Money 2005 For Pocket PC Released

[Ed Hansberry]

<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=10f833f0-a491-4abf-a183-43c363e3ce76&amp;DisplayLang=en">http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=10f833f0-a491-4abf-a183-43c363e3ce76&amp;DisplayLang=en</a><br /><br />Microsoft has released Microsoft Money 2005 for Pocket PC for use with their recently released Microsoft Money 2005 desktop personal financial management program. The link above will take you to the 1.4MB download for English devices. It is not yet at the normal <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/downloads/money.mspx">Money for Pocket PC site</a> - where you can still download the 2003 and 2004 versions. It requires a Pocket PC 2002 or 2003, 500KB of RAM and Money 2005 on the desktop, US, Canadian, UK and ROW versions only. <i>(What language is "ROW?")</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/hansberry/2004/20041130-money2005.gif" /><br /><br />It should work just fine with the Standard, Deluxe, Premium and Small Business editions.

[Mr. PPC]

Could ROW be... Rest Of World ?

[Mitch D]

It requires a Pocket PC 2002 or 2003, 500KB of RAM and Money 2005 on the desktop, US, Canadian, UK and ROW versions only. (What language is "ROW?")

I would guess ROW would mean Rest Of World? But that's just a guess on my behalf...

[JonnoB]

ROW is definatley rest of world, but it is not a language. English may be the default ROW language, but US and UK already cover that. I suppose that it could be English, but without US and UK specific currency?

[BrianCooksey]

Any idea what's new in this version?

[brianchris]

Ultimately great news, but I have a number of clients who have migrated to Microsoft's Smartphone platform and bemoan the lack of Money for that OS. I know this is PPC Thoughts, but anyone know if a Smartphone version is coming? TIA!

[mmidgley]

Is it still the same crippled version for the PocketPC? Like, only good for data entry and maybe an absolute balance?

m. (using Cash Organizer for years now)

[takotchi]

Garbage.

It is NOT VGA enhanced, it has NO new features, the only difference I see is that it has a new icon (which looks like crap because it's doubled up on my nice VGA screen). Oh, and it works with Money 2005. It took them this long to come up with this?

Anyway, it blows. :evil:

[dma1965]

Is it still the same crippled version for the PocketPC? Like, only good for data entry and maybe an absolute balance?

m. (using Cash Organizer for years now)

I too have been using Cash Organizer due to the almost amazing lameness of Money for the Pocket PC. What really boggles my mind is how the Microsoft version has not improved on even the most basic level, like being able to put more than 15 characters in the memo field. Cash organizer supports just as many characters as the desktop does, why not Pocket Money? Why is it that Cash Organizer seems to have no problem on the sync level as well. Microsoft hands out free software, but it is really worth even less than what you pay for it. What is even more amazing is when they start charging for once free software, like Pocket Streets, and it remains the same lame version as the free one. One would surmise that a company, like Microsoft, which has been really taking it in the teeth for some MAJOR screwups lately, would spend some of its billions to try and keep happy what remains of its users. But no, just more lameness, only with a new new name tagged onto it. :evil:

[looneytoone]

price, website, coupons for purchase and most importantly - can I sync it to MS Money on my computer?

Thanks in advance.

[MaximumPDA]

here is a link to Cash Organizer http://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php for the lazy or uninformed like myself as of 10 minutes ago.

I looked it up as i have not used it before or heard of it. It looks great, I know what im ordering tomorrow.

--Bill

[aquanaut]

:? Agree, it's just the same old program with a new logo. Still no multi-currency support :evil:

If you need this support and reliable syncs between desktop and ppc, then the only solution out there is Quicken for PocketPC. And it is worth the price.

Cheers

[Jonathon Watkins]

here is a link to Cash Organizer http://www.inesoft.com/eng/index.php for the lazy or uninformed like myself as of 10 minutes ago.

I looked it up as i have not used it before or heard of it. It looks great, I know what im ordering tomorrow.

--Bill

Ah, interesting. I see they also have a separate app to sync Cash Organiser with a desktop version of MS Money. Any comment from folks on how it works for them?

I am still on MS Money Business edition 2002, as they don't have a later UK Business version. :?

Has anyone tried syncing Cash Organiser with Money 2002?

[Darius Wey]

Anyone looking for a very decent money program that provides synchronisation capabilities with Money 2005 should be on the lookout for the new version of Spb Finance Money Edition. I'm currently beta-testing it for Spb, and I have to say that it's looking great. I've suggested a number of extra features that would be a great addition to the program, and thankfully, they've been implemented...so keep your eyes peeled for it. Some extra features, among other basic things, include:

• The ability to export files to Excel-friendly formats
• A new revamped today plugin
• .NET Passport support
• Improved UI updates
• Support for many versions of Money
• Multi-currency support

And much more... :D

[Jonathon Watkins]

Anyone looking for a very decent money program that provides synchronisation capabilities with Money 2005 should be on the lookout for the new version of Spb Finance Money Edition.

Ah, very good. I seem to remember looking at this previously and thinking that it did not sync with Money. As long as the new Spb Finance Money Edition supports Money business edition 2002, I' so there! 8)

I take it there are no release dates yet?

[Darius Wey]

Ah, very good. I seem to remember looking at this previously and thinking that it did not sync with Money. As long as the new Spb Finance Money Edition supports Money business edition 2002, I' so there! 8)

I take it there are no release dates yet?

Not yet. But as soon as Spb keeps me informed, I'll keep PPCT posted. ;)

[DaViD_BRaNDoN]

Do I have to uninstalled Money 2004 for PPC before installing Money 2005 for PPC? Will my current data remained if I install Money 2005 for PPC over Money 2004 for PPC? FYI, I'm not using any Money 2004/2005 for desktop PC so I have no backup data.

[Darius Wey]

Do I have to uninstalled Money 2004 for PPC before installing Money 2005 for PPC? Will my current data remained if I install Money 2005 for PPC over Money 2004 for PPC? FYI, I'm not using any Money 2004/2005 for desktop PC so I have no backup data.

I wouldn't want to make a guess on it updating fine without an uninstall, so I'd suggest you install the 2004 version before you install the 2005 version. This will help clear any data that may be lying around from the previous version.

With repsect to your Money data, it is stored via databases, so you can back up your database files using a backup program such as iPAQ Backup or Sprite Backup. I'm not sure if an installation will *clear* your data, but having a backup file on hand will ensure that if anything goes wrong, you can safely restore it to it's functional state.

[DaleReeck]

I have Cash Organizer and I like it. The author responds to questions and problems well. When he released an update of the MS Money Sync program for Money 2005, it had some problems downloading all the data from the desktop (it would skip certain transactions). It took a while and many emails, but he tracked it down and got it working.

It is also fast. I used MS Money and MS's PPC Money for 2003 a while back and I tried uploading all my Money transactions since 1990 (about 5500 transactions). It took a couple of minutes just to start up. I had to do the "last year's worth of transactions" thing. But with Cash Organizer and MoneySync, all 5500 transactions took up only 2MB of memory and synced and started up in a few seconds. You can browse transactions very quickly. Highly recommended.

[flooder]

Nothing new that I can see.

I only use mine for data entry when I am traveling so it will still meet my needs.

&lt;Rant>
M$ Money 2005 deployment team should be drawn and quartered. I have been a Money user for 5 or more versions. This deployment was a cluster. It totally messed up my file when it upgraded it. Lost all the beginning balances for accounts. Six weeks later their is a big update and the solution is to reconvert my file. (And I am supposed to know all the transactions I put in for six weeks??) Than a 3 month wait for the PPC companion piece!!!
&lt;Rant Off>

I'll still being going to Sam's next September to pick up Money and Streets &amp; Trips. Will I ever learn. Doubt it.

[flooder]

Do I have to uninstalled Money 2004 for PPC before installing Money 2005 for PPC? Will my current data remained if I install Money 2005 for PPC over Money 2004 for PPC? FYI, I'm not using any Money 2004/2005 for desktop PC so I have no backup data.

If you are not using the desktop version than I would do nothing. The only changes seem to be relative to the syncing with 2005 desktop. There were changes to the desktop database structure so the PPC version had to change as well.

[latinware]

MS Money for the PPC has been since their fisrts version a NONO pice of software. I do not understand a company like Microsoft why it has not been able to come out with something like or better than Cash Organizer, this software it's an example of a good designed software, you can do wahtever you want with Cash Organizer. A shame for Microsoft!!!

[dma1965]

Anyone looking for a very decent money program that provides synchronisation capabilities with Money 2005 should be on the lookout for the new version of Spb Finance Money Edition. I'm currently beta-testing it for Spb, and I have to say that it's looking great. I've suggested a number of extra features that would be a great addition to the program, and thankfully, they've been implemented...so keep your eyes peeled for it. Some extra features, among other basic things, include:

• The ability to export files to Excel-friendly formats
• A new revamped today plugin
• .NET Passport support
• Improved UI updates
• Support for many versions of Money
• Multi-currency support

And much more... :D

If it allows me to pay my bills directly from my handheld I will drop Cash Organizer in a second !
I have been praying for this feature forever !

[btorbik]

As lame as Pocket Money is, it does have one very nice feature. I can update my portfolio when I have an internet connection available, wireless or otherwise. It also allows for specific tracking of investments.

Does anyone know if SPB Finance, Cash Organizer, or any other program can do this? If so, it might be worth switching...

[Jacob]

Anyone looking for a very decent money program that provides synchronisation capabilities with Money 2005 should be on the lookout for the new version of Spb Finance Money Edition.

Have you had problems with the syncing with Money 2005?

Let's just say I've been thankful to have a backup of my money data file lately when syncing with their beta. It hasn't been pretty.

It does look like a great product - if I can get it to sync properly and reliably though.

[brian_r_baker]

One thing I would like to see on my PPC is the current month's budget. Does Cash Organizer/MoneySync do this?

[cholcomb]

Does any one know if you can finaly sync 2 PDA's to one money file with out it total screwing up your transactions? I was told by some one at Inesoft that Cash Organizer could do this but I would have to buy 2 copies of the software for a total of about $80.

I would definilty switch to Cash Organizer if I could use the same license on my PDA and my Wife's PDA. The software looks great and I wouldn't mind paying the high $40 price (for a pocket pc software app) if they would re think the licensing. I wouldn't even mind if they checked to make sure the PDA's where sync'ing to the same money file.

Inesoft are you reading this? Even Microsoft allows you to install MS Money on 3 computers. I run one copy on my laptop (for me) and one on my desktop (for my wife) using the same money file.

[Darius Wey]

Have you had problems with the syncing with Money 2005?

None whatsoever. It's working excellent at the moment. What problems have you been having? The new beta version is certainly a welcome update and fixes a few bugs here and there.

[mmidgley]

One thing I would like to see on my PPC is the current month's budget. Does Cash Organizer/MoneySync do this?

Cash Organizer does budgeting. I paid a fortune for Cash Organizer, but it was worth it because it did (for me) everything desktop MS Money did, and it did it fast with all my many accounts and thousands of transactions going back years. The author keeps the software updated. I've seen several of my suggestions implemented quickly. I've never had a data issue, through several new version installs and a new ppc device.

There must be an economic reason that MS does nothing with their PocketPC version of Money (but I can't imagine what it is).

m.

[ChristopherTD]

I have never used any previous version of Money for PPC, being a recent convert to Money.

I installed the PPC version just released and it is miminal to say the least. It doesn't even use the PPC Regional Settings so that all the dates are displayed in US (M/D/Y) format!

[DaViD_BRaNDoN]

I wouldn't want to make a guess on it updating fine without an uninstall, so I'd suggest you install the 2004 version before you install the 2005 version. This will help clear any data that may be lying around from the previous version.

With repsect to your Money data, it is stored via databases, so you can back up your database files using a backup program such as iPAQ Backup or Sprite Backup. I'm not sure if an installation will *clear* your data, but having a backup file on hand will ensure that if anything goes wrong, you can safely restore it to it's functional state.

I would prefer uninstalling Money 2004 and then installing Money 2005 as well. And yes, I'm using Sprite Backup 3.1.3 and it can backup Money 2004 databases. But I'm not sure if restoring the database is a good idea. There might be some database structure change, just like last time when the release Money 2004's new database structures.

[Darius Wey]

But I'm not sure if restoring the database is a good idea. There might be some database structure change, just like last time when the release Money 2004's new database structures.

The database structure has not changed since Money 2000. Open up Sprite Backup and navigate to "Other Databases". It's all there in black and white. :mrgreen:

[Jacob]

Have you had problems with the syncing with Money 2005?

None whatsoever. It's working excellent at the moment. What problems have you been having? The new beta version is certainly a welcome update and fixes a few bugs here and there.

With the latest beta version I had a sync wipe out all accounts on both the PC and the pocketpc. Basically just deleted EVERYTHING on both.

They emailed me asking for more specific information on how to reproduce the problem and I'm planning on looking into it. Hopefully they'll beable to find out why it happened - but it's something that made me thankful that I took the advice of backing up data before trying beta software.

[brian_r_baker]

One thing I would like to see on my PPC is the current month's budget. Does Cash Organizer/MoneySync do this?

Cash Organizer does budgeting.
I downloaded the trial of Cash Organizer and MoneySync. While it did sync my transactions, it doesn't appear that it sync'd the budget info.

[latinware]

One thing I would like to see on my PPC is the current month's budget. Does Cash Organizer/MoneySync do this?

Cash Organizer does budgeting.
I downloaded the trial of Cash Organizer and MoneySync. While it did sync my transactions, it doesn't appear that it sync'd the budget info.

Cash Organizer and Money Sync does not sync budget info, either way. What I've done it's to manage all my budget and projects on my PPC with CO. Cash Organizer it's far more complete than Money 2005. I hope in the near future Inesoft (CO) will come out with a program for the PC, they have an extraordinary software. :D

[DaViD_BRaNDoN]

The database structure has not changed since Money 2000. Open up Sprite Backup and navigate to "Other Databases". It's all there in black and white. :mrgreen:

Nice... Thanks for the tip :)

[Sooner Magic]

I have installed Money 2005 on my desktop and my PPC. It synchronized successfully, but I don't see how I could perform any data entry on the PPC? I want to use it for bill paying when I am traveling. All I see is the register, manager, categories, etc.

How do I see upcoming bills? And then enter them?

Thanks for any help.

[Darius Wey]

I have installed Money 2005 on my desktop and my PPC. It synchronized successfully, but I don't see how I could perform any data entry on the PPC? I want to use it for bill paying when I am traveling. All I see is the register, manager, categories, etc.

How do I see upcoming bills? And then enter them?

Thanks for any help.

The PPC version of Money is very simplified so don't expect it to be anything similar to the desktop version. If you're looking to paying bills online, etc., it can't be done. If you want to enter new data, tap on "New" in the bottom-left corner of the relevant part of the program, and this should allow you to make new data entries, which should synchronise successfully between your PC and Pocket PC.

[Darren Behan]

Once again Money for the PPC has been a singular disappointment. Admittedly, it's free but does it really take three months AFTER the release of the 'parent' software to do nothing different? I'm truly discouraged by Microsoft's effort here (and I'm not a Microsoft basher)...

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