Brighthand Has Images Of HP Mobile Messenger

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://www.brighthand.com/article/Pictures_of_iPAQ_Mobile_Messenger_Leaked">http://www.brighthand.com/article/Pictures_of_iPAQ_Mobile_Messenger_Leaked</a><br /><br />Brighthand has obtained some images of the HP Mobile Messenger, also thought to be called the iPAQ hw6500, we <a href="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,37241">discussed yesterday</a>.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2005/20050203-hpmobilemessenger.jpg" /><br /><br />A perfect application of a square screened device, something Windows Mobile 2003SE is capable of. With the push email capability from Good Technology, this will be a serious threat to the RIM Blackberry.

[masaki]

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[thanos255]

A perfect application of a square screened device, something Windows Mobile 2003SE is capable of. With the push email capability from Good Technology, this will be a serious threat to the RIM Blackberry.



I am only hoping that GOOD has upgraded their software alot. It has alot of palm influence. It is obvious from anyone who has used it.

No groups for contacts etc.

Otherwise looks like a good device.

[posiedon7]

If this is the next generation 6000 series and HP fixed all the bugs from the 6315, then I can't wait. My 6315 will be a nice additon to my pocket pc museam/graveyard.

Hay chiuahuah!!! Muy Caliente!!!!

:devilboy:

I hope T-Mobile picks this baby up, otherwise Verizon here I come.....

[marcm]

*gasps* Square screen? This is a perfect implementation of the square screen, as it makes a perfect form factor for a cell phone. Blackberry killer? Yes! Maybe even a Treo killer! 8O

[powder2000]

After seeing the new deivices, the xda IV and the BenQ, this thing looks like another one of HP's designs of really unattractive pocket pcs. How's about outsourcing the design again HP, you sure are saving any money and passing that savings on to the consumer. Too me, this ppc is an ugly try at the treo 650 design.

[yslee]

This. Is. Not. Helping.

Man, I'm never going to get a PDA Phone at this rate.

[bdegroodt]

Huh. Curious why they'd choose to distribute GoodLink over the Blackberry client. If I understand properly, in order for a device to interface with Good's system, you need to have the Good software installed. Far more companies have BES licenses/installed than Good. Am I missing something? For an HP device, I think it's pretty damn good looking. It's no Apple, but it's a lot better than that beast of a device 6315.

[dbrahms]

with the unresolved problems of the 6300 why would anyone go for another cellular based ipaq ?

[KevinK]

I got sick of waiting and bought a Treo 650. Yes WM is better, but the Treo is already here! I couldn't wait another minute, and I'm happily using the unit all the time. Connectedness is absolutely awesome. I can see that I'll never buy an unconnected pda again. Too bad I just got an x50v my wife now uses for bubblets and solitaire. I love the unit, but it feels naked without a cellular antenna!

[questionlp]

I personally like the styling of the Mobile Messenger. It kind of reminds me of the Jornada a little bit. As far as a screen being square, that's not a problem for me either (since I'm currently using a PDA with a square screen anyway :)).

I do hope that they fix a fair number of problems that have been reported with the current 6300-series phone/PDA.

[surur]

I got sick of waiting and bought a Treo 650. Yes WM is better, but the Treo is already here! I couldn't wait another minute, and I'm happily using the unit all the time. Connectedness is absolutely awesome. I can see that I'll never buy an unconnected pda again. Too bad I just got an x50v my wife now uses for bubblets and solitaire. I love the unit, but it feels naked without a cellular antenna!

Unconnected PPC's are dead, as well as non-phone pocketpc's. It will take a year or two to stop thrashing, but the writing is on the wall.

Surur

[PdaAddict]

I still want the MDA IV that was announced yesterday by T Mobile. Does anyone know who the ODM is, HTC?

[szamot]

I will definitely pass on this sub standard PPC. Compared to MDA IV this thing is a dog not even worth looking at. Now what's with the 240x240 resolution, are we regressing or progressing here. It seems HP has figured out that when it comes to NA average is good and for as long as we are willing to accept it they will keep making it.

I don't understand how MDA is putting out 4th generation PPC Phone and HP can't put one out worth a dime. Dog, Dog, Dog. NEXT.

[felixdd]

Looks good so far: wifi and BT in a small smartphone factor. And a keyboard to boot. Styling's not bad either.

What's that slot on the right side? The slot on the top looks like it's for an SD card...what about the one under the keyboard?

[dorelse]

I will definitely pass on this sub standard PPC. Compared to MDA IV this thing is a dog not even worth looking at. Now what's with the 240x240 resolution, are we regressing or progressing here. It seems HP has figured out that when it comes to NA average is good and for as long as we are willing to accept it they will keep making it.

I don't understand how MDA is putting out 4th generation PPC Phone and HP can't put one out worth a dime. Dog, Dog, Dog. NEXT.

I guess it really depends on what you're looking for...I don't want the MDA IV. Too many breakage points, don't want to flip open the thing every time I want to dial with the keypad, etc.

I'd take this over the MDA IV in a heartbeat...but I hope they both sell like crazy!

[deemota]

I like it alot. Especially since it looks like it has holes on top for a screen cover. The only downside I see is that according to the picture, looks like a 64mb unit. I hope they release a 128mb version.

[Stephen Beesley]

I personally like the styling of the Mobile Messenger. It kind of reminds me of the Jornada a little bit.

For me this is definately the best looking implementation of a Pocket PC phone with keyboard (although the MDA IV looks very interesting...). The keyboard definately reminds me of the old Jornada accessory keyboard that I had for my 568 - very usable.

I tend to like a bigger screen because I use Caligrapher as my main input method, but this is still tempting if I ever do decide to go for the converged device solution

[sub_tex]

More pics here, including one of it in a guy's hand:

http://www.ipaqabilities.com/iaforums/viewtopic.php?t=521

Personally I think it reminds me too much of a Tungsten W and not so much a Treo. The Treo still is phone-ish. This not so much.

However, thos ebig blackberry phones don't look phone-ish either, so it may not be that big a deal.

The d-pad on that thing looks horrible though. And those keys don't look too friendly.

[yslee]

MiniSD? Hmm. So is this going to be a dual slot device with SD and MiniSD, or single slot with MiniSD only? I can't tell much from that photo.

[sripathi]

I am sick of waiting for a decent pocket pc cellphone with good set of features, price and without being tied up with any carrier and contracts. So, yesterday I went ahead and purchased Treo 650. This one looks very similar to Treo, but I am not sure how long I have to wait.

[pdagal]

I attended HP's Mobility Summit and played with the device yesterday in a meeting. It does NOT have WiFi. It does have a GPS! More details on our site.

Put this device in perspective: it isn't meant to compete with the MDA IV and other high end, large Pocket PC phones. This device is trying to be a BlackBerry killer (similar form factor and enhanced mail capabilities). It's a more pocketable messaging-oriented device. And it likely won't be very high priced (relative to the XDA III and other high end devices).

[surur]

Looks good so far: wifi and BT in a small smartphone factor. And a keyboard to boot. Styling's not bad either.


Apparently it has no wifi. It has GPS and tomtom software built-in, but EDGE, not wifi. May be a deal breaker to some.

http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Board=news&amp;Number=19052

Surur

[Typhoon]

240 x 240? Can anyone back up this claim? If so, that sucks. When I saw this, I was hoping for 320 x 320. And what do you guys think? Is the thumboard easily typable.

[thunderck]

As many said when 2003 SE came out with support for square displays.. Backberry's head much?? But RIM has shown grit as this argument was used when PE came out. We will see..

[Typhoon]

I actually don't mind the competition. MS Mobile PPC is a great OS (in my opinion), and has a lot of software support.

[Anjuan Simmons]

I pulled out my Audiovox PPC-6601 and compared it to the picture. Comparing the two is like comparing a BMW to a Honda. While each has merits, the Audiovox is far superior. It has a lot more screen real estate, and the keyboard makes this one look like a Chinese torure device. HP, I love ya, but try again.

[cdcooker]

From the picture with the guy hold it, this new HP is pretty big, definitely bigger than 650. If the dimension is shrunk by .5cm on W and H, it will be a lot better as a phone PDA.

It will be a deal breaker for a lot of people if it doesn't have integrated WiFi.

It does look pretty in my eyes though. It reminds me the shape of the iPaq 41xx series that they abandoned in last year, which is still the best looking PDA in my eyes, ever!

[jeasher]

Wow, T-Mo yesterday and HP today. I can't wait to see what tomorrow brings. You want to tell us anything Moto?

[yslee]

Eh, no wi-fi, but GPS? Oh dear, I'd rather have wi-fi than GPS, and neither for a lower price!

[Kursplat]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the upcoming Samsung i730. Did anyone here make it to CES and see this phone?

The GPS is nice, but I think I'd rather have the bigger screen with a hide-away keyboard.

[cuteseal]

Ooooops... I just bought a 6365 (6315) a couple of weeks ago... :D Oh well, time to hit ebay. :D


Oh why oh why didn't they put a 320x320 screen? Why do engineers / designers (especially HP) insist on putting out models with glaring deficiences, leaving you wanting more?

[gmontielh]

No Wi-Fi, a slower processor and maybe no VGA??? HP what are you thinking? I'll stick to my 4700 and probably switch to a phone with WM2003...

[Ed Hansberry]

I pulled out my Audiovox PPC-6601 and compared it to the picture. Comparing the two is like comparing a BMW to a Honda. While each has merits, the Audiovox is far superior. It has a lot more screen real estate, and the keyboard makes this one look like a Chinese torure device. HP, I love ya, but try again.
guys, this is not a power users device. It is first and foremost a phone with email capabilities and has other PPC goodness to boot. The square screen allows a small formfactor with a thumbboard. Look at the iPAQ 4000 that had a keyboard. that thing was HUGE! Even as much as I like the XDA III - (ok, LOVE! :-) ) I realize it is out of the mainstream users reach, in pricing, capabilities and bulk. It is a PDA with a phone on it. To win big, it needs to be a phone with some PDA included. :way to go:

[pdagal]

We went to CES and played with the i730 and shot three photos which are posted here: http://www.mobiletechreview.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Board=news&amp;Number=18744&amp;page=0&amp;view=collapsed&amp;sb=5&amp;o=&amp;fpart=1 . The i730 is considerably larger and is a CDMA phone rather than GSM which differentiates it from the Mobile Messenger. The Samsung doesn't have a camera, for those who care.

In terms of size, the Mobile Messenger is close to the size of the iPAQ 6315 (we compared them). However, the MM has a keyboard and snapping on the 6315's keyboard makes it considerably bigger than the MM.

Really, HP is targeting the BlackBerry and Treo market with the MM and they are not after the XDA III (Audiovox 6601), Samsung i730 and other larger and in some cases more powerful devices in terms of CPU speed and RAM. Since they plan to offer the MM and 6315 concurrently and have other PPC phones in the works, we may see a higher end iPAQ phone to compete with the big boys.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the upcoming Samsung i730. Did anyone here make it to CES and see this phone?

The GPS is nice, but I think I'd rather have the bigger screen with a hide-away keyboard.

[Deslock]

A perfect application of a square screened device, something Windows Mobile 2003SE is capable of.
Hmmm... a PPC with a square screen, no wifi, and only 56% the resolution of the Treo 650.... I'm a little surprise that you seem pleased with this design as I thought you'd previously criticized the Treo for not having wifi and said you preferred the 4:3 aspect ratio over square screens.

240x240? Bah.

[deemota]

This is what I hope will happen- there are 2 models coming. One with camera and one without. Maybe, the camera version won't have wifi and hopefully the one without the camera will have wifi. In which case, everyone will have an option. I for one would give up the camera in exchange for wifi.

Here's to hoping..... :D :D :D

[Wiggster]

Why do I get the feeling that if this was 480x480 (the only other square resolution supported by WM2003SE, by the way, 320x320 isn't in the cards), people would still complain.

Oh well, we've yet to get the perfect handheld yet. But I like it when companies start to try out different things in their market.

[pdagal]

But it's easy enough to add WiFi to the iPAQ via an SD WiFi card. There is no such card for the Treo, only the rather bulky Enfora sled that was announced around CES.


A perfect application of a square screened device, something Windows Mobile 2003SE is capable of.
Hmmm... a PPC with a square screen, no wifi, and only 56% the resolution of the Treo 650.... I'm a little surprise that you seem pleased with this design as I thought you'd previously criticized the Treo for not having wifi and said you preferred the 4:3 aspect ratio over square screens.

240x240? Bah.

[Stephen Beesley]

Hmm - but if it only has the MiniSD slot then what....

But it's easy enough to add WiFi to the iPAQ via an SD WiFi card. There is no such card for the Treo, only the rather bulky Enfora sled that was announced around CES.


A perfect application of a square screened device, something Windows Mobile 2003SE is capable of.
Hmmm... a PPC with a square screen, no wifi, and only 56% the resolution of the Treo 650.... I'm a little surprise that you seem pleased with this design as I thought you'd previously criticized the Treo for not having wifi and said you preferred the 4:3 aspect ratio over square screens.

240x240? Bah.

[pdagal]

It definitely has both an SD slot and a mini SD slot. Really-- I held it in my hands and played with the unit for 10 minutes. If you look at the leaked HP marketing images, you'll see both slots on the right side of the device.


Hmm - but if it only has the MiniSD slot then what....

[saru83]

its a nice device, but i heard that i wont include WLAN and thats too bad... my overall inpression is 80% , i will rather go for Benq or even the new Pocket pc phone killer MDA IV....

[Stephen Beesley]

It definitely has both an SD slot and a mini SD slot. Really-- I held it in my hands and played with the unit for 10 minutes. If you look at the leaked HP marketing images, you'll see both slots on the right side of the device.

Yep - plain as day! Don't know how i missed that ...


Hmm - but if it only has the MiniSD slot then what....

:oops: :oops:

[madbart]

The 4150 was the last decent unit that HP delivered to market.
All of the new models are dogs!

The O2 mini is now my device of choice with a wifi SD card with i recently traded my XDA II in on (i passed on the 4xxx series all together). There is no going back now. 0X

[Phoenix]

I have a hard time hearing people suggest that this isn't a power user's device. How could that be, and how exactly would anyone come to that conclusion? GSM/GPRS and EDGE, GPS, BT, 500+MHz proc, keyboard, 1.3mp camera, two memory card slots, and undoubtedly a lot of memory?

No, this is a power user's device. Without a doubt. This is not merely some little Blackberry replacement. That would be like saying we're going to replace a VW Bug with a decked-out Hummer. Blackberry couldn't hold a candle to this thing.

They should have included WiFi, though. Excluding it was not the right decision. Why can't they just include everything? GSM/GPRS/EDGE, GPS, BT, and WiFi? They could have. And they should have. It won't look right or feel comfortable to hold adding a WiFi SD card to it, with it sticking out on the side - which would be the case since that's where the SD card slot is. So apart from that (which isn't a good solution at all), what is the solution here?

I wonder about the square screen. Would programs be reconfigured properly going from a rectangular screen to a square one? Would movies look right or be excessively letterboxed? Not to mention, a VGA screen would have been a nice addition. We need to see more of those, and I think it's time we did.

And I don't quite understand the point of including a MiniSD slot. Why not just another full size SD slot? Wouldn't that make more sense? A Mini slot can only take a Mini card, but a full size SD slot, can take standard SD, standard MMC, MiniSD and RS-MMC (with their respective adaptors). Zodiac is the only one that got this right. I'd like to install an SD card that I would never remove to serve as primary memory expansion, and then have another standard SD slot that would allow me to pop in SD cards from other devices without having to remove my primary SD card.

I think if they changed those things, it would be great. But especially without WiFi, I won't be buying it.

[Deslock]

But it's easy enough to add WiFi to the iPAQ via an SD WiFi card. There is no such card for the Treo, only the rather bulky Enfora sled that was announced around CES.
wifi on Treo650 has been possible for a long time:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/print.asp?ID=7443&amp;s=1
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000880023893/

But I don't want that oversized SD card sticking out of my device, be it a Palm of PPC.

The screen is the real deal-breaker though... 240x240 (or even 320x320) just doesn't cut it. 480x480 would be OK, but the screen would still be too small. Ditch the thumboard, use a 480x640 screen that takes up most of the device's footprint, and add an on-screen number pad to the existing soft-input options (for dialing). Include wifi, BT, a GPU that can decode VGA DIVX, and 128MB RAM and every power user would buy it.

That should be possible in a 6-7 ounce package... that's a bit hefty for a phone nowadays, but we power users wouldn't have to carry two devices.

[Mr. PPC]

This device does look nice, but I beieve it is a bit late to market. Had this been available six months ago (12 at the most) it would have been a huge hit. My users (and others I know) would have taken this over the Blackberry straight away. Now, they are into the Smartphones - small and powerful.

I am not saying it won't sell, it will. It just won't be the Blackberry killer everyone thinks. Those of us who wanted a different solution (more powerful) than Blackberry have already gone out and done so. I have XDA II, XDA IIs, XPhone II (SP3i), SP3, Treo 600, and Symbian units running on our Pylon Anywhere solution. Doing things the Blackberry wishes it could do.

[Ed Hansberry]

But it's easy enough to add WiFi to the iPAQ via an SD WiFi card. There is no such card for the Treo, only the rather bulky Enfora sled that was announced around CES.
wifi on Treo650 has been possible for a long time:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/print.asp?ID=7443&amp;s=1
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000880023893/
1. 45 days is not "a long time" unless you are a house fly.
2. Those are stories to hacking the WiFi driver. Just how many Treo 650 owners go "Well, time to get a wiFi card for my Treo. I'll run down to CompUSA and get the card then go online and find a hacked driver. pa1mOne r0x0rz111111" :roll:

[riuster]

this is great..just when i was looking for a PPC phone...in addition to my HP 4700...

ILL HAVE BOTH!!!!!

[Deslock]

But it's easy enough to add WiFi to the iPAQ via an SD WiFi card. There is no such card for the Treo, only the rather bulky Enfora sled that was announced around CES.
wifi on Treo650 has been possible for a long time:
http://www.palminfocenter.com/print.asp?ID=7443&amp;s=1
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000880023893/
1. 45 days is not "a long time" unless you are a house fly.
2. Those are stories to hacking the WiFi driver. Just how many Treo 650 owners go "Well, time to get a wiFi card for my Treo. I'll run down to CompUSA and get the card then go online and find a hacked driver. pa1mOne r0x0rz111111" :roll:
He said there's no such card for the Treo and the only option was the Enfora sled. I was just pointing out that there is another choice (and, IMHO, 50 days - almost 2 months - is a long time for something like this).

[Janak Parekh]

wifi on Treo650 has been possible for a long time
Only through a hack that has major side-effects. I wouldn't consider that a supported solution.

--janak

[Janak Parekh]

They should have included WiFi, though. Excluding it was not the right decision. Why can't they just include everything? GSM/GPRS/EDGE, GPS, BT, and WiFi? They could have. And they should have. It won't look right or feel comfortable to hold adding a WiFi SD card to it, with it sticking out on the side - which would be the case since that's where the SD card slot is. So apart from that (which isn't a good solution at all), what is the solution here?
Not to get the device if you need WiFi? ;)

Having owned an i700, I can safely say that using SDIO WiFi cards on the side is a big pain. But the fact of the matter was that with the high-speed data on my i700, I found the WiFi less necessary. I'm guessing that may be HP's thought process -- or maybe it was a compromise for size and battery life purposes.

And I don't quite understand the point of including a MiniSD slot. Why not just another full size SD slot? Wouldn't that make more sense?
Again, I'm guessing size.

I think if they changed those things, it would be great. But especially without WiFi, I won't be buying it.
Well, for someone like you or me there's the MDA IV... :P

--janak

[Deslock]

wifi on Treo650 has been possible for a long time
Only through a hack that has major side-effects. I wouldn't consider that a supported solution.Neither would I.

[yslee]

Phoenix, you know, not everything has to have everything, the kitchen sink, and a particle accelerator. I'd be happy with this if it was a) cheap enough, b) fast enough, c) came with minimum of 64mb of RAM (with no less than 50+mb usable).

Also, not everything has to be catered to you too. :wink:

[pdagal]

That Treo WiFi hack overwrites the PCS Vision file which is not good, and it requires a hard reset to get Vision back. I call that no solution at all unless you only need data when near an access point. And in that case, why but a Smartphone and pay for a wireless data plan? Just get a WiFi enabled PDA.

[Phoenix]

Phoenix, you know, not everything has to have everything, the kitchen sink, and a particle accelerator. I'd be happy with this if it was a) cheap enough, b) fast enough, c) came with minimum of 64mb of RAM (with no less than 50+mb usable).

Also, not everything has to be catered to you too. :wink:


Excuse me? When has this ever been my opinion? Is something taking place between you and I that I don't know about? Why are you so bent out of shape?

Do us all a favor, and go outside and get some fresh air. :roll:

Unbelievable.

[Pdaholic]

And in that case, why but a Smartphone and pay for a wireless data plan? Just get a WiFi enabled PDA.

Some of us would like a smartphone when we need a phone/have no WAP; conversely, some of us would like to use free wifi when we have it available, too.

I'm so frustrated with each PPC announcement. They all come so close to being perfect but fall short in one way or another. The bad thing is when the perfect PDA does come out, it'll be $1000, and I won't feel comfortable carrying it in my back pocket.

[Gremmie]

Unconnected PPC's are dead, as well as non-phone pocketpc's. It will take a year or two to stop thrashing, but the writing is on the wall.

Surur

No, there are still severe problems with browser compatibility with mobile devices and secure websites. Also, current e-mail programs still cannot measure up. More importantly, the availability of any data services is still limited, let alone reliable data services. Calling non-internet PPC's is extremely pre-emptive.

[yslee]

No, there are still severe problems with browser compatibility with mobile devices and secure websites. Also, current e-mail programs still cannot measure up. More importantly, the availability of any data services is still limited, let alone reliable data services. Calling non-internet PPC's is extremely pre-emptive.

Or expensive data services. Everyone else on the other side of the pond will need a second mortgage to use wireless data services effectively.

That said, I think connected PDAs are the way to go, even though the take up rate will be slow.

On current email programs, having a sudden need to use SSL over IMAP for me has caused havoc with retriving email on the go.. talk about overly paranoid sysadmins!