Rotating screen in Win2003 (NON-SE) WITHOUT RESETTING is possible !

[johnmnemonic]

http://www.nyditot.com/Downloads/ARM/NVD350B_ARM.CAB :)

It's been there for a while(in beta). But sound like this has been discontinued or something. The nyditot mainpage doesn't say one word about this gem.

Question is: Are they still developping this app furthur or they have ceased it. I'd like to buy one if this app won't becoming an abandonware.

So far, I'm happy with landscape/portrait mode without having to reset like version 3.22. No need for Win2003SE for me although minor issue exist.

using 2210 with rom 1.10.

So, get the cab and install it if you have 2003. Those who own 2003SE shouldn't bother cuz there's no need.

[capo]

iPaq 4155 with 2003 (not SE) ROM 1.10. I own a copy of NYDITOT 3.22 and it works fine but having to reset is a nuisance so I tried the beta out. It required a reset just like 3.22, plus it corrupted the display and caused the device to stop responding to anything short of a reset. Sprite Backup saves the day once again... :-)

[johnmnemonic]

When u install it for the first time. It will activate the program during startup. Therefor, reset is needed. But afterwards, you can flip it back and forth without any hazzle.

Tested with ipaq 6345(phone one), 2210, XDA I, XDA II.

All worked.

[f1rick]

This works great on my 2210, just needs a soft reset to get it started. Then on the fly landscape switching and on the fly resolution changes. I have had no probs with crashes, runs like a dream. 8)

f1rick

[capo]

"When u install it for the first time. It will activate the program during startup. Therefor, reset is needed. But afterwards, you can flip it back and forth without any hazzle."

A reset was a given, but it just doesn't work on my 4155. Glad it works for you 22xx owners. That's okay, it's always interesting to try out new stuff. I can hope they'll develop it, otherwise I'm waiting for a VGA, 128MB memory, (maybe) next OS generation unit. This 4155 is nearly perfect for me and it'll take something pretty sexy to pry it out of my hands.

update: FWIW - it *does* work okay on my old iPaq 3835, just not my 4155.

[delfuhd]

Do I soft reset my 2215 immediately after installation? Or after I try to execute the program?

this looks sweeeeeeeet :D

[delfuhd]

Ah.. I see... But, weren't you able to do this with 3.22? I haven't used NYDITOT in a while but I thought that once you got the driver started you could change orientation on the fly.. maybe not, oh well..

registration code doesnt seem to work, are we doomed to only a 7 day trial even if we have 3.22?

[zilla31]

iPaq 4155 with 2003 (not SE) ROM 1.10. I own a copy of NYDITOT 3.22 and it works fine but having to reset is a nuisance so I tried the beta out. It required a reset just like 3.22, plus it corrupted the display and caused the device to stop responding to anything short of a reset. Sprite Backup saves the day once again... :-)

you actually got this working on a 4150/55? i've never heard of any of these virtual display apps working on the 4150/55... i love mine but would even more if i could change resolution and or landscape (like in thunderhawk!).

[KTamas]

Works fine on my A620 8)
Damn, this is the app i'm waiting for since WM2003SE came out.

[ejoya]

nyditot v3.5 works on my ipaq 4150.. the only problem i encountered was caligrapher v7.4 does not work when nyditot is running

[zilla31]

nyditot v3.5 works on my ipaq 4150.. the only problem i encountered was caligrapher v7.4 does not work when nyditot is running

wow that's great - i haven't tried it in months so they must have fixed whatever ailed the 4150 i'll prob give it a shot. does it work "on the fly" or do you have to soft reset to change the view? did you have to hard reset to install it or just slap it on your PPC as is?

THANKS!!!

[ejoya]

nyditot v3.5 works on my ipaq 4150.. the only problem i encountered was caligrapher v7.4 does not work when nyditot is running

wow that's great - i haven't tried it in months so they must have fixed whatever ailed the 4150 i'll prob give it a shot. does it work "on the fly" or do you have to soft reset to change the view? did you have to hard reset to install it or just slap it on your PPC as is?

THANKS!!!

no hard reset :) , it works on the fly.. but calligrapher won't work if nyditot is running.. you need to disable nyditot then soft reset in order to use calligrapher.. anyone can confirm this?

[zilla31]

i use wordlogic so hopefully i'm all set!!! going to try it right now...

[FrozenIpaq]

Can some plz send feed back about it on a 2215 wondering if i should get it, but i got alot of school related stuff and takes too long to back up

[ejoya]

it will work on 2210.. calligrapher or the default transcriber will not work when you configured nyditot to preserve after reset.. :(

[KTamas]

it will work on 2210.. calligrapher or the default transcriber will not work when you configured nyditot to preserve after reset.. :(
And it has a strange bug with reminders, it simply not works, you can see the reminder but you cant see the "dismiss" and "snoose" button. However i dont really use reminders :)

[juni]

And it has a strange bug with reminders, it simply not works

Yes, I found that out this morning...I couldn't dismiss my wake up alarm. :(

[ejoya]

nope. reminder is not an nyditot problem.. it is the wm2003 problem coz it doesnt support real landscape..

[KTamas]

nope. reminder is not an nyditot problem.. it is the wm2003 problem coz it doesnt support real landscape..
I see. Does anybody knows if 3.5 beta works with 3.22 serial (I'm thinking about buying it...)?

[kkelley]

I hadn't used 3.22 in awhile and had since done a hard reset. I downloaded 3.22, installed it, used my reg that I got when I bought 3.01, it worked, installed 3.5, and it is refusing the reg code.

Has anyone else ran into this? I'm on a 2215.

[FrozenIpaq]

Is it safe to leave it in landscape or the normal postiton while nydiot is activated, like for daily use of turning on and off etc.

[delfuhd]

nope. reminder is not an nyditot problem.. it is the wm2003 problem coz it doesnt support real landscape..
I see. Does anybody knows if 3.5 beta works with 3.22 serial (I'm thinking about buying it...)?
My 3.22 serial did not work with the 3.5 beta :( I was dissapointed, but oh well..

[KTamas]

nope. reminder is not an nyditot problem.. it is the wm2003 problem coz it doesnt support real landscape..
I see. Does anybody knows if 3.5 beta works with 3.22 serial (I'm thinking about buying it...)?
My 3.22 serial did not work with the 3.5 beta :( I was dissapointed, but oh well..
I see...D'oh :?

[juni]

It also seems to have problems turning on the device screen when you get a reminder (I put the orientation to portrait before going to bed).

[KTamas]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

[delfuhd]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

Won't work. It keeps information on your pocket pc letting the installer know if you've already used up your term. The only way to be able to reinstall it every 7 days and use it is if you hard reseted every time you reinstalled..

[KTamas]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

Won't work. It keeps information on your pocket pc letting the installer know if you've already used up your term. The only way to be able to reinstall it every 7 days and use it is if you hard reseted every time you reinstalled..
Hehe, false, i tried, it works, and it will, you only have to delete a file after uninstall. Then reset, and reinstall... 8)

[delfuhd]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

Won't work. It keeps information on your pocket pc letting the installer know if you've already used up your term. The only way to be able to reinstall it every 7 days and use it is if you hard reseted every time you reinstalled..
Hehe, false, i tried, it works, and it will, you only have to delete a file after uninstall. Then reset, and reinstall... 8)

I stand corrected :) But I am content with it

[ipaq_wannabe]

fault M$ and the OEMs for this completely directionless undertaking - if they offer upgrades to WM2003SE, then we wouldnt be having this!!!

'nuff said...

:twisted:

[krad]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

Won't work. It keeps information on your pocket pc letting the installer know if you've already used up your term. The only way to be able to reinstall it every 7 days and use it is if you hard reseted every time you reinstalled..
Hehe, false, i tried, it works, and it will, you only have to delete a file after uninstall. Then reset, and reinstall... 8)

What file needs to be deleted?

[Jeff Rutledge]

What file needs to be deleted?

Please do not post the means to workaround a software's trial period.

Thanks.

[krad]

What file needs to be deleted?

Please do not post the means to workaround a software's trial period.

Thanks.

#1 It is a beta.....
#2 the development of the software is dead.

[KTamas]

Whatever...I'll reinstall it every 7 days then...

Won't work. It keeps information on your pocket pc letting the installer know if you've already used up your term. The only way to be able to reinstall it every 7 days and use it is if you hard reseted every time you reinstalled..
Hehe, false, i tried, it works, and it will, you only have to delete a file after uninstall. Then reset, and reinstall... 8)

What file needs to be deleted?
Okay, here is the way:
Edit: PM me or msg me on MSN/ICQ. I dont want to hurt community rules.

[KTamas]

What file needs to be deleted?

Please do not post the means to workaround a software's trial period.

Thanks.

#1 It is a beta.....
#2 the development of the software is dead.
Indeed. And deleting a file is not illegal...

[KTamas]

What file needs to be deleted?

Please do not post the means to workaround a software's trial period.

Thanks.

#1 It is a beta.....
#2 the development of the software is dead.
#3 this software can't be bought...

[krad]

What file needs to be deleted?

Please do not post the means to workaround a software's trial period.

Thanks.

#1 It is a beta.....
#2 the development of the software is dead.
#3 this software can't be bought...

#4 THe software actually works.

[Stephen Beesley]

Getting back to the original topic here - the software itself - I wonder if anybody has tried it on an toshiba e755 (WM2003). I just loaded the beta on my e755 and while it seems to pretty much work as advertised and, despite what some others have said, Calligrapher (v7.4) seems to have no problems when in portrait mode. Despite that, however, there is one annoying problem for me - the today screen suddenly develops a scroll bar down the side where there is not one without the software running. Not a terminal problem, but annoying.

The bigger problem for me is that the software does not seem to play well with Wisbar 2 - you lose all the right hand icons.

Still it is an interesting piece of software and if it did not have the bugs (at least in my experience) mentioned above I could see this being a big seller as long as there are non SE devices still in use.

[FrozenIpaq]

Question:

Is it safe to shut off the Pocket PC While running in the landscape mode? Would appreciate your help.

[Darius Wey]

Is it safe to shut off the Pocket PC While running in the landscape mode? Would appreciate your help.

I don't see why not. I used to do it all the time.

[FrozenIpaq]

I only wanted to know because some other landscaping applications are unsafe sometimes.

[Darius Wey]

I only wanted to know because some other landscaping applications are unsafe sometimes.

Sure. Not all programs are designed to support landscape, so I can see why you may be a little worried leaving it running in landscape mode during standby. There's always a slight possibility that it may cause failures here and there, but this is very remote. When emulating a different resolution or orientation of display, you must always remember that you are pushing some programs to the limits in that they were never intended to be run that way. There's always a risk of spontaneous soft resets (perhaps hard resets). So you should always exercise caution when doing this.

Personally, while landscape is nice to have on the WM2003 OS, the fact that it is not natively supported across the board and that you need to soft-reset your device to change between display orientations (i.e. if you don't run NVD 3.50), the novelty wears off eventually. If you really wanted to support landscape properly, WM2003SE would be the best option, IMHO.

[capo]

I emailed the fine folks at NYDITOT asking if there were plans for further development on NVD and saying I'd be interested. It's been a while and I've received no answer. I'll take that as a "no". :(

[Darius Wey]

I emailed the fine folks at NYDITOT asking if there were plans for further development on NVD and saying I'd be interested. It's been a while and I've received no answer. I'll take that as a "no". :(

It's been a while since NVD was updated. I wouldn't be surprised if the developers have diverted their attention elsewhere. The release of WM2003SE brought with it the main features that NVD originally delivered, so I think continuing development in the program would be nothing but a lost cause. My thoughts anyway...

[capo]

You're probably right. I'm surprised so many of these companies can make ends meet with the price of their products and the level of their support. SBSH for instance - is that a one man show? At ~$13 a pop, they must have a gazillion users out there to be able to keep up the pace of development they maintain and the amazing level of support they're well known for...

[Kati Compton]

You're probably right. I'm surprised so many of these companies can make ends meet with the price of their products and the level of their support. SBSH for instance - is that a one man show? At ~$13 a pop, they must have a gazillion users out there to be able to keep up the pace of development they maintain and the amazing level of support they're well known for...
A lot of the smaller software development places are more labors of love anyway. You make something you want for yourself, then you sell it to other people too to try to recoup SOME of the costs of development. The goal isn't always to make a profit, though I don't see there being anything wrong with that either.

[FrozenIpaq]

Problem for me is, i do not have the money to buy a new PPC w/ WM2003SE, definetly will get tho when i get a job this summer at my school.

[nyditot]

NOTE: THIS POST HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH LINKS TO NVD 4.01 SINCE THE ORIGINAL POSTING. IF YOU PREVIOUSLY DOWNLOADED NVD 4.0 PLEASE USE THE LINKS BELOW TO DOWNLOAD NVD 4.01.
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We're pleased to announce that Nyditot Virtual Display 4.0 has finally been released. We are very grateful to all of you for your well tested patience and beta test support. This version has proven to be exceptionally difficult due to the changes made in the Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition OS and problems that arose on certain newer devices. I hope that it will prove to be worth the wait.

The two most notable new features in NVD 4.01 are:

- The ability to dynamically change (i.e. no reset) display orientation and resolution on Windows Mobile 2003 devices (First or Second Edition).

- Support for external display adapters including Toshiba's e740 and e800 Expansion Packs, Colorgraphic's Voyager VGA, Margi's Presenter-to-Go and LifeView's FlyPresenter. NVD 4.0 also adds a mouse pointer. When NVD is used with a keyboard, mouse and external display, your PDA can be converted into a desktop.

The following link can be used to download the desktop installation program for NVD 4.01.

http://www.nyditot.com/downloads/NVD401Setup.exe

If you are using a VGA capable Pocket PC device you will also need to install the Nyditot 96 DPI Resource Pack. This pack will allow your device to run in TRUE VGA mode. It can be downloaded from this link:

http://www.nyditot.com/downloads/96DPIResourcePack.exe

The new registration system uses your device's built-in unique identifier to generate a unique registration code that will only work on that particular device. In the About tab of the Virtual Display Settings applet you will see a field named Registration Seed. Registered users will need to supply us with the value in this field in order for us to generate a unique registration code. Our web site has not yet been switched over to the new registration format but this should occur sometime next week. For more information please visit:

http://www.nyditot.com/support.htm

sometime after 1/27/2005.

Thanks again for all your support and patience.

[Stephen Beesley]

We're pleased to announce that Nyditot Virtual Display 4.0 has finally been released. We are very grateful to all of you for your well tested patience and beta test support. This version has proven to be exceptionally difficult due to the changes made in the Windows Mobile 2003 Second Edition OS and problems that arose on certain newer devices. I hope that it will prove to be worth the wait.



Very excited by this announcment I rushed to download the demo and install it on my WM2003 Toshiba e755 - could this be the magic bullet I have been looking for to make using my Targus IR keyboard a more pleasant experience?

Unfortunately the answer seems to be no.

After installing the demo and running the display properties applet - setting it to 320x240 Landscape view - and reseting the Toshiba I found my device to completly unusable, The display has changed to landscape all right but clicking on anything on the screen just locks up the display. I did once manage to get back into the virtual display applet to change back to portrait but still the display was locked and garbled.

Fortunately a soft reset solves the problem, but it is a bit of a bummer. If this had worked for me then I would finally have found the compelling reason to shell out for this program that I have been looking for.

Oh well I guess I will just have to wait until I can afford one of those damn WM2003 SE devices to get landscape....

[nyditot]

Hi Stephen,

Thanks (I guess) for the bug report. Unfortunately I don't have an e755 at my disposal at this very moment. I do have a few things you could try if you want to give it another shot.

The first thing to test is to see if there is a conflict with some other software by doing the following:

1) Make a complete backup.
2) Perform a hard reset.
3) Install and test NVD using the (Standard Settings) configuration.
4) If this works, try left and right handed rotations.
5) Restore the device from the backup made in Step 1.

[WyattEarp]

Good to hear that they have a new version out with dynamic screen rotation. Those of us not satisfied with the current WM2003SE PPCs can hold out just a bit longer until something real good come out. :D :D :D . Will definately try it out on my h5555. If it work right this would make my iPAQ almost equal to the current VGA PPCs on the market now. :D :D :D

[Stephen Beesley]

Hi Stephen,

Thanks (I guess) for the bug report. Unfortunately I don't have an e755 at my disposal at this very moment. I do have a few things you could try if you want to give it another shot.

The first thing to test is to see if there is a conflict with some other software by doing the following:

1) Make a complete backup.
2) Perform a hard reset.
3) Install and test NVD using the (Standard Settings) configuration.
4) If this works, try left and right handed rotations.
5) Restore the device from the backup made in Step 1.

Very keen to get this working so I will indeed give your suggestion a shot!

I will let you know how it goes.

[ToddJ]

I have a 4155 and I tried to do the landscape mode, but it still has to reset before it works..I thought you didn't have to do that?

[nyditot]

ToddJ,

You will still need to soft reset when you first start NVD to allow the NVD drivers to be loaded by the operating system. After that you can change resolution/orientation without a soft reset.

Note that the no reset feature only works on WM2003 and later devices. Earlier OS's still require a reset to change resolution. Some other changes such as the scroll bar maginification and any font/color changes also require a reset to take effect. VGA devices will also require a reset if the physical mode is changed.

[Stephen Beesley]

Hi Stephen,

Thanks (I guess) for the bug report. Unfortunately I don't have an e755 at my disposal at this very moment. I do have a few things you could try if you want to give it another shot.

The first thing to test is to see if there is a conflict with some other software by doing the following:

1) Make a complete backup.
2) Perform a hard reset.
3) Install and test NVD using the (Standard Settings) configuration.
4) If this works, try left and right handed rotations.
5) Restore the device from the backup made in Step 1.

Very keen to get this working so I will indeed give your suggestion a shot!

I will let you know how it goes.

Mark,

definately no joy on the e755 - I suspect it could be something to do with the video chip in the e7xx series. I will contact you off forum if you would like me to send you some screenshots or any other info that might help you.

[WyattEarp]

Here's my blow by blow coverage of what happened when I installed NVD 4.0 on my iPAQ h5555.

Round 1: Installed the new version and all it did was enlarge all my popup window fonts and completely removed the Start Menu and New Menu fonts. If the program hasn't even been started why did it change my font settings. :? It also didn't register itself in the Remove Programs utility. Hard Reset :evil: Interestingly enough was the fact that it didn't even allow me to install it from my PC though ActiveSync. :? .

Round 2: Being the determined person I am I installed it again from the .CAB file off an SD card this time after the reset. It worked. Soft reset as asked then restored from my backup and was up and running again. Started up NVD to test it and it gives me the message: "trial period has expired. It will soft reset in 60 seconds to deactivate the settings 8O :? (not exact words but you get the meaning). It soft reset while I was trying to figure out what just happened here; I just installed the program today. After the reset there went those enlarged fonts again from Round 1. :? :bad-words: Hard reset.

Round 3: Refusing to accept that this program won't work when v3.5 worked with out a hitch I installed it again. Backed up only the registry and all NVD related info and components. Restored my regular backup and soft reset. Opened the registry editor and found no reference to NVD at all :? . Opened Remove Programs utility; no NVD listed. :? Restored my NVD backup and soft reset. All references and components found. Started NVD and I once again got the message: "trial period has expired. It will soft reset in 60 seconds to deactivate the settings 8O :? Soft reset. This is just twisted, :twisted: .

Round 4: Same as Round 3 only I refuse to open the program. All NVD components are there but I know that it will give me that mesage again. So for now it just resided unused with the Today Plugin staring at me... calling me...

Probably exessive use of emoticons but better than using the choice words that were going through my head at the time. :) Ooops, there I go again.

[nyditot]

WyattEarp,

There may be some software conflict on your device. Have you tried installing and testing NVD 4.0 immediately after a hard rest (see previous post)? It wasn't clear from your post.

[WyattEarp]

Yes I did. It only worked once.

[ToddJ]

do you need any beta testers for future versions? i have an ipaq 4155....