hx2750 vs Axim x50v vs ???

[element]

I am posting this in hopes I'll get legitimate feedback on the purchase or not of a new PDA. I've been dealing with the warranty service at CUSA (TAP) for the crushed screen of my iPAQ 4155. I've since received 4 unsatisfactory referbs and finally just had them replace my original screen only to have my sync not work properly.

So, in light of this, I now have two options:

1) keep my original 4155 with the new screen and deal with issues the of the problematic sync

or

2) purchase a new PDA

As I've been totally satisfied with the 4155, I've not at all been researching the what has been coming out on the market lately. I've noticed the hx2750 and have read some good reviews on it. But then the Axim x50v has also some good features. They both appear to have their own strengths and weaknesses.

Okay, to the question at hand, for those of you that have owned the 4155 and have loved it as I, which of my 2 scenarios above has been the right move for you? Or, if you have another suggestion on PDA that would come even close to the 4155, please advise.

TIA

[kozak]

I have an Axim X50v and here's my synopsis:

1. Games run great, especially PocketSNES (with Sound).
2. Windows Media Player 10 is exactly what I've been waiting for...
3. WiFi works flawlessly for me.
4. Bluetooth (with the new 1.6 driver found on web) works great.
5. HP Bluetooth Stereo Headphones work great with X50v, even all the buttons work (Next/Previous/Pause/Play)
6. The LOCK slider is awesome and missing from many PDAs
7. Screen is amazing, once you've seen VGA, you'll never go back.
8. Battery live lacking, but satisfactory for me.
9. Can be gotten for under $400 (you won't find any other PDA with so many features at such a low price).

Note... The battery life is not the best, but the turn off LCD feature in WMP 10 lets you completely turn off the LCD and still play music and have Bluetooth on. I start WMP 10, connect my Bluetooth Headphones, start my music, turn off the LCD (with a mapped hardware button), then lock the device. I can then throw it into my pocket and not worry about pressing any buttons and use my headphones to play/pause and change tracks and volume. And the battery life is much improved this way.

[ADBrown]

I actually have both the X50v and the 2750 at the moment. The X50v has a great screen, great design, and several features that most models don't have: a 3D accelerator/video decoder chip, VGA out, and a lock switch. Unfortunately, the battery life suffers, and there's a small speed hit due to VGA. The 2750 has excellent battery life, a fingerprint reader, and is very fast. It's also thicker and feels a bit bulky compared to the X50v, has a poor design, and lacks a VGA screen. Personally, I use the X50v. The biggest failing, the battery life, can be dealt with either with spare batteries, an extended battery, or just adjusting how you use the device.

[fivepetpalace]

Element,

I feel your pain 0X

I loved my 4155, and still do...about 2 weeks ago, I cracked the touchscreen. Luckily it didn't hurt the lcd, and ppctechs.com was able to fix it 8) .

But in the meantime I purchased an x50v. I'm still deciding if I'm going to keep the x50v. The x50v is smaller than what I expected, but still feels much larger in your jacket pocket than the 4155, but then again, what wouldn't. The x50v at first didn't seem as "snappy" as the 4155, I'm sure this is due to the much better graphics.

I've got my hp bt headphones working great with the x50v, so no loss there.

My only issues now are size, and the sensitivity of the touchscreen on the x50v. It just isn't as sensitive as the 4155.

I'm sure if the x50v was my first PPC I would think it the greatest one ever.

Also, I keep saying I'm deciding, but I seem to be using the x50v and not the 4155 ??? I guess I'm just reluctant to give up my new toy.

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[ADBrown]

Try applying the A02 ROM update. It is supposed to improve touchscreen sensitivity, amongst a bunch of other things. I haven't tried it yet--haven't got the time, and my touchscreen works fine.

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I've had every HP PDA they've released (and one they didn't release). I've been pretty supportive of HP and have liked their customer service. That being said, I was pretty freaked out by the new 4700 that I bought. That mouse pad sucks. they should have designed something like the analog joystick on the new PSP. control a mouse with that, and we'd have been in heaven.

liked the form factor, thought that it needed more ram, you know the regular stuff...."gee, why didn't they do this?" anyway, I decided to get the Dell 50V and try it out. i had a coupon and some other special deal, and I ended up getting it for about $275. I absolutely love it. By far and away the best device I've ever had. little slower because of the VGA graphics, but not a big deal. Plays movies better than any other PDA, period! Great wifi, bluetooth is rock solid. LOVE the button lock; my battery is never unexpectedly dead, because of brushing against it in a pocket, etc. Every PDA should have one of these. One complaint, is "Why didn't they add more memory?" to add 256mb of ram and 256mb of rom wouldn't have been that difficult, and so they raise the price a bit, they had a lot of room in that price. How many of you would have paid top dollar for that much RAM? probably a lot more than will even respond.

I do like the two slots, very useful. My microdrive sucks power, but then what do you want....it's a freakin HDD. You spin a platter at 4200 rpm and it's gonna take some juice. All in all A+++ to Dell, they really did a bangup job on this one. I would like to see some pictures of the unit with the extended battery, so if anyone's got some, please post a link.

[Kowalski]

4155 is a killer device and if you buy an axim or another device with two slots, you will surely miss the great form factor of 4155.

will u use the device for gaming? and do you need CF slot? if not, then stick with 4155 and wait for single slot VGA devices

[ADBrown]

It'll probably be quite a long wait for single-slot VGA devices. For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery. For another, VGA is by definition high-end, and high-end is pretty much exclusively dual-slot.

[shawnc]

It'll probably be quite a long wait for single-slot VGA devices. For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery. For another, VGA is by definition high-end, and high-end is pretty much exclusively dual-slot.

I hope you're wrong AD, though I've read this on a few occassions. PPC manufacturers should not perceive single-slot and high-end as mutually exclusive. I would consider my 4150, with VGA (and built-in wifi and BT) as high-end and would sap it up in a heartbeat.

I'm holding out hope that the PPC manufacturers will soon come to their senses.

I think a bigger problem may be that SD is a dying format. The only reason Sandisk hasn't mass-produced 2G SD cards by now is that they've obviously diverted resources to other even smaller formats. My guess is they see this minuturization as necessary to tap into the much larger cell phone market. The only thing that would stop me personally from buying a single-slot VGA device tomorrow if available is the lack of an affordable 2G SD card.

Having said all of that, I am getting tired of waiting and have become very tempted by the X50v.

[fivepetpalace]

For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery. For another, VGA is by definition high-end, and high-end is pretty much exclusively dual-slot.

Funny how the battery in my 4155 and x50v are exactly the same size :?

I would consider my 4150, with VGA (and built-in wifi and BT) as high-end and would sap it up in a heartbeat.

Well if you really like the form factor of the 4150, then you like I may question your purchase of an x50v, and wonder how they managed to pack all that power into the 4150

Michael

[Kowalski]

For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery.

i dont think this is the case, manifucturers dont need an excuse like this, and can make smaller products like jam

For another, VGA is by definition high-end, and high-end is pretty much exclusively dual-slot.

well this may be true, but think about this: high end means elegance and beauty. (ie motorola razor mobile phone, they managed to build a very thin device)

one and a half year ago, storage was expensive and high capacity cards were not affortable, thus using dual slot device was an advantage.
right now most devices have built in wifi and some have USB, plus storage is not expensive as it used to be. you can buy a GB card easly and 2GB SD cards are on the way

i would prefer a thinner device and give up CF slot

[ADBrown]

For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery. For another, VGA is by definition high-end, and high-end is pretty much exclusively dual-slot.

Funny how the battery in my 4155 and x50v are exactly the same size :?


True, but the X50v has the smallest battery of any VGA model (though not the shortest battery life). Besides which, the X50v's motherboard runs the entire length of the machine, unlike the 4150 whose motherboard (IIRC) has a cutout for the the battery. This would neccessitate additional thickness in order to have the same size battery.

[ADBrown]

For one thing, you need extra bulk to house the battery.

i dont think this is the case, manifucturers dont need an excuse like this, and can make smaller products like jam

Actually, the Jam is quite a bit thicker than the X50v.

one and a half year ago, storage was expensive and high capacity cards were not affortable, thus using dual slot device was an advantage.
right now most devices have built in wifi and some have USB, plus storage is not expensive as it used to be. you can buy a GB card easly and 2GB SD cards are on the way

At prices equivalent to a 4 GB CF card, or a 6 GB microdrive, yes.

i would prefer a thinner device and give up CF slot

Suit yourself, but design realities and product refresh cycles make it such that we probably won't see a single-slot VGA device for awhile.

[element]

Thanks everyone for the replies/suggestions. I do play games on this (not often mind you) so the primary purpose is a for applications (mysport training, agenda fusion, sprintdb, etc). High end gaming quality is not a big deal. Speed, however, is. I love how fast my 4155 is now. If the Dell is a little slower due to the VGA screen, perhaps my best bet is to go with the 2750. Now, having said that, working on a machine with higher resolution screen might be a bigger benefit than the extra boost in speed.

[Menneisyys]

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[jickbahtech]

Ok I'll jump in.
I just upgraded to a 2750, and am totally loving it.
I ran init13's GXMark, and just posted the fastest non-overclocked benchmark they've ever gotten (2735 vs the X30's 2500). The device is a little plain, but it grows on you, and I've always like the build quality of HP devices over Dell (in this case injection molded Magnesium and Rubber).
While it doesn't have a graphics processor, it kinda doesn't need one, and BetaPlayer is currently making mincemeat of "night of the living dead" (I love Creative Commons). GameBoy Advance games play at full speed with sound.

Built in Flip cover isn't bad, but I'll probably get a case. Which brings me to accessories. Cables and chargers will be compatible with your 4150. That's always kinda nice.

VGA wasn't really that big a deal for me, so I went with the most powerful (128MB RAM COME ON!!!!!!) QVGA I could get my hands on.

Hope that helps!

[ADBrown]

Just to clarify, the X50v is a bit slower than a non-VGA 624 MHz device. I don't know how it compares with 4150, since I've never had the latter.

Jick, I'm pretty certain the 2750's case is actually plastic, not magnesium.

[element]

I wasn't aware the docks and chargers were compatible. This is a BIG benefit as I'd rather not have to fork out another $100 for extra chargers, docs for work. Thanks for the notice.

Ok I'll jump in.
I just upgraded to a 2750, and am totally loving it.
I ran init13's GXMark, and just posted the fastest non-overclocked benchmark they've ever gotten (2735 vs the X30's 2500). The device is a little plain, but it grows on you, and I've always like the build quality of HP devices over Dell (in this case injection molded Magnesium and Rubber).
While it doesn't have a graphics processor, it kinda doesn't need one, and BetaPlayer is currently making mincemeat of "night of the living dead" (I love Creative Commons). GameBoy Advance games play at full speed with sound.

Built in Flip cover isn't bad, but I'll probably get a case. Which brings me to accessories. Cables and chargers will be compatible with your 4150. That's always kinda nice.

VGA wasn't really that big a deal for me, so I went with the most powerful (128MB RAM COME ON!!!!!!) QVGA I could get my hands on.

Hope that helps!

[ignar]

Actually, the Jam is quite a bit thicker than the X50v.


X50V is 0.66" thick and JAM is 0.71" thick. I wouldn't call 0.05" difference quite a bit. JAM feels a little thicker than it really is probably because of its small size though.

Just to clarify, the X50v is a bit slower than a non-VGA 624 MHz device. I don't know how it compares with 4150, since I've never had the latter.

Once I had iPaq 4150, 4700, Dell X50V, and JAM all at the same time. In terms of "perceived" speed, I'd rank them 4150, 4700, X50V, JAM from fastest to slowest.

[ADBrown]

X50V is 0.66" thick and JAM is 0.71" thick. I wouldn't call 0.05" difference quite a bit. JAM feels a little thicker than it really is probably because of its small size though.

The X50v is 0.63, not 0.66. Also, the Jam has a larger battery than the X50v because the Jam is a phone. Additional thickness is the easiest way to increase battery capacity, hence larger battery usually equals thicker machine. There are exceptions, but it's a rule of thumb kind of thing. It's one of the reasons there aren't any 0.5" thick PPC phones.

[ignar]

X50V is 0.66" thick and JAM is 0.71" thick. I wouldn't call 0.05" difference quite a bit. JAM feels a little thicker than it really is probably because of its small size though.

The X50v is 0.63, not 0.66.

Well, not to nitpick, but where did you get 0.63"? Official Dell site actually lists X50 series as 0.7" thick.

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/pda?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs

[jickbahtech]

Whoops!
I've been messing with 4700's at work so much I just sort of assumed the 2750 was Magnesium too.
Sorry bout that.
Also,
I don't think Cradles will be compatible, but cables and charges will be.
I stayed with iPaq mainly because I could still use my fold out keyboard and chargers, or else I probably would've gone X50v.

Really I'm glad I did. While VGA kicks @$$, 128MB RAM is the coolest thing I never knew I always needed.

[jngold_me]

Yeah, the 2750 is an awesome machine and it's amazing what an extra 64mb of pure "RAM" (not Filestore) can do for a device.

I too am a 4150 convert, which btw I still think was the best form factor for a PPC to date. While the 2750 is a bit bigger, the power of this device is too good to pass on.

[element]

Well, I decided to go with the 2750. Thanks all for the feedback.

Now I have another question! Why isn't anyone making cases for this bad-boy? Vaja doesn't have plans, PielFrama has one but, I like the Vaja. Anyone know of a decent case?

[surur]

I thought with the flip cover you could just use it naked? Thats how I used my Jornada for a year or so. The cover got scratched up, but the main body was generally OK.

Surur

[element]

I thought with the flip cover you could just use it naked? Thats how I used my Jornada for a year or so. The cover got scratched up, but the main body was generally OK.

Surur


I am currently using it naked right now. However, I was using the Vaja billfold for my 4155 and loved it. I want to get rid of carrying around a wallet and pda.

On a side-note, I had put my PDA on top of my car the other day and the wind was so bad, it blew it clean off (~4' drop). It landed sqaure on its back with NO scratches and continues to tick. (My luck with PDAs is horrible as you can tell.)

[jickbahtech]

The flip cover works alright.
I dont really like how it blocks the stylus when open, and I might clip it so I can access the buttons with the cover closed.

I'm pretty much just waiting for a flip case to come out that can handle an extended battery.
In the meantime, I'm still just using my old $9 case logic camera bag, so I can also keep some accessories with me.

[JPD6825]

Well, I decided to go with the 2750. Thanks all for the feedback.

Well, it's time to change your mind again. Buy an Axim X50v tonight for $339 at the Dell Outlet. Odds are you will LOVE it. If you don't like it - no big deal - you'll be able to sell it and recover every penny you invested.
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/handhelds?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

[element]

Well, I decided to go with the 2750. Thanks all for the feedback.

Well, it's time to change your mind again. Buy an Axim X50v tonight for $339 at the Dell Outlet. Odds are you will LOVE it. If you don't like it - no big deal - you'll be able to sell it and recover every penny you invested.
http://www1.us.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/handhelds?c=us&cs=22&l=en&s=dfh

Unfortunately, the warrantee I purchased only provided me a gift card to be use solely at the local CompUSA stores. That was another reason I went with the 2750, of those CUSA offered, it was the closest to what I needed.

Thanks again.

[Cybrid]

On a side-note, I had put my PDA on top of my car the other day and the wind was so bad, it blew it clean off (~4' drop). It landed sqaure on its back with NO scratches and continues to tick. (My luck with PDAs is horrible as you can tell.)Re:" (My luck with PDAs is horrible as you can tell.)"....
Is your luck with PDA's horrible or your PDA's luck with you...:)
You did drop it after all.