[Darius Wey]

This is right out of the box, with no added software. Only what gets added from the extended ROM
Remeber all the discussions we had about the memory requirements on WM5.0. I felt it needed 128mb of ROM opposed to the 96 it was slated for originally. Good thing they increased that, otherwise there would be almost no storage at all...but they dropped the RAM down to 64mb. :?: That sounds like enough, but what is left for users to run apps is getting rather slim...and this seems to be the standard memory configuration for WM5.0 devices. Both sides of the memory ROM and RAM are pretty slim. :cry: [/img]

So of the 64MB of RAM you have for execution, you only have ~48MB to play around with? :| Bugger...

[posiedon7]

This thing is gianormous!

Keyboards on PDA Phones suck arse!

Give me more memory, bigger screen, more power, better camera.

Last time I used the keyboard on my Xv6600 I droppped it. With this device I would have to stop and sit down to be able to type.

Sorry just frustrated with the whoe keyboard crapola (sliders included)!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Paragon]

So of the 64MB of RAM you have for execution, you only have ~48MB to play around with? :| Bugger...

Yup. I agree, Darius.

[Paragon]

This thing is gianormous!

Keyboards on PDA Phones suck arse!

Give me more memory, bigger screen, more power, better camera.

Last time I used the keyboard on my Xv6600 I droppped it. With this device I would have to stop and sit down to be able to type.

Sorry just frustrated with the whoe keyboard crapola (sliders included)!

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

The keyboard is one of the best features of this device, right after the screen. The screen is incredible. The keyboard it is very easy to use without sitting down. It balances in your hand, and is big enough to be very easy to use. With the shortcut buttons on it you seldom need to use the stylus.

Size...for those who need a data-centric device with cellular and wifi internet capabilities it is going to be a hit. For all those carring their 4700 Ipaqs, and Dell x50s around in their pocket, plus a phone, this device should work pretty well for them. It's only big if you think of it purely as a phone. That is not it's intended use. If you think of it as a connnected data device it's pretty cool. Data entry has never been easier....to all those folks who carried Ipaqs with dual slot sleeves, this thing is tiny. ;)

Personally I don't need all that it holds. The eten, Jam, or new K-Jam are more for me as well.

Dave

[Duncan]

Yes - 48MB RAM, some of that will be lost by any plug-ins or resident programs you install. That could lead to as little as 20-25MB RAM for running stuff.

I was starting to be convinced that 128MB ROMand 64MB RAM was going to be a good thing. Now I'm thinking that the 64MB ROM 128MB RAM of my Loox 720 is better. After all - you can add more program storage via one of the memory slots (and, if I believe what I read in various forums, programs will run off an SD card in WM5 that wouldn't under WM2003SE).

Still - hope for Universal owners - it does have two spare RAM slots in place - and PPC Techs already have a (empty) Universal section in place already. Not, I suspect, the hardest of upgrades to pull off.

Any Universal owners want to get the word off them?

[Paragon]

I was starting to be convinced that 128MB ROMand 64MB RAM was going to be a good thing. Now I'm thinking that the 64MB ROM 128MB RAM of my Loox 720 is better.

Absolutely no way, Duncan. Out of 128mb of ROM only 43.72 are left to use. If you changed it to 64mb you'd be in the hole. The device would be unusable. It needs as a minimum 128/128.



Any Universal owners want to get the word off them?

There is one that I know of on the way to them now to be upgraded.

[Duncan]

I was starting to be convinced that 128MB ROMand 64MB RAM was going to be a good thing. Now I'm thinking that the 64MB ROM 128MB RAM of my Loox 720 is better.

Absolutely no way, Duncan. Out of 128mb of ROM only 43.72 are left to use. If you changed it to 64mb you'd be in the hole. The device would be unusable. It needs as a minimum 128/128.

Not at all. Currently with WM5 installed the Loox 720 has c.23MB of storage left available in the ROM and works very well. The Universal uses a lot of its ROM for non-OS stuff - that's why it only has 43MB space left for storage and why it needs 128MB ROM.

As I said - lack of ROM storage is easy to make up for. Lack of RAM isn't.

I do agree, however, that neither configuration is ideal and that 128/128 (or even 128/96 ROM/RAM) would be better.



Any Universal owners want to get the word off them?

There is one that I know of on the way to them now to be upgraded.[/quote]

Good to hear...! :)

[Paragon]

Yeah...ok...sorry I read it as the Universal have the same memory. Not the total Loox setup itself. I was very surprised to see how much was used on the Universal for OS/extended ROM and so on. The Loox obviously has a cleaner package, which is understandable since it is not a phone.

I think it's time for HTC to rethink the extended ROM idea. Most of what is there can be put on a CD opposed to storing it on a memory chip that we are all going to hack the crap out of to get rid of anyway. :) with persistent storage why do the cab. files need to be saved on the device anyway? Apparently the extended ROM on the Universal is 20MB. Add that to the existing usable ROM and that problem is now solved. The RAM issue is easily solved with a bit more RAM installed. I think they could squeeze the cost of it out of the grand the thing costs.

Dave

[KTamas]

Extended ROM is kinda pointless indeed. With an XDA-developers tool, you can already "eleminate" extended ROM, by resizing it to 128kb, and the rest of the size goes to \Storage (WM2003SE) or for the storage memory (WM5). This tool works only under MDAII/III (Himalaya/Blueangel) yet, but well, if you will want 20 mb more space, i guess all you have to do is wait for an extended ROM unlocker and a DOC (Disk-on-Chip) resizer... :roll:


Bottom line: When a WM5 ROM can fit into 32 MB with all the stuff on other devices, how comes it is 64MB on the Universal? What makes the extra 32 MB?

[Paragon]

Bottom line: When a WM5 ROM can fit into 32 MB with all the stuff on other devices, how comes it is 64MB on the Universal? What makes the extra 32 MB?

The Extended ROM stays on the device....the .cab files stay in place at their original size, till they are needed again. Plus all those apps in Extended ROM are installed to the ROM as well. So in affect a 20mb sized extended ROM becomes 40MB. Kind of like if you took a full bottle of water and placed it in a barrel it will displace it's volume. If you pour the water into the barrel then place the bottle back in again (sealed) it will displace twice the water.

Dave

[KTamas]

Bottom line: When a WM5 ROM can fit into 32 MB with all the stuff on other devices, how comes it is 64MB on the Universal? What makes the extra 32 MB?

The Extended ROM stays on the device....the .cab files stay in place at their original size, till they are needed again. Plus all those apps in Extended ROM are installed to the ROM as well. So in affect a 20mb sized extended ROM becomes 40MB.
Heh, i did not think of that... thanks.

[Paragon]

Heh, i did not think of that... thanks.

Don't thank me, thank HTC. :lol:

[aNiMeMaN14]

i hate to be the punk bitch in a happy thread...

...but sometimes my i-mate Jam is too big for me lol

and my axim? oh goodness, my ex used to say i didn't work out enough, so i curled my axim. i'd apparently have to benchpress the universal.

http://www.devans.ca/jas50.jpg

8O

real talk... if i EVER saw a dude walking down the street like that... i'd slap him in the back of his head for even thinking it's ok to look so stupid

oh well... everyone fantacizing for an mpx... this is as close are yall are getting

[Jonathon Watkins]

real talk... if i EVER saw a dude walking down the street like that... i'd slap him in the back of his head for even thinking it's ok to look so stupid

Be fair. :) It's not too many years ago that my mobile phone was as big as that. :wink:

BT headsets are the way to go, but if the battery power ran out on mine or I forgot to take it with me, I would be fine holding the Exec up to my head for a call. OK, the next generation should be a bit smaller, but in the end, with a 3.8 inch screen, you you always going to be larger than the tiny screened device. Personally I would rather have a larger screen and hence device. Each to their own. :)

[MitchellO]

http://www.devans.ca/jas31.jpg

Looks great. I'm just puzzled why it says HTC Innovation under the battery?

[ctitanic]

So of the 64MB of RAM you have for execution, you only have ~48MB to play around with? :| Bugger...

Yup. I agree, Darius.

What you are running so memory demanding that you need more RAM?
I always have had 20 MB free of RAM for execution and never have ran into a situation where I did not have enough memory to run a program.

Quake for Pocket PC, which is a very memory demanding program, needs just 10 MB to run. With 40 MB you can run 4 times Quake! More RAM is just good if the OEM provides you with a RAMDisk to run and storage some applications on it for a faster performance. But if you can´t use the RAM in a RAMDisk 64 MB is enough. ;)

[Paragon]

Looks great. I'm just puzzled why it says HTC Innovation under the battery?

Would you rather it said Nokia, Mitchell? ;)

[ctitanic]

Yes - 48MB RAM, some of that will be lost by any plug-ins or resident programs you install. That could lead to as little as 20-25MB RAM for running stuff.

I was starting to be convinced that 128MB ROMand 64MB RAM was going to be a good thing. Now I'm thinking that the 64MB ROM 128MB RAM of my Loox 720 is better. After all - you can add more program storage via one of the memory slots (and, if I believe what I read in various forums, programs will run off an SD card in WM5 that wouldn't under WM2003SE).

Still - hope for Universal owners - it does have two spare RAM slots in place - and PPC Techs already have a (empty) Universal section in place already. Not, I suspect, the hardest of upgrades to pull off.

Any Universal owners want to get the word off them?

64 of ROM is too small, you are will run out of that space very soon even if you install applications in your memory cards, remember that many dlls are going to end in your ROM no matter where you install the program. That´s the part that I don´t like from the Loox. 128 of RAM is too much and 64 of ROM is too short. For me the ideal is 98RAM/256ROM.

[ctitanic]

The picture I like most is this one

http://www.devans.ca/jas49.jpg

This device is perfect for hiding your face if you are caught in a compromised place ;)

Everytime I see it I like more my mpx220 :D

This thing is huge for a phone!

[Paragon]

So of the 64MB of RAM you have for execution, you only have ~48MB to play around with? :| Bugger...

Yup. I agree, Darius.

What you are running so memory demanding that you need more RAM?
I always have had 20 MB free of RAM for execution and never have ran into a situation where I did not have enough memory to run a program.

Quake for Pocket PC, which is a very memory demanding program,

Persoanlly I feel the same. I have made the same arguments in the past. In an earlier thread discussing RAM needs I put my x50v through some tests with more apps running than you could ever use at one time, and I could barely get it over 30MB.

I agree that it could use more RAM becuase with the RAM that is visable in the picture...nothing is running except what needs to to turn n. For many heavy users (Surur) it is going to be running pretty close to the edge. This is definitely a data device. I think most people that will use this are going to be putting it to heavy use. Why have a 1000 dollar plus device and have to manage RAM?

Dave

[Paragon]

This device is perfect for hiding your face if you are caught in a compromised place ;)

Everytime I see it I like more my mpx220 :D

This thing is huge for a phone!

I think everyone who over amps on the size of this device has totaly missed the point...sorry! I know I over amped on its size A LOT before I used one, then the light came on.

It was designed to be this big. It is very functional at this size. It was NOT designed to hold to your ear. If you look at the screen half, the screen does not cover the complete real estate, by design. The face needs to be that size to cover the keyboard. It is a data device. The wizard is the phone device. Cellular capabilities on the Universal are there first, for cellular connectivity...UTMS connectivity to be precise, and secondly as a phone in conjunction with Bluetooth. HTC has embedded their own BT Voice Dialer application so that it does not need to be pulled out to use as a phone....Is a laptop with an Aircard in it huge? :)

Dave

[Radimus]

in the grand scheme of things, this ia a PDA with an integrated phone... as opposed to a phone with an integrated PDA.

I hate the built in keyboard... I'd prefer an attachment thumboard or a BT keyboard... it is pointless to me considering it has a touch screen (and my fingers are FAR too fat to try using it anything like a keyboard

I'd like it to focus on the same saze as an x50 (for example) and improve battery life, decrease weight, increase screen size and more/faster memory.... more efficiency using the save form factor.

Bluetooth makes the integrated devices kind of superflous... BT keyboard instead of integrated, BT GPS instead of integrated, etc. However the integrated phone is a must :wink:

Some of these things are really starting to close in on Tablets, with a laptop's price

[dazz]

Kind of like if you took a full bottle of water and placed it in a barrel it will displace it's volume. If you pour the water into the barrel then place the bottle back in again (sealed) it will displace twice the water.

Dave, you are our Jedi Master!! :D

Be water, my friend!

[dazz]

Looks like most everyone either loves this device or hates it. I think it is super nice and would certainly consider getting one, as long as I have a Bluetooth headset handy at all times. It really is too big to hold it up to the ear regularly.

Plus, usually when I am using the phone I will want to look up some info or type out a note. Can't do that with the beast up to your head!

If I'm not mistaken, the Jasjar has a built-in speakerphone. Is that correct? That would be handy.

[Paragon]

Dave, you are our Jedi Master!! :D

Be water, my friend!

Well I ain't your father..........Luke I'm yo.......

[Birdman]

Dave, hope all is well. I am just heading over to HForums to read the review (so I apologize in advance if you have coverred this there) but have you been able to try any push email functionality on the device. I have been using a BB for a bit recently and while it is sorely lacking in many other PPC areas, the push email is virtually flawless.

This device and other 5.0 type devices may be close but I have yet to hear of sufficiently integrated push email available, despite the promises.

Birdman

[Paragon]

Dave, hope all is well. I am just heading over to HForums to read the review (so I apologize in advance if you have coverred this there) but have you been able to try any push email functionality on the device. I have been using a BB for a bit recently and while it is sorely lacking in many other PPC areas, the push email is virtually flawless.

This device and other 5.0 type devices may be close but I have yet to hear of sufficiently integrated push email available, despite the promises.

Birdman

Hey Dov....long time!

To my knowledge there is NOT yet a BB client for this device. Hosted Exchange will work with it when SP2 is finally released. For now I think it's Exchange with the SMS notification....if anyone else knows anything better lets us know.

Dave

[MG]

OMG! it's even BIGGER than I imagined. Stack them up with mortar between them and start building! That thing is THE brick! Now it just looks like a underpowered mini-laptop instead of a "state of the art" pda phone.

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.

Mark

[Paragon]

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.


Throws up hands and waves a big white flag....

That is why they designed the Wizard!!! :frusty: :frusty:

[SteveHoward999]

real talk... if i EVER saw a dude walking down the street like that... i'd slap him in the back of his head for even thinking it's ok to look so stupid



Seems to me like he has a teeny widdle head, plus big arm and hand. Maybe he hired his baby brother to be a stunt-double for the head shot.

I have no doubt the Universal is relatively big, but that picture is too weird to be able to tell its size properly. Still - one reason I have not bought a PDA/phone yout is becuase I don't want earprints on my PDA :-)

--

[MG]

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.


Throws up hands and waves a big white flag....

That is why they designed the Wizard!!! :frusty: :frusty:
Well sure, the Wizard proves that all those features can be packaged in a smaller "phone", which just makes the Universal look that more ridiculous as a phone and under powered as a laptop.
I just think they may have missed the market.

Mark

[Paragon]

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.


Throws up hands and waves a big white flag....

That is why they designed the Wizard!!! :frusty: :frusty:
Well sure, the Wizard proves that all those features can be packaged in a smaller "phone", which just makes the Universal look that more ridiculous as a phone and under powered as a laptop.
I just think they may have missed the market.

Mark

Ok, one last try here.;) IT WAS DESIGNED TO BE THIS SIZE. That is what makes it functional. Nice big screen....VERY usable keyboard.

You want small you get the Wizard. You want a mini laptop that fits in your pocket, or something more like an HPC you get the Universal.......That way you don't miss the market. ;)

Just because it is too big for me or you doesn't mean there aren't a lot people out there interested in it....right?

Dave

[Marcel_Proust]

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.


Throws up hands and waves a big white flag....

That is why they designed the Wizard!!! :frusty: :frusty:
Well sure, the Wizard proves that all those features can be packaged in a smaller "phone", which just makes the Universal look that more ridiculous as a phone and under powered as a laptop.
I just think they may have missed the market.

Mark

Have you used the keyboard?
I wonder how it stacks up. I wonder if it's neither as fast as a full bt keyboard, or as small as a RIM type keyboard, and kind of neither here nor there. how would one type on it? with thumbs or touch typing?

[ctitanic]

I was starting to be convinced that 128MB ROMand 64MB RAM was going to be a good thing. Now I'm thinking that the 64MB ROM 128MB RAM of my Loox 720 is better.

Absolutely no way, Duncan. Out of 128mb of ROM only 43.72 are left to use. If you changed it to 64mb you'd be in the hole. The device would be unusable. It needs as a minimum 128/128.



Any Universal owners want to get the word off them?

There is one that I know of on the way to them now to be upgraded.

well, for me the ideal is 256ROM /98 RAM
BTW, here is the screen shot of what memory is going to be available for future onwer of the x51v

http://www.tweaks2k2.com/images/v51vs1.jpg

More info at http://x51v.blogspot.com

And here is a link to a pdf at dell found and sent to me by one of my users ;)

http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/corporate/environ/Axim_X51.pdf

[Paragon]

Have you used the keyboard?
I wonder how it stacks up. I wonder if it's neither as fast as a full bt keyboard, or as small as a RIM type keyboard, and kind of neither here nor there. how would one type on it? with thumbs or touch typing?

The keyboard is too small to touch type, I think. It is much bigger than a thumboard. Sitting on a desk I have been using 2-3 fingers on each hand. Not much different from the way I normally type. Standing, it is pretty well balanced and is very easy to type with thumbs. In total honesty, in a day and a half of use I don't think I have hit one wrong key because of the keys being to small or close together. I can't type a complete sentence on a normal thumboard without hitting wrong keys. There are a good number of shortcut keys on it, so you seldom need to use the stylus. Data entry on this device is supurb, in my mind. As I said before, after the screen, the keyboard is its biggest feature.....that is why it is a bit bigger than most other PDAs. I absolutely hated thumboards. I sold my PDA2k because of it....I really enjoy using the keyboard on the Jas.

Dave

[Paragon]

well, for me the ideal is 256ROM /98 RAM


Bingo! I think that would hit the sweet spot on this device perfectly.

It seems Dell has already figured part of that out.

[ctitanic]

well, for me the ideal is 256ROM /98 RAM


Bingo! I think that would hit the sweet spot on this device perfectly.

It seems Dell has already figured part of that out.

Exactly, that´s why I´m preparing myself for my next victim: x51v :D

[Paragon]

:lol:

[Jason Lee]

that's very interesting. both of these devices have 64mb of ram. both show only forty-some total...? that's not free, that's total, free and used. so what is happening to that other 15-20mb or ram? i would guess that the os is blocking it for it's own use but it's funny that it just doesn't show up as a used part of the total. it is totally hidden. maybe it is reserved for file swap/ram disk to ease the read/write to the rom?

[ctitanic]

that's very interesting. both of these devices have 64mb of ram. both show only forty-some total...? that's not free, that's total, free and used. so what is happening to that other 15-20mb or ram? i would guess that the os is blocking it for it's own use but it's funny that it just doesn't show up as a used part of the total. it is totally hidden. maybe it is reserved for file swap/ram disk to ease the read/write to the rom?

Probably... That's not clear to me yet.

[DaleReeck]

They lose the "phone contingent" of users due to the size.


Throws up hands and waves a big white flag....

That is why they designed the Wizard!!! :frusty: :frusty:
Well sure, the Wizard proves that all those features can be packaged in a smaller "phone", which just makes the Universal look that more ridiculous as a phone and under powered as a laptop.
I just think they may have missed the market.

Mark

Have you used the keyboard?
I wonder how it stacks up. I wonder if it's neither as fast as a full bt keyboard, or as small as a RIM type keyboard, and kind of neither here nor there. how would one type on it? with thumbs or touch typing?

It's the first integrated PDA keyboard that was actually comfortable and usable and not some gimmick. You could touch type with it.

Also, for those who think HTC "missed the market", Expansys has sold 800 of them in less than a week (at prices ranging from $500-$1000 depending on whether you got a contract or not) and it is on backorder. So, somebody is buying them :D

[Jason Lee]

Oh, another important question for anyone who has WM 5.0. Does the default messaging/inbox app support seperate authentication credintials for smtp??
Like the screens in this thread??

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40369&amp;highlight=smtp+server

I hope so, i need it at work.. bad. :(

[Paragon]

Oh, another important question for anyone who has WM 5.0. Does the default messaging/inbox app support seperate authentication credintials for smtp??
Like the screens in this thread??

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=40369&amp;highlight=smtp+server

I hope so, i need it at work.. bad. :(

Yes, pretty much the same screens to.

[Jason Lee]

Yes, pretty much the same screens to.

WOOT!! thanks much. One more excuse to get a new phone. ;) thanks Dave! :mrgreen: *does the new pocket pc phone happy dance*

[Paragon]

WOOT!! thanks much. One more excuse to get a new phone. ;)

If that's all it took, you could have gotten an h6315. 8O :alfdance: :alfdance:

[whydidnt]

I posted my experiences with this device in another thread, but this one seems more active so I'll summarize.

Anyonoe complaining about the size of the device just "Doesn't get it". The size is necessary to make the absolutely fabulous keyboard work. I agree with Paragon - it's very easy and fast to use. If having a physical keyboard isn't important to you then don't get this device, as it adds to the size. However, it's the best PDA keyboard I ever used.

The memory issue is a real concern - You have less than 30 MB of free RAM after a hard reset - Something is eating 16 MB's right off the start and files loaded as part of the boot sequence take up about another 20. It seems when you sync many contacts, tasks and calendar items those are all copied into RAM as well at bootup, since after my first sync - not installing any other programs, 2 more MB of RAM disappeared!! I often had problems with GPS on my HX4700 if less than 25 MB of RAM was available - think it's going to be an issue here as well, sigh.

The screen is awesome - nice, crisp and bright. The device is a little sluggish compared to the HX4700 I have been using - attribute that to reading everything from ROM instead of RAM and a slower processor, no graphics processer, etc.

Now my biggest gripe is I am having issues with Appointment reminders not appearing - COME ON MS - You'd think by the 5th revision of a an OS reminders would work! :evil: Anyone else that has one, try this and tell me if it's me or the device - Set an appointment with a reminder for short time from now. Then reset the device. After a reset, appointment reminders don't seem to work until AFTER you run the calendar application. At least for me that is the case. The reminder is there - after doing a sync with my desktop - my desktop popped a reminder that the appointment was OVERDUE, but the device still hasn't told me about it. :roll:

As a phone, this is a great PDA. :wink: I've been able to browse on Cingulars GPRS network at about 30 kbps - but the phone does not do a very good job of holding the phone signal in my house. Often searching for a signal. Not sure if it's a 1900 vs. 850 thing, just know previous phones have picked up a couple bars without too much issue.

[aNiMeMaN14]

The picture I like most is this one

http://www.devans.ca/jas49.jpg

This device is perfect for hiding your face if you are caught in a compromised place ;)

Everytime I see it I like more my mpx220 :D

This thing is huge for a phone!

LMAO he looks like a jerk!!! can we say BT headset?!?

[Paragon]

Dude, that's my son! I don't think he likes it when people call him a jerk. I know he hates it when I do.;) :D

[Jonathon Watkins]

:mrgreen: *does the new pocket pc phone happy dance*

It's a beautiful image. Thank s for sharing it with us! :lol:

[Marcel_Proust]

Have you used the keyboard?
I wonder how it stacks up. I wonder if it's neither as fast as a full bt keyboard, or as small as a RIM type keyboard, and kind of neither here nor there. how would one type on it? with thumbs or touch typing?

The keyboard is too small to touch type, I think. It is much bigger than a thumboard. Sitting on a desk I have been using 2-3 fingers on each hand. Not much different from the way I normally type. Standing, it is pretty well balanced and is very easy to type with thumbs. In total honesty, in a day and a half of use I don't think I have hit one wrong key because of the keys being to small or close together. I can't type a complete sentence on a normal thumboard without hitting wrong keys. There are a good number of shortcut keys on it, so you seldom need to use the stylus. Data entry on this device is supurb, in my mind. As I said before, after the screen, the keyboard is its biggest feature.....that is why it is a bit bigger than most other PDAs. I absolutely hated thumboards. I sold my PDA2k because of it....I really enjoy using the keyboard on the Jas.

Dave

interesting - as a fellow Ontarian - do you know who's going to carry this device?

[Jonathon Watkins]

Dude, that's my son!

So, Dave the Jedi Master really IS the daddy! :lol:

(Insert usual Star Wars reference here). :wink:

[Paragon]

interesting - as a fellow Ontarian - do you know who's going to carry this device?

If you don't want to get one from David Weiniger in the US, try these guys:
http://www.superiorgadgets.com/

I have dealt with them and they are quite good.

Dave

[Paragon]

Dude, that's my son!

So, Dave the Jedi Master really IS the daddy! :lol:

(Insert usual Star Wars reference here). :wink:

Ha! Good one, Jonathon. :-)

[k_kirk]

Dude, that's my son! I don't think he likes it when people call him a jerk. I know he hates it when I do.;) :D

Any kid obedient enough to let his pa put up a photo of his on the net so people can slander him is a good kid. You've done well raising him Paragon. Good on you!

Side note, any one know why HTC dropped the VGA out notion? Even their marketing video on the net shows the busy businessman visiting clients and making presentations off the device. Given the low memory situation saving a large powerpoint file on internal memory so you can use a SDIO based VGA out product is going to be real tough... Wish they thought about this a little better.

On this note, anyone know if the USB host can support a USB thumbdrive? Maybe thats the answer to my question...

[Paragon]

Dude, that's my son! I don't think he likes it when people call him a jerk. I know he hates it when I do.;) :D

Any kid obedient enough to let his pa put up a photo of his on the net so people can slander him is a good kid. You've done well raising him Paragon. Good on you!...........................On this note, anyone know if the USB host can support a USB thumbdrive? Maybe thats the answer to my question...

Sorry, I don't know about the USB . I had to send the device on to a buyer much earlier than we had planned. I never got into a lot of that before hand. I was going to do it this weekend.

As for my son....he is a great kid. He made Cheif Warrant Officer in Air Cadets last year. The highest rank a cadet can get. High enough that it got him a scholarship to get his pilots licence this summer. Imagine being 18 and spending 7 weeks of your summer flying airplanes, and in the end having Chris Hatfield a celebrated Canadian Astronaut pin your wings on you.....jerk is never a word I would use to describe my first born. ;)

Dave

[k_kirk]

As for my son....he is a great kid. He made Cheif Warrant Officer in Air Cadets last year. The highest rank a cadet can get. High enough that it got him a scholarship to get his pilots licence this summer. Imagine being 18 and spending 7 weeks of your summer flying airplanes, and in the end having Chris Hatfield a celebrated Canadian Astronaut pin your wings on you.....jerk is never a word I would use to describe my first born. ;)

Dave
Amazing!!! You must be the proudest dad! I know I would be. Well done to both of you.

[Paragon]

Thank man!

[Jason Lee]

WOOT!! thanks much. One more excuse to get a new phone. ;)

If that's all it took, you could have gotten an h6315. 8O :alfdance: :alfdance:

No, but the more excuses i have to get a new phone the sooner i can convince the powers-that-be i need one. ;) I think the biggest so far is that she gets my old one. :lol:

[Jason Lee]

:mrgreen: *does the new pocket pc phone happy dance*

It's a beautiful image. Thank s for sharing it with us! :lol:

Thank you, Thank you! I'm here all week. :splat:

[Jonathon Watkins]

Thank you, Thank you! I'm here all week. :splat:

But it seems like so much longer than tha.! Boom, boom. :devilboy:

[MitchellO]

http://www.devans.ca/jas31.jpg

Looks great. I'm just puzzled why it says HTC Innovation under the battery?

Anybody know the answer to this?

[Kadegboye]

Hi all,
This device has an array of impressive specifications with different theories as to what it was designed for. For me, the bricklike size which is big enough for hiding ones face when one has done something wrong is the final straw that broke the carmel's back. If I want to buy a laptop, I better do that. However, if in the future, the same device becomes available in a smaller size, I will be the first to buy it.
Kay.

[whydidnt]

Side note, any one know why HTC dropped the VGA out notion? Even their marketing video on the net shows the busy businessman visiting clients and making presentations off the device. Given the low memory situation saving a large powerpoint file on internal memory so you can use a SDIO based VGA out product is going to be real tough... Wish they thought about this a little better.

On this note, anyone know if the USB host can support a USB thumbdrive? Maybe thats the answer to my question...

I don't know about the VGA out, but I don't think it sports a USB host at this point in time. It's got a mini-usb plug, I tried using it with my thumb drive and an adapter, and no go - It doesn't appear to supply power to the port anyway.

[Jason Lee]

darn... :cry:

[gibson042]

You want small you get the Wizard. You want a mini laptop that fits in your pocket, or something more like an HPC you get the Universal.......That way you don't miss the market. ;)
You want small (and/or thin) and VGA resolution? Compromise now and upgrade next year. And comfort yourself with the fact that not too long ago, a Universal-size phone would have been considered tiny. ;)

[orinoco]

Folks:

Many years ago, I was a diehard Jornada 720 user, loved the form factor, and hated to give it up when I got my first Pocket PC Phone (HTC 9500) in 2002. Since then, I upgraded to the XDA II, the PDA2k and (for a very brief while) the JAM. The Universal brings me back to the form factor that I truly find useful (great screen and keyboard) for what I use this device for (work mostly).

However, make no mistake, it is big, not as big as my old Jornada 720, but way bigger than the JAM and any phone-size device out there; so it ain't for everyone, but it does have its place for those like me.

I am still getting used to the OS, as WIndows Mobile 5 is great, but it seems to me there are a few things that were done easier (with lesser screen taps) than with 2003 SE. I am making now a list of things that were easier to do in 2003 and will post later.

All in all, I am very happy with the JASJAR, long live the clamshell form factor !!!

Cheers,

Fernando

[Jonathon Watkins]

I am making now a list of things that were easier to do in 2003 and will post later.

Sounds interesting. Please do that. :)

....long live the clamshell form factor !!!

Oh yes indeed! :D