HP Mobile Messenger Shows Up On HP's Dutch Site

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/nl/nl/ho/WF06b/22797-22801-22801-22801-298363-12157868-39256091.html">http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/nl/nl/ho/WF06b/22797-22801-22801-22801-298363-12157868-39256091.html</a><br /><br />HP has put the new Mobile Messenger on their Dutch site. I can't tell from the specs if this has WiFi or not.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ekkie_hp6515.jpg" /><br /><br /><b><span style="color:red">Update:</span></b> HP Africa has <a href="http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/aa/en/sm/WF06a/7498257-7498259-7498259-7498259-7498261-12158058.html">posted the same info in English</a>.

[DaleReeck]

If its the 6500, then supposedly not. Its the 6700 that's going to have WiFi (again, supposedly).

[ADBrown]

No, no WiFi, but you missed a piece of information. The 6500 was supposed to run on a 520 MHz processor. Now it's been bumped down to 312 MHz.

[szamot]

Sad speed, sad feature sheet, sad screen, looks like another wonder from the great minds at HP. So while the rest of the world is getting MDA IV North America is getting its severely retarded cousin the new HP 6500 or as I would call it a step above Etch-a-sketch. Sad, sad, sad.

[MS Mobiles]

Sad speed, sad feature sheet, sad screen, looks like another wonder from the great minds at HP. So while the rest of the world is getting MDA IV North America is getting its severely retarded cousin the new HP 6500 or as I would call it a step above Etch-a-sketch. Sad, sad, sad.

If this iPAQ Mobile Messenger would cost the same as HTC Magician (MDA Compact, i-mate JAM, etc) = be cheap - then it would make sense, but with low resolution and speed, and high price (700 Euro) this phone will hardly be a success....

[Chris Spera]

I've been thinking about this device a lot recently. I think many of us are missing the point. I truly believe that this device is NOT intended to compete with Palms; but with Blackberries instead.

Look at the form factor and screen. They're very similar is size and resolution. The device isn't meant to be a poweruser device. Its meant for the masses that want Blackberry styled e-mail, but don't want BlackberryOS.

This device is rumored to run WM2005, which is supposed to have push e-mail built in. Brighthand (http://www.brighthand.com/article/Push_Email_May_Be_Delaying_Magneto?site=PPC) ran a piece today that indicates that MS may be holding it up to see if Visto Corporation will file a patent infringment lawsuite against Smartner and their Duality Push eMail System. While I am certain the WM2005 will have push email, MS may have to cut some sort of deal with Visto before it releases the OS, or else face yet ANOTHER lawsuite.

If the hx6500 does well, then the hx6700 may NOT. The 6700 will likely have the higher end processor and features (wi-fi and better camera, among others). Its going to be more expensive. the 6315 is NOT selling well for T-Mobile, so I think many potential high-end users that may be interested in this device (because they want to dump their BB, but NOT the BB form factor) are in wait-and-see mode waiting on sales numbers and initial reviews.

[Birdman]

Well said. I am a long time user of a PPCPE device and I would love to switch to a BB but I do not want to give up some of the functionality I get with the PPC. (AvantGo, ewallet, ListPro, etc.). While I would like to have Wi-Fi (in order to continue to benefit from the PPC functionality), this device and form factor would be good for me. BB like functionality, while still running PPC OS.

[powder2000]

Chris, if you're right, then why would something that is supposed to compete with a relatively cheap blackberry cost so much? If the price is indeed $700 Euros, that is a hell of a lot more than most people are willing to pay.

[DaleReeck]

Actually, I thought the 6315 sold, at least initially, very well for T-Mobile.

[Chris Spera]

Chris, if you're right, then why would something that is supposed to compete with a relatively cheap blackberry cost so much? If the price is indeed $700 Euros, that is a h-ll of a lot more than most people are willing to pay.

I'm not certain the pricing has been finalized. Everything up to now, I think, is speculative. While 700Euros probably works out to over $800US, my guess is that the subsidized price will be in the $499US range. The Treo650 is currently listed at $449.99 on cingular, while the SX66 is $549.99. I would assume this to be priced in the same ballpark; but don't quote me. I don't have any inside information.

[Chris Spera]

Actually, I thought the 6315 sold, at least initially, very well for T-Mobile.

I think you're right; but I don't know of anyone that's hot for it now. I think the device is just about dead. Too bad, too; because I know HP had plans for it to go with other carriers besides T-Mo.

[MS Mobiles]

I'm not certain the pricing has been finalized. Everything up to now, I think, is speculative. While 700Euros probably works out to over $800US, my guess is that the subsidized price will be in the $499US range.

That's true that prices in USA are lower than in EU but 700 Euro price is not speculative: at 3GSM World Congress I was interviewing representative of HP (from HP EU, not HP USA though), who was showing me also working HP iPAQ Mobile Messenger and you can even listen to it here (http://x.msmobiles.com/portal/podcasts/msmobiles_com_45.mp3) (a MP3 file with Podcast with this audio interview).

So conclusion is that for EU the price will ineed be around 700 Euro but for USA could be a bit smaller than that. Good rule of thumb would be that HP iPAQ Mobile Messenger will cost in USA the same as HP iPAQ h6315 costs (without contract).

[Chris Spera]

@MS Mobiles:

I agree. I think you're most likely correct; unless you mean that the subsidized price for the 6515 (i.e. cost WITH a contract) will be the same as the 6315 WITHOUT a contract.

T-Mo has the 6315 at $499.99 with a 2 year contract. My guess is that the 6515's subsidized cost will be on par with that: $499 - $599 with a 2 year contract. BUT, I'm guessing...

[Quteqqy]

As a Dutchman I can be of service here. The specs say that it has bluetooth as a wireless function only. No mention of wifi on the whole page.

BTW: HP hasn't come up with truly great devices since their introduction of the Ipaq 3970, once the first Xscale PPC, remember. It is the Qteqs and Imates that are on top now. Great quality/price!

(But that is just my (socalled neophyte 8) ) opinion in case one is offended by this bold statement.)

[JvanEkris]

I can confirm that it has no WiFi. A friend of mine reviewed it for the largest Dutch newspaper (is this becomming a Dutch device???) and he checked for me. It will be presented to the dutch audience saturday over a week (April 16th) on our Mobility Event.

Jaap

[arnage2]

o man that Hp is hot. i wish nextel was going to carry it.

[seaflipper]

This device is rumored to run WM2005, which is supposed to have push e-mail built in. Brighthand (http://www.brighthand.com/article/Push_Email_May_Be_Delaying_Magneto?site=PPC) ran a piece today that indicates that MS may be holding it up to see if Visto Corporation will file a patent infringment lawsuite against Smartner and their Duality Push eMail System. While I am certain the WM2005 will have push email, MS may have to cut some sort of deal with Visto before it releases the OS, or else face yet ANOTHER lawsuite.

It's not running 2005, it's running 2003SE. At least according to the user's manual I am looking at.

[Chris Spera]

I saw that document. I know you're right. I'm not trying to spread inaccuracies. I'm just relaying some news I saw on Brighthand. It will be interesting to see what is released here in the States, if anything at all, later this month.

[Jonathon Watkins]

As a Dutchman I can be of service here.


Dank U. (And welcome) :D

(But that is just my (socalled neophyte 8) ) opinion in case one is offended by this bold statement.)

Then post some more and get a new title then. :wink:

[iPAQ_ace]

And if you want to see what HP has posted in Dutch in English, take a look here (http://www.ipaqabilities.com/iaforums/viewtopic.php?t=606) to see what we posted. We received word that its been posted on HP Africa's website in English.

[seaflipper]

I saw that document. I know you're right. I'm not trying to spread inaccuracies. I'm just relaying some news I saw on Brighthand. It will be interesting to see what is released here in the States, if anything at all, later this month.

Chris,

I think that if it did come with WM2005, the release date would be sometime in August or later, as that is the supposed approx release date for 2005. Considering that we are now only seeing leaked (and beta) versions of 2005 out there, it's just way to early for a device coming out in the next few weeks to have 2005 on it.

And, I think the reason all the docs got released on the FCC site after 3/31 is because the release of this device is imminent.

My .02

[bnycastro]

question isn't QVGA 240 x 320 resolution? I thought this device would be having 240 x 240? On the spec sheet it has 3.0" transflective TFT QVGA, 64K colours, LED backlight bigger than an imate JAM's screen (2.8")

[sbl]

Personally, I am going to purchase at least one of these once they get out.

Reason? It has virtually everything I need for an in-car PDA!

I don't want to use it as a phone. I'm going to place it on the dashboard. GPS navigation with TomTom-built in, email synchronization with Exchange, and a thumb keyboard if I want to write a quick reply at a red traffic light... :-) Right now I use TomTom + a bluetooth GPS = many cables and lots of stuff on the dashboard. This device will make a huge difference, at least for me.

[Edgar_]

$499 is reasonable for what its providing.

The Avg BB is $299 retail - discounted many places to less than that like $200 or so w/ 2 yr voice and data plan contract - with a $49.99 monthly data charge + your voice plan ($5 discount on voice if you have BB data) - I think it has to be $39.99 minimum to get the discount. Oh and thats Blackberry data only - non-BB wap browsing using a third party browser can increase costs

I have a unlimited cingular data + 500 minute voice + 100 SMS and Im only $60 a month. And my plan is rollover minutes, 200 extra minutes for life, free nights and weekends. So I am quite happy with that.

The PPC does 10x what a BB does. More flexibility and the GPS builtin. Buy a low end GPS only device for $200 or a tomtom BT GPS and a PPC and you are well over $499. Although I understand you only get one map for tomtom with the device - major metro area - so you will need to pay something more to get your complete nation/continent maps.

Yea VGA is nice but geez. You have weight, form factor and price/cost to maufacture to balance. I'll use this first as a phone, second as a GPS and third as a PPC. Ewallet, journal bar (weather basic news) avantgo email (with clearvue or softmaker) and Pocket Informant are my basic apps, rest is gravy.

If it doesnt have all the problems of the 6315 or the MPX220 I think this system will shine. I've had a BB now for 7 years. The technology has barely crawled. Sure some new form factors but their implementation of MAPI causes calendar synch problems, their BES server is a kludge, kludgy/propritary data transfer implementations and they dont seem to care about moving to newer cross platform implementation. They've had 8+ years to innovate, and they haven't. Now with Exchange 2003 and things like Goodlink at cheaper costs and wider platform availability, they'll be losing market share rapidly.

My penny's worth - flame away.

[yankeejeep]

question isn't QVGA 240 x 320 resolution? I thought this device would be having 240 x 240?

With WM2003SE, the square screen will be supported. If QVGA, then 240x240 makes sense. If VGA, it would effectively be able to display 480x480. I would imagine, like most other connection-oriented devices, the QVGA screen will be the option because it consumes less power (and is less expensive) since only 1/4 the pixels are addressed when compared to a VGA display.

[Dalantech]

That's over $900 USD. Currenlty the exchange rate is only .77 Euro to the dollar -and I shold know. I work in Italy for Verizon and get paid in USD. The Euro rate hurts! :(

[Quteqqy]

Not for Europeans, it does. America is becoming sooooo cheap. :D

[Dalantech]

Becoming?! :)