Pocket PC Passion Update

[Jason Dunn]

<i>"Well, I just got off the phone with Dale, and there is goods news and bad news. The bad news is that all attempts to recover Pocket PC Passion have failed. The good news is that he has the software guys busy putting together "Mobile Passion" a new site or sequel to Passion. It should show up on line in the next 2-3 weeks. It will be much like Passion with the forums linked to the front page. It will cover all things Windows Mobile including, PPCs, Smartphones, Windows Media Players, and whatever else may come along. So although all past history is gone the site will be back which should hopefully see the community build again."</i><br /><br />Dave Evans, a.k.a. Paragon, has posted that update in the forums, and I wanted to make it front page so that people would be updated on where Pocket PC Passion is at. This is great news - go get 'em Dale! :mrgreen:

[Chris Leckness]

That is a shame, there was a great deal of info archived there. Well good luck Dale, with the new site... and I will see you in a week or so at the Pocket PC User's Group meeting in Atlanta! ( http://www.pocketpcatlanta.com )

[Steven Cedrone]

Wow, does that mean all of the Dennis Wolfe archives are history as well???

Steve

[thanos255]

I guess that blows the concept of RAID for me :)

[Jonathan1]

I just don't get it. Did Dale's service provider only do ONE backup over the last 4 years?!?! And the restore failed?

I just don't understand how you lose EVERYTHING??? :cry:
All I can say is this sounds like a job for lawsuitman. Look up in the sky. Faster then a speeding legal brief. More powerful then OJ's defense team. Able to hurl damning evidence at the defendants at unheard of speeds. Its...well its just about any lawyer on the planet. I mean I'm assuming Dale had some agreement with the ISP and they screwed up. Unless there was some fine print it sounds pretty damning to me. *shrugs* But I'm not a lawyer. Which I consider a good thing. :)

[Jonathan1]

I guess that blows the concept of RAID for me :)


Well that is why most sane people who have mission critical apps and data don't simply rely on RAID. RAID is a good starting point, or a finishing point depending on the importance of the data it contains, but no one in their right mind will say that RAID is good enough esp when dealing with a website as old as Dale's. (Again what the heck was that provider thinking?) Bad things happen. That is why backups are just as important as a solid RAID system.

[thanos255]

(Again what the heck was that provider thinking?) Bad things happen. That is why backups are just as important as a solid RAID system.

With the amount of traffic and advertisers that Dale has, I would also agree that my lawyers would be getting a quick call from me.

In the end it would not happen again...because I would end up owning the whole damn place and making sure it gets done correctly :)

[Paragon]

One point I have to make here guys, especially for those who don't know Dale. It's not about law suites. It's not about placing blame. It's all about moving forward with what you have, in as positve a way as possible. I wish I was more like that. :)

There will soon be a new site, let's take it form there. Be cool. 8)

Dave

[Underwater Mike]

Wow, I'm just mourning all the lost knowledge. PPCP was the first PPC site I ever stumbled on, back when I bought one of the first iPAQs out. It helped me get over a bad case of Palm-itis. Hope everything goes smoothly for Dale's new venture.

[thanos255]

One point I have to make here guys, especially for those who don't know Dale. It's not about law suites. It's not about placing blame. It's all about moving forward with what you have, in as positve a way as possible. I wish I was more like that. :)

There will soon be a new site, let's take it form there. Be cool. 8)

Dave

I am not placing blame just for the sake of placing it. Someone screwed up....if you ignore that fact then it will happen again.

I agree about moving on....but how does the saying goes...those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.

[Ed Hansberry]

One point I have to make here guys, especially for those who don't know Dale. It's not about law suites. It's not about placing blame. It's all about moving forward with what you have, in as positve a way as possible. I wish I was more like that. :)

There will soon be a new site, let's take it form there. Be cool. 8)

Dave

I am not placing blame just for the sake of placing it. Someone screwed up....if you ignore that fact then it will happen again.

I agree about moving on....but how does the saying goes...those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Not filing lawsuits and pointing fingers does not equate to ignoring the past. For that, Dale would have to host his site with the same company that would still not perform backups.

I haven't seen anything to indicate that is the case.

[thanos255]

There is nothing, in my opinion wrong with healthy anger. I am NOT a firm believer in the whole 'stay calm, it is all alright. Just breath, etc"

But that is just me :)

[Paragon]

There is nothing, in my opinion wrong with healthy anger. I am NOT a firm believer in the whole 'stay calm, it is all alright. Just breath, etc"

But that is just me :)

thanos255,

I'm much the same as you, in fact *healthier* ;) Again, if you knew Dale you would know that he does not stay calm, but instead he channels that anger into positive action, yet learns from the past.

[lapchinj]

One point I have to make here guys, especially for those who don't know Dale. It's not about law suites. It's not about placing blame. It's all about moving forward with what you have, in as positive a way as possible. I wish I was more like that. :)

There will soon be a new site, let's take it form there. Be cool. 8)

Dave

I am not placing blame just for the sake of placing it. Someone screwed up....if you ignore that fact then it will happen again.

I agree about moving on....but how does the saying goes...those that ignore the past are doomed to repeat it.
Yeah. I think that we're all making the same point. In order that this shouldn’t happen again we have to identify the problems and the chain of events leading up to those problems. Even though we should move forward we still have to fix the problems. I’m sure that Dale will take the appropriate course of action.

I really didn't hear too many details about what happened to Dale's site except that it kept disappearing on me. (His site also happened to be my first after my Palm days.) I do know that over the past few years I've been depending on my RAID setup in combination with nightly backups for my dev work but the bits and pieces of what I'm reading here scares me.

Jeff-

[IanG]

Man, I'm sorry to hear PPCP is gone. For those wanting to reminisce.... http://web.archive.org/web/20010202080100/http://pocketpcpassion.com/

You can access Dennis Wolfe's pages through that link as well.

[Paragon]

Yeah. I think that we're all making the same point. In order that this shouldn’t happen again we have to identify the problems and the chain of events leading up to those problems.
Jeff-

Very good point!

[dequardo]

I'm much the same as you, in fact *healthier* ;) Again, if you knew Dale you would know that he does not stay calm, but instead he channels that anger into positive action, yet learns from the past.

er, perhaps not since this exact thing happened not more than a year ago.

[lapchinj]

Man, I'm sorry to hear PPCP is gone...
Down but not out :wink:

Jeff

[KimVette]

I'm glad Dale is getting a new site up. As nice as this site is, it's just not the same. When Dale's site comes back here, I'll probably keep up with this site as well since this seems to be a great bunch of people as well. :)

I'm disappointed that all of the old information from PocketPCPassion. There were a LOT of great threads on that board - a wealth of technical info, and great chemistry.

[Cybrid]

:twisted: I have to chime in here and say I do miss PPCPassion, as Kimvette mentioned "great chemistry". Those unfamiliar with my posts are probably wondering...??? Well, I'm one of those irritable curmudgeons that burns up threads.
Kim,
Nice to see you haven't been outsourced yet... :twisted:

[Paragon]

Well, I'm one of those irritable curmudgeons that burns up threads. :twisted:

Well, you got that right........Just kidding Cybrid. :-)

Dave

[Foo Fighter]

Sorry this happened to Dale. He's a nice guy.

On the other hand, if Dale is going use the logo I created for his site, which he never credited me for, rewarded me for, or acknowledgement as my work...it's hard to feel sympathy. Not to mention the logo was designed under a false pretence (it was submitted to be entered into a contest...which never took place). But I digress. :roll:

Anyway, hope the site goes back up soon. Pocket PC Passion is (was) a great site.

[stlbud]

Isn't this the second time Dale's site has been lost because of a server problem? My feeble memory tells me this has happened before and all the great information in the forums was lost forever.

It's disappointing. Dale has been a good proponent of Pocket PCs for a long time. I'm sorry he's having problems (again?).

Bill B.

[Ed Hansberry]

Isn't this the second time Dale's site has been lost because of a server problem? My feeble memory tells me this has happened before and all the great information in the forums was lost forever.No, but you may be thinking of PDABuzz.

[Steven Cedrone]

He lost a hard drive about a year or so ago IIRC...

Steve

[Paragon]

He lost a hard drive about a year or so ago IIRC...

Steve

Yup! You're right Steven. A little different circumstances this time but with similar results. That one only cost me about 2000 posts because some of the database was recoverable from a previous backup. This one cost me 5000. :(

Dave

[KimVette]

No, but you may be thinking of PDABuzz.

On the contrary: Dale has had multiple problems with the board over the years, with at least one crash, PLUS the Frontpage content management fragility issues.

[Ed Hansberry]

No, but you may be thinking of PDABuzz.

On the contrary: Dale has had multiple problems with the board over the years, with at least one crash, PLUS the Frontpage content management fragility issues.
But did he have a server crash that lost the entire site besides this recent one, as the question was originally asked?

[Foo Fighter]

...PLUS the Frontpage content management fragility issues.

Well that was his first mistake...using Frontpage to manage a web site is like tossing a hand grenade into a Nitro Glycerin warehouse. :roll:

[KimVette]

No, but you may be thinking of PDABuzz.

On the contrary: Dale has had multiple problems with the board over the years, with at least one crash, PLUS the Frontpage content management fragility issues.
But did he have a server crash that lost the entire site besides this recent one, as the question was originally asked?

How many times do you have to be told YES?
There was at least one crash prior to the current incident.

[Ed Hansberry]

No, but you may be thinking of PDABuzz.

On the contrary: Dale has had multiple problems with the board over the years, with at least one crash, PLUS the Frontpage content management fragility issues.
But did he have a server crash that lost the entire site besides this recent one, as the question was originally asked?

How many times do you have to be told YES?
There was at least one crash prior to the current incident.
Dale has lost his entire site twice? Ok...

[Don't Panic!]

If anyone is going to the Atlanta Pocket PC User Group meeting tonight they can ask him. Thee will be an authentic Dale sighting there. Microsoft is fotting the bill so expect good eats and stuff.

Don't Panic!
Bobby

[RLBorg]

Any updates on this?

PDA Avenue also had serious problems.

[Jason Dunn]

No updates other than it's still being worked on...

[Paragon]

Hi guys,

At the moment the software guys are rewriting the code to tie the front page to the forums. This was a very important feature for Passion as it is hear. Not much can be done till this is finished. As is usual with life....delays, delays, and more delays. That's about all I can know at the moment.

Dave

[jeffx]

why would anyone host with a company that doesn't run daily backups?? Why would any company provide hosting services without daily backups??? The idea just boggles my mind...who is/was this completely irresponsible hosting company and how can we make sure they don't victimize anyone else?

[Janak Parekh]

why would anyone host with a company that doesn't run daily backups??
Presumably because it adds to the cost. Most people don't realize how important backups are until their first major crash. In this case, though, Dale was under the impression backups were being done. He's not a server admin, so he took the ISP's word for it. :( I don't know who they are, but in any case, doing your own periodic backups are a good idea no matter which ISP you have.

--janak

[KimVette]

I miss PPCPassion and I've been meaning to email Dale but haven't had the chance. Dave, can you please tell Dale I said hello? Also, if he is having problems finding a host who does daily backups I can hook him up with a great host. It won't be cheap like Dreamhost but their support and technology is fantastic.

[griph]

Hi guys,

At the moment the software guys are rewriting the code to tie the front page to the forums. This was a very important feature for Passion as it is hear. Not much can be done till this is finished. As is usual with life....delays, delays, and more delays. That's about all I can know at the moment.

Dave

Dale's site has been down for months now. Surely if this was just software rewriting this would have been done by now. Is there access to any part of PPCPassion?