HP iPAQ hx4700s Shipping?

[Janak Parekh]

We're getting anecdotal reports that people's orders at the HP Business store are shipping -- even those with a later availability date. (The consumer store still is slated for 10/4.) People are also anonymously reporting that some Buy.com orders are going through. If you've been successful in getting your hx4700 shipped and have purchased it elsewhere, feel free to post about it on this thread. 8)<br /><br />(Oh, and unsurprisingly, hx4700s are appearing <a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5721815337">on eBay</a>.)

[FortimirCE]

I've talked to HP SMB three times today, and they have all confirmed 100% that my hx4700 has shipped out... and I have a tracking number.

3-5 days UPS ground.

[OSUKid7]

*cue the Hallelujah song* ;)

Ah, now to look for a good price - aka anything better than $650. lol. I'd still consider the Axim X50 if any real info were released about that soon, but I need a better PDA lol. Hopefully I'll order a hx4705 within the next few weeks.

[coverthawk]

Ordered mine through computers4sure...have a next day tracking number for tomorrow.

[paris]

well expansys in the uk still shows the hx4700 for Pre-order, they dont even have a date. it seems that the US lads are quicker on this one

[CiscoKid]

Still waiting for mine here in Canada (ordered from HP.CA) but I do know a friend that works for one of the HP distributors is expecting his first round on the 24th (Friday) so he'll let me know if they show up Friday.

[ctitanic]

i also ordered one from computers4sale and I'm supposed to get it tomorrow according to what they told me in my last call this afternoon.

[CiscoKid]

Hmmmm, update...just called HP and they're being told that they could be another 2-3 weeks and the reps are also being told that the US hasn't even got them...he admitted they may not be totally up to date, but I'll post here tomorrow if my friend gets any updates, just in case there's any other Canucks like me waiting impatiently for their new toy :)

[telengard]

I just spoke with the HP SMB guy and he told me they were to receive plenty to fill all back orders on the 27th and have leftovers. My order says Oct 6th ship date but he said it should ship on the Sept 27th.

We will see....

Telengard

[PPCMD]

I just checked out Computers4Sure and they list qty 55 in stock. I guess I will order one for Friday Delivery, oh yeah.

[haroon]

Its officially on sale in HK yesterday, and I've bought it~ LOL :lol:
Price HK$4980 = US$638.50 (divide by 7.8 exchange rate)
the screen it superb and its not that big as I expected~

[telengard]

Quick question...anybody know if there are any differences between the hx4700 and the hx4705 besides how they are purchased (consumer channel vs business channel)?

I know there aren't any hardware differences, but wasn't sure if they had different software included....

Telengard

[whydidnt]

Quick question...anybody know if there are any differences between the hx4700 and the hx4705 besides how they are purchased (consumer channel vs business channel)?

I know there aren't any hardware differences, but wasn't sure if they had different software included....

Telengard

From what I can tell of the specs, the 4700 has Worldmate on the included CD and the 4705 doesn't. Otherwise I couldn't find any other difference.

I recieved my overnight tracking number from Computers4Sure this evening. It has left the Addison, TX warehouse, so hopefully FedEx will deliver ontime tomorrow.

[PPCMD]

Quick question, can you remove the included flip cover. Its fine until the new cases arrive, but after that I wont want it on there.

[Wiggster]

Quick question, can you remove the included flip cover. Its fine until the new cases arrive, but after that I wont want it on there.

Judging by the CNET video (http://reviews.cnet.com/HP_iPaq_Pocket_PC_hx4700/4535-3127_7-30974570.html), I'd say yes, it's painless to remove.

[jmbneaf]

Ordered mine through computers4sure...have a next day tracking number for tomorrow.me three...

-JB

[alex_kac]

And I'm peeved. I ordered 2 from C4Sure today too and its STILL on "processing".

GRRRRR.

[xqzt]

Its officially on sale in HK yesterday, and I've bought it~ LOL :lol:
Price HK$4980 = US$638.50 (divide by 7.8 exchange rate)
the screen it superb and its not that big as I expected~
Lucky you. have you had a chance to use it?

[FortimirCE]

According to UPS tracking...

my origin AND destination scans are identical (Indianapolis, IN) so it is obviously coming from here... and I live 10 minutes outside Indy...

...so I will have one tomorrow.

[van_mierlo]

There are already some delivered in the Netherlands according to these (http://www.pocketpc-club.nl/forum/showthread.php?t=37809&page=19&pp=15) messages.

My order on ecost is still BACKORDERED...guess I have to make a call tonight.

[Sunnyone]

I ordered mine on Sept 16. It is on the FedEx truck happily coming my way. I should receive it this morning. :clap:

[ctitanic]

I ordered mine on Sept 16. It is on the FedEx truck happily coming my way. I should receive it this morning. :clap:

Oops, hit submit 2X - my mistake! sorry :oops:


Mine too! But I wont see it after 5 pm :(

[yorkslad]

DABS.COM are showing 5-7 days. Ordered mine early August...so so so sick of waiting!! Also price has increased to £410 since I ordered mine.

[PPCMD]

Computers4sure is now saying backordered. They have 40 due in on the 28th but 101 and counting on backorder so I canceled with them. They told me this morning that it would ship today which was obviously not true. No thanks I will continue to look around or just wait it out.

[mhaffner]

I received an e-mail that I will receive mine today.

[haroon]

the included flip cover is easy to remove: pull up a little bit and there u go~
i dont have time to install the software yet.....but will do it tomorrow, generally, the screen is bright and clear, and i think i will not use the mouse function much: i only used it when the flip cover is closed, lazy to open it...hehe and so use it

[hang5lngbd]

My UPS order just got here

I thought I'd tell everybody while I let it charge.

http://hang5.net/ipaq.jpg

[disconnected]

Oh boy, I hope you lucky people will have time to answer questions. :D

Most importantly, how does the screen look and feel. Janak and Suhit described the display one they saw as kind of mushy and not as bright as a Toshiba e805.

How do apps like Palm reader and IE look?
Does a 5500 stylus fit it?
Have you found any apps yet that don't work?

Thanks for any impressions.

[Mark Johnson]

That's the first time I've seen it side-by-side with a 1900/4100 series and it really makes me less interested in getting one. The thing's huge!

[PJE]

The big question, other than screen quality and size, is how fast is it...

Can someone run SPB Benchmark on their new pride and joy. :wink:

I'd be especially interested in the video speed.

TIA

[KuroNeko]

me too. I want to know if it can play full screen DIVX (640x300 and such resolutions, without the need to resize/recompress) with Betaplayer (supposedly uses the onboard gfx chip)

Neko

[Sunnyone]

Here it is next to my 2215. It is bigger. I don't have anything loaded on it yet, so it seems very fast. Excuse the poor quality pic (camera phone). I'll know more after I load some applications tonight.

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/assets/common/FileObject/jpg.gif ipaqs.jpg (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/media/users/73/ipaqs.jpg) (Size: 23.5 KB)

[elehcdn]

I just called eCost. Although the website still says backordered, they are quoting a ship date of Oct 04 for the 4705.

[PPCMD]

Sure its bigger than the other Ipaqs but it has BT, WiFi, SDIO, CF and a huge 4" screen. Does anyone expect to fit all of this in a 19xx ipaq?

[tricky]

Wow! Thanks Sunnyone for posting the pic, I am really suprised at the size of the unit; so much so that now I think I might wait for the OQO (www.OQO.com) Sure, I'll wind up paying a little more than double the price, but I'll get a a 1GHz machine that runs XP, has Bluetooth and 802.11b, Firewire, USB, and a 20Gb HD and sliding keyboard in a form factor that is just a fraction off of the size of the 4700.

4700 (5.17"x3.03"x.59") Weight 6.6oz - OQO (4.9"x3.4"x.90") Weight 14oz

For me I want as much function as I can get in a small package, running a full version of Money and Streets versus the limited Pocket versions of each has big advantages for me. As for the instant on concern of mine, I guess I could leave the OQO in standby, apparently it is optimized for quick return from standby.

Only problem now is I get to wait at least another two weeks for the release of the OQO. Really, I would be curious to know where people see the differences aside from price.

[Greybard]

I must be the only one who thinks this unit isn't so huge... :)

As a matter of fact it's the same size as my old 3970 with more features!

As a matter of fact my old E&B cases should fit my new 4700 perfectly!

BTW, anyone know if the 4700 supports WPA?

Also does it use it's battery any better than my old 3970 with a pack?

GB

[cgavula]

Well the OQO does appear to be missing some things (if I read the specs on their site correctly) - like no CF or SD or PC card slot - this means a little more limited access to peripherals. The USB/Firewire connections aren't quite the perfect thing for a portable device unless it is in a dock mode. I know you probably wouldn't need one for storage, but I'm thinking of things like GPS cards and other typical laptop peripherals - you usually connect these via a card slot - not a USB cable. Even desktop PCs are starting to ship with some form of these. Plus the OQO is pretty darned thick - nearly 1"

--Chris

[vic2rp_stealth]

Hello mic test... hello.., this is my first post. I've been a background reader of ppct for quite some time.
I've observed that the air has changed. When the 4700/05 was first introduced.. almost everyone was whining.. that thing is huge, that thing is ugly, its a monster, i hate the touch pad, 64 mb ram what? and blah blah blah. But now... oh my baby is coming, i can't wait no more, the screen is bright, and etc.
Just for a thought. :D

[Wiggster]

Hello mic test... hello.., this is my first post. I've been a background reader of ppct for quite some time.
I've observed that the air has changed. When the 4700/05 was first introduced.. almost everyone was whining.. that thing is huge, that thing is ugly, its a monster, i hate the touch pad, 64 mb ram what? and blah blah blah. But now... oh my baby is coming, i can't wait no more, the screen is bright, and etc.
Just for a thought. :D
Different people saying those things :wink:

[ignar]

That's because only HP fanboys post in this thread. :wink:

[sofene]

This thing is ugly and huge. I think I'll get me the e800/e830 instead with regular shape and regular buttons and at least 30% cheaper. Is there a real speed difference between the processors? Intel lists them as 312/412/520/624 mhz. Is a case of same processor running at different speeds?

[Laura Rooke]

Yes, I have my 4705 arriving from HP SMB today Sep 24, 2004

[Len M.]

Would someone who has one please run SPB Benchmark on it with a 1, 2 or 4 GB CF card and/or a 1 GB SD card, and post the results?

Thanks!


Len Moskowitz
Core Sound
www.core-sound.com

[uu]

I have my iPAQ hx4700 coming from Sparco.com.
Apparently HP has started shipping hx4700 right now.

[PPCMD]

Sorry but size does matter and its the right size. As I commented earlier you cannot have everything the hx4700 has and be the same size as a 19xx series Ipaq.

Moving from an I700 WMPE2003 device, I felt the complete package this will offer was worth it. I an connect via BT to either my V710 or MPX220 (when it arrives).

As for Toshiba I am sure its a comparable device but who is going to support it now that they are leaving the US altogether? At least HP is still cranking out the devices. Of course we should all begin to ask will this be WM2004 or WM2005 upgradable and if so how much ROM will be lost when it comes out. Figured someone has to ask.

Mine should be here Mon/Tues since buy.com is still saying stock but my order still says warehouse.

[FortimirCE]

This thing is ugly and huge. I think I'll get me the e800/e830 instead with regular shape and regular buttons and at least 30% cheaper. Is there a real speed difference between the processors? Intel lists them as 312/412/520/624 mhz. Is a case of same processor running at different speeds?

I've got one on my desk in its cradle right now... and it is by no means ugly and huge.

It's very small, and sleek for its power. It fits very well and balanced in my hand... and it is actually CONSIDERABLY smaller than my E-125 I had previously.

[bnycastro]

any FULL reviews up yet? am really interested about the performance of the trackpad thingie... is it easy to use? or would you still prefer the normal d-pad?

[ludovic]

hi everybody. i am seriously considering ditching my three-year-old black&white sony clie and buying an ipaq 4700 (that is when they finally arrive in Australia :| ). after having read a few preview articles it seems to me that the 4700's powerful features (love that screen) are not exactly matched by the operating system/software (i.e. pocket internet explorer doesn't not make full use of VGA resolution). do people in here think that the ipaq 4700 can be upgraded to windows mobile 2004/2005? when do you expect this release? i would hate to spend a fair bit of money on this pocket pc and then be loosing out when an improved os comes out... :?

[Stephen Beesley]

hi everybody. i am seriously considering ditching my three-year-old black&white sony clie and buying an ipaq 4700 (that is when they finally arrive in Australia :| ). after having read a few preview articles it seems to me that the 4700's powerful features (love that screen) are not exactly matched by the operating system/software (i.e. pocket internet explorer doesn't not make full use of VGA resolution). do people in here think that the ipaq 4700 can be upgraded to windows mobile 2004/2005? when do you expect this release? i would hate to spend a fair bit of money on this pocket pc and then be loosing out when an improved os comes out... :?

Going from past OEM behaviour I certainly would not count on any Pocket PC being upgraded to the next version of the OS. Of the many PPCs out there that are technically capable of being upgraded to WM2003SE only Toshiba (with the e4xx/8xx) series has released an update. HP in particular has upset many people by announcing that they will not be issuing updates for any of the existing range of PPCs even ones that are still selling.

On that basis I think it is always best to make you purchasing decisions on the OS that is currently installed in a device rather than what might maybe become available some time in the future....

[PPCMD]

Over at IpaqHQ there is a member who has the hx4700 and has a review going that he continues to add to. It could help some of your questions and also he is asking for those who want him to try out certain features to ask.

This is from benn600: My full review is complete on my HX4700! It has 21 pictures and lots of reading. Please post this address in message boards all over and tell your friends--I post additinal info often so check back later!

http://benn600.no-ip.org/public/hx4700/review.html

[Mark Johnson]

Does anyone expect to fit all of this in a 19xx ipaq?

I, for one, neither expect nor want that. There are at least two "features" that HP included that are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The 4" screen is the right resolution (VGA instead of QVGA) but the wrong size (4" instead of 3.5" as in the 1910). I've never desired a larger screen, in fact I wish they would release a unit a little smaller than the 1910 with a 3.25" VGA screen. There is plenty of "real estate" on a 3.5" or 3.25" screen, it's just that the absurdly wide (low res QVGA) pixel spacing uses the space so poorly. The screen resolutions on PPC's have always been a LONG way from supporting the "smallest readable font" sizes. The default minimum 8-point is far too large.

As for CF, I never missed it when I switched to SD three years ago. I realize that people who already own large CF cards want to keep using them, but it's sad that HP is only putting VGA on one unit where they are also maintaining "legacy" CF card support.

[ludovic]

hi stephen. thanks for the advice! can't wait to read a full review...

and to those lucky guys who already have one; i'm trying to figure out how big the 4700 is in your hands. could you pleeease post a photo of you holding it? thank you very much!

[benn600]

Unless you haven't heard, I wrote a full review on my HX4700:
http://benn600.no-ip.org/public/hx4700/review.html
(it's on the homepage)!

[Dolphin]

Does anyone expect to fit all of this in a 19xx iPaq?

I, for one, neither expect nor want that. There are at least two "features" that HP included that are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

The 4" screen is the right resolution (VGA instead of QVGA) but the wrong size (4" instead of 3.5" as in the 1910). I've never desired a larger screen, in fact I wish they would release a unit a little smaller than the 1910 with a 3.25" VGA screen. There is plenty of "real estate" on a 3.5" or 3.25" screen, it's just that the absurdly wide (low res QVGA) pixel spacing uses the space so poorly. The screen resolutions on PPC's have always been a LONG way from supporting the "smallest readable font" sizes. The default minimum 8-point is far too large.

As for CF, I never missed it when I switched to SD three years ago. I realize that people who already own large CF cards want to keep using them, but it's sad that HP is only putting VGA on one unit where they are also maintaining "legacy" CF card support.

I agree with all of these points!

I recently went from a iPaq 4155 to a rx3715 because I'm one of those PPC users that wants a camera... I know not everyone wants one, but I do! It's not so bad in cargo jean shorts. But winter is coming and the 3715 is going to be harder to pull out of the levis... and so much the more for a 4705!

Once you get used to the 19xx/41xx form factor it's hard to go back! As nice as the 4705 is, and it is nice... I'm afraid it would be to big for me. When the Dell X50 comes out I might consider it. But I don't think it has a camera. (I can here some of you saying "So what!")

My PPC really does go in my pocket and not in a case. I've been keeping it in my pocket ever since the iPaq 1910 with the screen faced in. Small puts the "Pocket" in Pocket PC... at least for me. I know that this is not an issue for many users, but it is for me!

For me.. small is good!

[ludovic]

Unless you haven't heard, I wrote a full review on my HX4700:
http://benn600.no-ip.org/public/hx4700/review.html
(it's on the homepage)!

great review! thanks a lot for sharing all that information with us! i am highly impressed with the combination of the ipaq 4700 and vga_se. You can actually use it for web browsing! one question though: the text looks really small on some websites - i know it's high resolution and all but can you actually comfortably look at web sites without squinting too much?

cheers

[bnycastro]

Unless you haven't heard, I wrote a full review on my HX4700:
http://benn600.no-ip.org/public/hx4700/review.html
(it's on the homepage)!

@benn600: great review a few questions if you don't mind :)

what is vga_se? isn't the new os supposed to support VGA already? So you still need another software to use VGA?

also with the input method: while on portrait mode does the input screen (i.e. the software keyboard) extend halfway up the screen (meaning it is 640 x 240 left for viewing)

Thanks in Advance

[Janak Parekh]

what is vga_se? isn't the new os supposed to support VGA already? So you still need another software to use VGA?
He means the SE_VGA hack, which I've written about in detail here (http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30475).

also with the input method: while on portrait mode does the input screen (i.e. the software keyboard) extend halfway up the screen (meaning it is 640 x 240 left for viewing)
You mean landscape mode? In any case, the keyboards built into SE "scale up" so that the useable area of the keyboard mirrors those in QVGA conditions.

--janak

[Dolphin]

also with the input method: while on portrait mode does the input screen (i.e. the software keyboard) extend halfway up the screen (meaning it is 640 x 240 left for viewing)

Thanks in Advance

I don't have a have a 4705 but on my new iPaq rx3715 w/2003 2nd Ed... it doesn't extend. I wish it did... I guess that would make too much sense for M$. Sorry M$, it's just that sometimes I wonder if they even try using these devices. If they did, wouldn't we have a little better operating system. All that wasted screen space... what a shame!

[bnycastro]

I don't have a have a 4705 but on my new iPaq rx3715 w/2003 2nd Ed... it doesn't extend. I wish it did... I guess that would make too much sense for M$. Sorry M$, it's just that sometimes I wonder if they even try using these devices. If they did, wouldn't we have a little better operating system. All that wasted screen space... what a shame! So this is something with the OS not the VGA screen... so how far up or wide does the input screen extend upto (1/3 or 1/4 or the screen: just an estimate)? I think the less is better when viewing or surfing.

[Janak Parekh]

So this is something with the OS not the VGA screen...
Yeah, it also holds for QVGA units. The keyboards aren't all that useful in landscape, as it eats up most of the screen. :( A workaround is to use Calligrapher if it suits your needs.

--janak

[Dolphin]

So this is something with the OS not the VGA screen... so how far up or wide does the input screen extend upto (1/3 or 1/4 or the screen: just an estimate)?

The keyboard remains exactly the same size. It could have been something like what the Thunderhawk web browser has, which is easier to use. But... oh well.

[bnycastro]

So this is something with the OS not the VGA screen...
Yeah, it also holds for QVGA units. The keyboards aren't all that useful in landscape, as it eats up most of the screen. :( A workaround is to use Calligrapher if it suits your needs.

--janaki see thanks janak :)

[Dolphin]

bnycastro...

BTW... did you know that you just became a PPC intellectual with that last post! :wink:

[bnycastro]

bnycastro...

BTW... did you know that you just became a PPC intellectual with that last post! :wink:Kewl!