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Don Tolson
09-29-2004, 05:00 PM
<img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-pkg.jpg" /><br /><br /><b>Product Category:</b> Keyboards -- full size<br /><b>Manufacturer:</b> <A HREF = "http://www.thinkoutside.com/" target = "blank"> Think Outside</A><br /><b>Where to Buy:</b> <A HREF = "http://pocketpcthoughts.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=3911183" target = "blank"> Pricegrabber</A> [affiliate]<br /><b>Price:</b> $93.43 to $149.95 USD.<br /><b>System Requirements:</b> The keyboard is certified for Asus MyPal A620, Del Axim X3, iPAQ 194x, 221x, 415x, 435x. It will also work with Pocket PC 2002 or Windows Mobile 2003 with Socket SD or CF Cards. Keyboard driver (v3.1) requires 406K of memory, which must be installed to main memory to work consistently. The keyboard supports Pocket PC, Symbian, Windows and MAC operating systems. A full list of compatible products (Smart Phones, etc.) is provided on the Think Outside Website.<br /><b>Specifications:</b> Closed: 139mm x 99mm x 13mm (5.5” x 3.9” x 0.5”) Open: 251mm x 148mm x 13mm (9.9” x 5.8” x 0.5”) Weight: 160g (5.6 oz) Key spacing: 18mm, Key travel: 3mm. Layout: English QWERTY (4 rows)<br /><br /><b>Pros:</b><li>Lightweight, sturdy construction;<br /><li>Very easy setup/configuration;<br /><li>Good overall keyboard feel;<br /><li>Batteries should last three months, under normal use;<br /><li>Complete, ready-to-go package, including batteries and a carrying case!;<br /><li>Detachable PDA/Phone stand;<br /><li>Same driver supports Stowaway Bluetooth, XT, and IR keyboards! <b>Cons:</b><li>4-row design, so numbers and symbols are accessed with a FN-key combination, which will slow down 5-row touch typists;<br /><li>Still a bit tippy if you rest your hands on the ends of the keyboard;<br /><li>Connection does not show up in the Active Connections list of Bluetooth Manager.<b>Summary:</b> It’s been a loooonnnggg time coming, but the wait has been worth it. Based on the award winning design of the Stowaway XT keyboard, Think Outside is now shipping its Universal Bluetooth version, which, because of the Bluetooth enablement, should mean the end to the need for device-specific keyboards. So now, you can use the same keyboard for your Pocket PC, laptop and smartphone. (Although I don’t suggest you have them all connected at the same time!) Generally, the typing feel is exactly the same as the Stowaway XT, but how is it for setup and use?<br /><br />Well, read on, gentlefolk!<!><br /><PAGEBREAK><br /><span><b>Welcome to the next level of Bluetooth’ing</b></span><br />I’ve been waiting for over a year for this product, and I can honestly say, now that I've had a chance to work with the keyboard for a couple of weeks, that it’s been well worth the wait. Long time readers of Pocket PC Thoughts will know that I’ve been through every one of Think Outside’s folding keyboards – from the 4-way folding model to the Stowaway XT. But I was always looking for some way around the need to buy a new keyboard for each PDA. I'd heard that Think Outside was working on a Bluetooth-enabled keyboard about a year ago, but like most everyone else, had given up on hearing anything but rumors. Then, suddenly, Think Outside announced they had a product! A couple of months later, a sample arrived at my door! Cool! In theory, I should be able to attach a full-sized keyboard for typing meeting notes, and articles :-) to any Bluetooth-enabled device! Let’s see how it works in practice...<br /><br /><span><b>What You Get in the Box</b></span><br />The Stowaway Universal Bluetooth Keyboard comes in a plastic bubble package which you need to cut away on one side to open. (See the picture at the top of the review.) These have always been the bane of my existence -- especially as a reviewer -- since it makes it difficult to get these back into reasonable shape for return to the manufacturer.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-inbox.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 1: The contents of the Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard package.</i><br /><br />In the package, you get the following:<li>The Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard;<br /><li>Lined, leather pouch with zipper to protect the keyboard (nice!);<br /><li>Two AAA size batteries (required to run the keyboard);<br /><li>Quick start guide;<br /><li>CD with drivers and user guide.It was refreshing to see a company provide not only the basic unit, but the extras to get you up and running right away. It was great to have the batteries included, and the zippered leather case is a very nice way to keep the unit from getting scratched up.<br /><PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>Installation and Setup</b></span><br />The batteries (two AAA size) are inserted in a compartment in the bottom of the keyboard.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-batteries.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 2: The battery compartment on the bottom of the keyboard. The cover is shown to the left.</i><br /><br />According to Think Outside, under normal use the batteries should last approximately 3 months. I wasn’t able to test that, but if it’s true, that’s a reasonable amount of time.<br /><br />Drivers for the keyboard come on a CD which runs the installation routines as soon as it is inserted. To install the drivers, you need a PC connected to your Pocket PC via Activesync – either direct USB or Bluetooth. The driver for the Universal Bluetooth Keyboard is unfortunately named the same as my existing Stowaway XT driver, so there was no chance to install both side-by-side. Although the Quick Start Guide tells you to remove any previous versions of keyboard drivers before proceeding, I decided to see if it could handle installation over top of my existing v2 Stowaway XT Keyboard Driver. In a word – No. It got hung up. So, I did a soft reset, removed the old driver completely and installed the new driver. To my surprise, the Bluetooth Keyboard driver (v3.1) supports not only the Bluetooth keyboard, but also the XT serially-connected keyboard, and the IR-connected model as well! Way to go, Think Outside!<br /><br />Setup of the keyboard is exactly the same as for the Stowaway XT, except that you don’t have to worry about plugging the unit into the keyboard, or removing a case, etc. To open the keyboard, you fold back the stand, then press a long, grey button on the left hand side. Pulling open the top portion, like a book, you unfold the keyboard and it locks in position.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-standunfold.JPG" /><br /><i>Figure 3: Unfolding the stand...</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-keybdunfold.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 4: Unfolding the keyboard...</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-extended.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 5: Fully extended Bluetooth Universal Keyboard.</i><br /><br />The PDA/phone stand has two positions, which you select by adjusting its back support wall, and you can detach the stand completely by pulling gently back on it, away from the keyboard.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-standsep.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 6: The PDA/Phone stand separated from the keyboard.</i><br /> <PAGEBREAK> <br />Once the keyboard is unfolded, it’s essentially powered on. To make it ‘discoverable’ (in the Bluetooth sense), you press the CTRL+Left FN+Right FN keys simultaneously until the green power LED starts flashing. During discovery mode, the flash is quite quick (approximately once per second). After the keyboard is connected, the LED will go into a slow flash (about once every two or three seconds) to tell you the keyboard is operational. Apparently, the LED will change to red if the battery level gets too low for the keyboard to operate.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-ledbutton.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 7: Locations of the LED and folding button.</i><br /><br />To fold the keyboard back up, you press a small black button at the top of the keyboard, above the P key (see picture above). Then you reverse the process used to open the keyboard. The keyboard is automatically powered off when it's folded up.<br /> <PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>Configuration</b></span><br />Initial pairing and configuration of the keyboard was very quick. It took about 5 seconds for my iPAQ 2215 to scan for the keyboard, find it, and setup an unsecured connection.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-cnx.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 8: Initial ‘New Connection’ screen.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-cnx2.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 9: After tapping New Connection, you then have to discover the keyboard.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-keybdfound.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 10: After about 5 secs scanning, the keyboard is found, and you can connect.</i><br /><br />I decided to go back though, and create a secure connection, which requires the establishment of a passkey between the two units, which you do on the Pocket PC first, then you’re prompted to key in the same numeric sequence on the keyboard and press the Return/Enter key to complete. Once this is done, there is a secure, encrypted data connection between the two units.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-secure.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 11: Establishing a secure connection.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-securecnx.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 12: All connected...</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-wipaq.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 13: Paired up and ready to go with my iPAQ 2215!</i><br /><br />Unfortunately, I found that as far as the Pocket PC’s Bluetooth Manager was concerned, it knew nothing of the connection between the keyboard and my iPAQ.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-manager.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 14: Keyboard? What keyboard?</i><br /><br />Once the two are connected, you access the driver via a keyboard icon which has been added to the system tray, located with the other input methods in the lower right corner of the screen.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-config.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 15: Keyboard configuration parameters.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-hotkey.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 16: User-defineable alternate keys.</i><br /><br />Once the keyboard is configured for your Pocket PC, re-establishing the connection is a breeze! Just open the keyboard, then turn on your Pocket PC and hit the keyboard icon at the bottom of the screen. Tap on the Enable button, then select Bluetooth and Setup. You'll get a message saying that Bluetooth is initializing, then a request to press a key on the keyboard to reconnect. When you do that, the connection is automatically re-established, and you're ready to go!<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-reconnect.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 17: Reconnecting the keyboard. Tap a key on the keyboard, and you're away!</i><br /> <PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>Ergonomics</b></span><br />From a user perspective, this keyboard is identical to the <A HREF = "http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21264" target = "blank"> Stowaway XT keyboard</A> I reviewed a while ago. Here are some pictures of them together:<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-bothclosed.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 18: Comparison of the XT and Bluetooth keyboards when closed. Bluetooth version is at the top.</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-bothopen.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 19: ..and here they are when opened!</i><br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-end.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 20: An end-on view of the Bluetooth (top) and XT keyboards. Pretty similar thickness.</i><br /><br />The keyboard feel between the XT and the Bluetooth Universal is exactly the same to my fingers. It’s not quite as solid a feel as the keyboard on my laptop, and it has the same balance/tipping problem when I rest my hands on either side of the keyboard ends. I won’t bother getting into the missing row of numbers thing, since we went through all of that the last time. The space bar is separated into two pieces, to facilitate the fold line on the keyboard, and that takes a little getting used to. There are two FN keys (coloured green and blue) on either side of the space bar which are used in conjunction with other keys to provide numbers, symbols, and other functions. One think I noticed with the Bluetooth keyboard is that there seems to be a lot more Pocket PC-related functions available than on the XT keyboard.<br /><br /><span><b>Pairing With my Laptop. W?BIC!</b></span><br />Now here’s something that really fits into the Why? Because I Can? category. (My wife just shakes her head and mumbles something about ‘Boys and their toys’ when I show her this stuff.) I have a <A HREF = "http://www.fujitsu.ca/products/notebooks/lifebook_t_series/t3010/" target = "blank"> Fujitsu T3010D convertible laptop</A> for work, which I’ve Bluetooth enabled using a <A HREF = "http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Merchant_Id=&Product_Id=126336" target = "blank"> Belkin F8T001 vers.2 USB adapter.</A> I just recently installed Windows XP SP2, so it <i>should</i> be able to recognize and use the keyboard within the built-in HID support.<br /><br />In three words? It worked perfectly! I was able to pair up the keyboard to my laptop in under a minute, including configuring and establishing the ‘secure’ connection.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-w-bic.jpg" /><br /><i>Figure 21: All paired up with my T3010!!</i><br /><br />The only difficulty I’ve encountered is that, unlike the Pocket PC, my laptop loses all knowledge of the keyboard once it's disconnected. The entire device disappears from the Bluetooth Devices panel. The only way to get it back is to re-create the device and establish a new pairing. I’m not sure why this happens, but I suspect it’s something within the XP/SP2 operating system, rather than anything wrong with the keyboard.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/don-sep04-bluetooth-pcdevices.gif" /><br /><i>Figure 22: The Bluetooth Devices screen on the laptop.</i><br /><br />Theoretically, I should be able to also pair the keyboard with my <A HREF = "http://www.nokia.ca/english/products/3600/3600.asp" target = "blank"> Nokia 3650 phone</A>, but I haven’t bothered, since I don’t do any text messaging, and I can’t see any other possible reason for having a keyboard on my phone. (I’m open to suggestions though -- much to my dear wife’s chagrin!)<br /> <PAGEBREAK> <br /><span><b>Documentation</b></span><br />On the installation CD is an electronic copy of the Quick Start guide and a 30-page User Manual for the keyboard. You have to search a bit through the directory structure on the CD to find it, and it’s in .pdf format. The User Manual is certainly up to Think Outside’s usual very high standards – well laid out and straightforward in its explanations. While I’m finding (as I get older) I generally like to read through the manual before playing with the software, I found I didn’t really need it this time. I read through it afterward, but it didn’t tell me anything that I hadn’t already found.<br /><br /><span><b>Conclusions</b></span><br />Well, what can I say? It’s not quite nirvana, but it’s pretty darn close. This is a fun product to work with since it is easy to set up and does what it's supposed to do very well. There's also something of the cool factor here, since where I work Bluetooth is still a very foreign concept. And I love the flexibility having this keyboard affords me -- not only for now, but with future Pocket PCs.

PetiteFlower
09-29-2004, 05:33 PM
Still a 4 row design. Suck! Isn't there anyone else who wants a 5 row keyboard? Especially with the kind of money they want to charge for it, I want my row of numbers!

Kathy_Harris
09-29-2004, 06:02 PM
I won't touch it without a number row....

johncruise
09-29-2004, 06:09 PM
I'm curious as to why it will only work with PPC2k2 with Socket BT cards?

Don, have you tried it with PPC2k2 with other BT cards aside Socket brands?

Darius Wey
09-29-2004, 06:09 PM
Still a 4 row design. Suck! Isn't there anyone else who wants a 5 row keyboard? Especially with the kind of money they want to charge for it, I want my row of numbers!

I agree. It's not my cup of tea at that price.

Adding another row doesn't add a great deal of bulkiness when it comes to that "compact" factor, and I'd certainly like to see more companies employ this idea. Let's hope they read these forums. :D

Don Tolson
09-29-2004, 06:23 PM
I'm curious as to why it will only work with PPC2k2 with Socket BT cards?

Don, have you tried it with PPC2k2 with other BT cards aside Socket brands?

Hi John.. sorry, but I only tested it using the Bluetooth included in my iPAQ 2215, I haven't tried any BT cards for the PPC with this keyboard. The spec info in this regard is taken directly from Think Outside's web site and the packaging.

Brad Adrian
09-29-2004, 06:40 PM
Personally, I don't mind the three-row design that much. If adding the numbers row reverts the keyboard size back to that of the original ThinkOutside keyboards, I'll take the smaller size every day.

I'm sometimes reluctant to take my older, bigger ThinkOutside keyboard with me, but the XT-sized keyboard makes it into my pocket fairly often.

SteveHoward999
09-29-2004, 06:55 PM
4 rows makes sense as a business decision. There are far more pick and poke typists than touch typists.

Perry Reed
09-29-2004, 07:19 PM
Great review! Personally, I don't believe I'd miss the number row too much. I just don't type numbers all that often, at least not compared to letters and punctuation.

I'm glad to see that this is finally out on the market. When and if I ditch my old Jornada 568 for a newer Pocket PC, it'll definitely be one with Bluetooth and I will absolutely set aside some cash to spring for a keyboard to go with it. This one goes right to the top of my list.

Marcel_Proust
09-29-2004, 07:41 PM
4 rows makes sense as a business decision. There are far more pick and poke typists than touch typists.

Well it's the best touch type keyboard I've ever had on my pocket pc, and rivals some of the laptop ones I've had. Except for the number keys. It does work very well, and sip panel works well. I love the fact that you can have Caligrapher open and functional and still use the keyboard at the same time without the Stowaway sip activated.
So the number keys are somewhat of a loss, especially if you are doing number intensive operations, which I don't. For regular writing it's a joy.

intastella
09-29-2004, 09:49 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions about where somebody could buy one of these in Canada?

Online or in a store. I realise I can buy it from an online store in the US and have it shipped, but isn't that rife with complicated customs mess?

benn600
09-29-2004, 11:04 PM
I have a Targus Stowaway and have always loved it. It has a number row (I didn't realize manufacturers were going away from that!) but it won't work with my new hx4700 because the adapter has a third of a circle on it. I had to take the adapter apart to get it hooked up and then it works. I am in the process of finding a way to get it to work.

I would like a Bluetooth keyboard because I could then separate my ipaq from my keyboard but won't that take more battery? That doesn't make me happy. I don't have much to spare. I am really interested in getting a batery pack that takes AA's and is under $10 that I can buy from Buy.com because I prefer them.

By the way, check out my review of the HX4700 at http://benn600.no-ip.org/public/hx4700/review.html

echernosky
09-29-2004, 11:54 PM
Once the keyboard is configured for your Pocket PC, re-establishing the connection is a breeze! Just open the keyboard, then turn on your Pocket PC and hit the keyboard icon at the bottom of the screen. Tap on the Enable button, then select Bluetooth and Setup. You'll get a message saying that Bluetooth is initializing, then a request to press a key on the keyboard to reconnect. When you do that, the connection is automatically re-established, and you're ready to go!

You call that a breeze? That's 7 steps! WOW! Why can't you just open the keyboard (#1), turn on the PPC (#2)... and then the PPC should see the keyboard (if you've paired it) and ask you "Hey... I see that you've got that slick BT keyboard in front of me... do you want me to connect to it?" You of course click Yes (#3).

Why should it have to be more than 3 steps? C'mon! :evil:

I think I'll wait for HP's BT keyboard... maybe it will make more sense.

Don Tolson
09-29-2004, 11:56 PM
Does anyone have any suggestions about where somebody could buy one of these in Canada?

Online or in a store. I realise I can buy it from an online store in the US and have it shipped, but isn't that rife with complicated customs mess?

I don't know of any hardware reseller in Canada that is carrying these just yet and I've checked with all the 'biggies' like FutureShop, CompuSmart, etc.

I haven't found a big problem with ordering from US companies. You will get dinged for customs and duties coming across the border, but if you have it 'mailed' rather than couriered, you will avoid the brokerage fees. I've also heard that Purolator Courier's 'Expedited' service is probably cheapest, if you prefer that route. It's a little more expensive than the regular couriering, but you avoid excessive 'brokerage' fees.

Don Tolson
09-30-2004, 12:00 AM
Whew... I've never had responses like this from the Engineers before. This just came in: (the stuff in italic is from my original article, followed by their response)

1) "Connection does not show up in the Active Connections list of Bluetooth Manager"

The Widcomm Bluetooth stack included in the PocketPC devices does not support the HID profile. The HID functionalities are built into our Bluetooth keyboard driver, therefore, we have essentially bypassed the Bluetooth Manager.

2) "Once the keyboard is configured for your Pocket PC, re-establishing the connection is a breeze! Just open the keyboard, then turn on your Pocket PC and hit the keyboard icon at the bottom of the screen. Tap on the Enable button, then select Bluetooth and Setup. You'll get a message saying that Bluetooth is initializing, then a request to press a key on the keyboard to reconnect. When you do that, the connection is
automatically re-established, and you're ready to go!"

In most cases, all you have to do is open the keyboard, turn on the PPC device, wait for the Bluetooth software to initialize (2 to 3 seconds) on your PPC device, and press a key on the keyboard to reconnect. You do not need to go through the setup procedure again. If you are having problem following the above procedure to reconnect, please make sure your Bluetooth accessibility is configured as "Allow other devices to connect ==> All devices" in your Bluetooth Settings.

Marcel_Proust
09-30-2004, 12:43 AM
Once the keyboard is configured for your Pocket PC, re-establishing the connection is a breeze! Just open the keyboard, then turn on your Pocket PC and hit the keyboard icon at the bottom of the screen. Tap on the Enable button, then select Bluetooth and Setup. You'll get a message saying that Bluetooth is initializing, then a request to press a key on the keyboard to reconnect. When you do that, the connection is automatically re-established, and you're ready to go!

You call that a breeze? That's 7 steps! WOW! Why can't you just open the keyboard (#1), turn on the PPC (#2)... and then the PPC should see the keyboard (if you've paired it) and ask you "Hey... I see that you've got that slick BT keyboard in front of me... do you want me to connect to it?" You of course click Yes (#3).

Why should it have to be more than 3 steps? C'mon! :evil:

I think I'll wait for HP's BT keyboard... maybe it will make more sense.

That's only for the initial setup. Once you've done it, that's it. You never have to pair or anything again, just press any key on your keyboard and it types it in no matter what sip you have open. that's the beauty of it. I have never had to set up anything! after 3 weeks of using it.

Marcel_Proust
09-30-2004, 12:50 AM
Does anyone have any suggestions about where somebody could buy one of these in Canada?

Online or in a store. I realise I can buy it from an online store in the US and have it shipped, but isn't that rife with complicated customs mess?

I order a lot of things from the States, and I agree with the other respondant to your question - the biggest challenge is to not be dinged with excessive brokerage fees. The customs themselves isn't too bad, usually the same as GST+PST. Look at the different sites and see what shipping options they have. It's a bit of a crapshoot, sometimes you get overcharged and sometimes undercharged, but it's all doable. If you want it to be predictable check out if any stores at www.borderfree.com have the keyboard. Maybe etronics? They don't really save you money, but you'll know exactly how much you'll end up paying.

hamishmacdonald
09-30-2004, 01:23 AM
I bought one of these, but on the day that it arrived, the little metal bit that holds it closed fell out. :(

I'm a huge fan of the XT keyboard, but I was troubled when I realised that I couldn't be connected to my Bluetooth access point and this keyboard at the same time (or, presumably, my mobile-as-modem). My iPAQ also slid around an awful lot while it was on the stand; I couldn't touch the screen with my stylus without the iPAQ slipping sideways. So I was kinda happy when the bit fell out and I had an excuse to get my hundred quid back.

I'd bought it when my PC keyboard broke, thinking it would do double-duty. Instead, I wound up buying a nice, simple little keyboard for thirteen pounds, and happily went back to my XT. (The collapsed number-row is an utter non-issue for me.)

Thinkingmandavid
09-30-2004, 03:30 AM
I would like to have one for when I upgrade my ppc in the future. I am tough on keyboards so I am not certain I want to spend that kind of money, but I do like the convenience of one fits all.
I may be a bt sd card and use it with the keyboard.


hamishmacdonald wrote
My iPAQ also slid around an awful lot while it was on the stand; I couldn't touch the screen with my stylus without the iPAQ slipping sideways.
I do not want this problem, is anyone else experiencing this that has purchased the keyboard?

It appears to be a nice keyboard and I am in the market for a keyboard, decisions, decisions.... :D

asims
09-30-2004, 04:01 PM
Wow! I like this keyboard, even without the fifth row! I told my wife last night that I found my Christmas present (or maybe Thanksgiving, or Halloween.)! I agree with an earlier post that if you don't crunch numbers a lot, the standalone numbers row won't be missed too much. Above all, I can definitely type faster on a keyboard than on the PDA.

A coworker who has a Palm says he got his keyboard (one that plugs into his PDA) for around $60 or less. This BT keyboard would be so much more appealing if the price came down a bit.

Don,
I know this is totally off the subject, but I'm looking for a good carrying case and Figure 13 in your post shows yours. I have just a few questions:

1. Where did you get it?
2. How much did it cost?
3. Does it come in a left-handed version?
4. Can it be clipped to the belt?

Don Tolson
09-30-2004, 07:16 PM
I would like a Bluetooth keyboard because I could then separate my ipaq from my keyboard but won't that take more battery? That doesn't make me happy. I don't have much to spare. I am really interested in getting a batery pack that takes AA's and is under $10 that I can buy from Buy.com because I prefer them.

As I pointed out in the review, the biggest part of having a bluetooth keyboard is not having to retro-fit it each time you get another PDA. As far as power is concerned, the keyboard gets its power from its own battery, which should last about 3 months or so. The PPC runs on its own power supply (battery or external), and you can even use this keyboard when the unit is in the cradle!

Don Tolson
09-30-2004, 07:21 PM
Don,
I know this is totally off the subject, but I'm looking for a good carrying case and Figure 13 in your post shows yours. I have just a few questions:

1. Where did you get it?
2. How much did it cost?
3. Does it come in a left-handed version?
4. Can it be clipped to the belt?

Hi Asims...the case is from Proporta -- it's the aluminum case for the iPAQ 2215. I'd suggest taking a look @ Proporta's site for the latest pricing, but I seem to remember my wife paid about $50 for it, but that was a year or so ago. It's very sturdy aircraft-grade aluminum.

I'm not sure what you mean by a 'left hand' version, but this one's door opens opposite to what I'm used to. It opens from left to right (opposite from a book).

Sorry, there is no belt clip, nor any place to feed a belt through.

asims
09-30-2004, 09:01 PM
I'm not sure what you mean by a 'left hand' version, but this one's door opens opposite to what I'm used to. It opens from left to right (opposite from a book)

After posting, I got to thinking that my question was a little vague. You probably hold your PDA in your left hand and your stylus in your right. Being left-handed, I hold my stylus with my left hand. Having the case open to the right would seem to make it awkward to hold the PDA comfortably and safely in my right hand seeing that my thumb would be on the cover and not curled around the PDA. So I was wondering if they had a case that opened to the left.

But your answer to my fourth question sums it up for me. I am looking for a case that can be clipped to the belt. Thanks for pointing me in the direction of proporta.

lapchinj
10-11-2004, 06:56 PM
Nice... but no 5th row - no cash. :roll:

With all the people here being so opinionated as to wanting that 5th row you would think that the manufacturers would be ashamed to keep showing products that only have 4. Maybe we're not making enough noise. Besides like some other members asked what would be the big deal we're willing to pay for it (within reason).

Jeff-

bobbiejo
12-16-2004, 10:33 PM
Don,
I know this is totally off the subject, but I'm looking for a good carrying case and Figure 13 in your post shows yours. I have just a few questions:

1. Where did you get it?
2. How much did it cost?
3. Does it come in a left-handed version?
4. Can it be clipped to the belt?

It's not the case Don used, but Krusell makes some really great cases. The original "Handit" version is left or right-handed.... has several belt clips to choose from, &amp; costs about $30. At least mine did for my Dell Axim..... Check them out at www.krusell.se . From there you can find out where to buy them by e-mailing them for a local distributor. Or http://www.pcs-ltd.com/ for the United States....

Now for my question, I was so excited to be finally able to upgrade my pda, that I went on e-bay and bought the first keyboard that said it worked with it. My bad.... It's a Wireless IR Keyboard. When it's open, the bottom edge sticks up so it's next to impossible to hit the space bar (I'm a touch-typist). So now I'm a little leery. The keyboard I had before was the Targus and didn't have that problem. This keyboard sounds great. Is there that problem hitting the space bar on this one? Also, I understand this folds out into a full-size keyboard. Is that right?

asims
12-20-2004, 07:14 PM
Thanks bobbiejo for the krusell cases link. My last case was a Krusell and I liked it pretty much - the only issue I had with it was that when snapping the case closed the cover would sometimes push down on the main button. I overcame that by stretching the leather a little.